In any case, the Thargoid thing seems to know about the Guardians, so there obviously is a link between the two.
Yo,
[noob]
Yep, I'm convinced it is.
In any case, the Thargoid thing seems to know about the Guardians, so there obviously is a link between the two.
Yo,
[noob]
And this is all good. And everything that is tested that has no effect brings your theory closer and closer to being an acceptable fact, which is good.
And apologies if you took my earlier response as hate. It's not hate, it's exasperation and frustration.
I have to deal with that kind of thing at work EG people performing one test, or one fix and declaring a problem solved and the fix as a fact, but they have not done due diligence and it comes back to bite people in the .
It is right that we try a lot more things. By following the exact steps taken by the Lave Radio / Canonn team but with all sorts replacing the UL, EG Coffee, Consumer Goods, Sap8 Core Containers, Meta-Alloys, Tea, Gold, Sothis Gold (shameless plug) etc. If it reacts the same way to any of those then the notion that this is a specific reaction to Guardians is massively weakened. It's does not disprove that there is a past enmity, but to goes a long way to ruling out this specific machine having a Guardians specific reaction.
Or perhaps this machine has several possible reasons and we have seen only two. In that scenario we might miss vital information because we decided we had already seen everything there was to see and moved on.
But it is the declaration that 'this is now a fact' that vexes me. Because others take that up and start spreading those ideas. It's like the whole Klaxion/Oression (probably spelt wrong) thing. There is nothing in ED that I know of that supports this idea. It is entirely from old Elite and Oolite. Yet people throw it around as a given fact in ED. And it might be, but there needs to be proof first. (and if there is proof, please enducate me, I would be delighted).
Which brings me to me last point. This is the Canonn and the Canonn threads which are all about applying scientific method to in game mysteries. that means due diligence and testing. Not trying one thing to see if there might be a reaction, getting that reaction, and concluding your idea is fact. It might be, but it might not be. We need to test the theory much more thoroughly before declaring things as facts.
Nice photo,but look at anything in particular?
Just re-reading the Ancient Temple data from Dreamstate's excellent theories which postulate that the Thargoids started as an advanced biological AI (possibly combat orientated) created by the Guardians.I wouldn't say the relics were accepted after that reaction. But the interaction is definitely meant to tell us something about Thargoid tech and Guardian tech.
I wouldn't say the relics were accepted after that reaction. But the interaction is definitely meant to tell us something about Thargoid tech and Guardian tech.
If you scan the center of the device, it should reset; dropping whatever is currently being held by the tendrils.A thought occurs based on my failure to follow the simple instructions to get the machine working last night (which is why I started trying to cram other things down the chutes in the first place out of frustration), do we know of any way to get the UA/UP back from the machine if we place it in the wrong order?
I personally was so giddy about getting my UP, that I went into the machine room and placed it immediately. I then took my UA to the side chamber, and... nothing. No ULs came to me at all. I tried placing the UA on the floor near the devices to get a UL, but nothing. I assume you need both UA and UP in your cargo at the same time to generate the ULs, however, I couldn't find a way of retrieving those items which I had already placed in the machine.
I did notice that even though they're target-able when in the machine, the UA & UP aren't interact-able - if you fly at them with your cargo scoop open, you just clip through them. Shooting at them just passes through them as well.
So has anyone found a way to get them back from the machine before turning it on?
A thought occurs based on my failure to follow the simple instructions to get the machine working last night (which is why I started trying to cram other things down the chutes in the first place out of frustration), do we know of any way to get the UA/UP back from the machine if we place it in the wrong order?
I personally was so giddy about getting my UP, that I went into the machine room and placed it immediately. I then took my UA to the side chamber, and... nothing. No ULs came to me at all. I tried placing the UA on the floor near the devices to get a UL, but nothing. I assume you need both UA and UP in your cargo at the same time to generate the ULs, however, I couldn't find a way of retrieving those items which I had already placed in the machine.
I did notice that even though they're target-able when in the machine, the UA & UP aren't interact-able - if you fly at them with your cargo scoop open, you just clip through them. Shooting at them just passes through them as well.
So has anyone found a way to get them back from the machine before turning it on?
FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THAT'S GOOD IN THE WORLD FRONTIER DEVELOPMENTS, IF IT'S UNTENABLE FOR A PLAYER FACTION TO RUN THIS SORT OF CG BECAUSE OF IT'S TIE-INS TO STORY, DRAW THIS UP FOR PROF. PALIN TO RUN!
The reaction reminded me of playing "Operation" and hitting the walls trying to take pieces out. So many combinations to try if it accepts other Guardian parts.Even I, wrote "accepted" on the FP: that's because the Device at first seems to accept the Relics, that means that it puts them in place, inside those floating containers with beams, as it does with Artifacts and Probes and family.
Only after scanning it, it goes mad....![]()
A thought occurs based on my failure to follow the simple instructions to get the machine working last night (which is why I started trying to cram other things down the chutes in the first place out of frustration), do we know of any way to get the UA/UP back from the machine if we place it in the wrong order?
I personally was so giddy about getting my UP, that I went into the machine room and placed it immediately. I then took my UA to the side chamber, and... nothing. No ULs came to me at all. I tried placing the UA on the floor near the devices to get a UL, but nothing. I assume you need both UA and UP in your cargo at the same time to generate the ULs, however, I couldn't find a way of retrieving those items which I had already placed in the machine.
I did notice that even though they're target-able when in the machine, the UA & UP aren't interact-able - if you fly at them with your cargo scoop open, you just clip through them. Shooting at them just passes through them as well.
So has anyone found a way to get them back from the machine before turning it on?
The more I look at this site, the more I'm thinking there are multiple forms of life here. We've got all the spiky thargoid parts scattered about, we've got the "unknown" parts on the inside of the structure, and we've got the big dark blue space whale things. Several of the scanned messages seem to imply some clashing happening.
"Extensive stress fractures detected. Cause of fractures unknown. Unusual material lining the deviations."
One life for invading another? This message was found on the wall inside the central chamber. Might the unknown device be intruding on some previously established structure?
Also I've gotten messages that detect ammonia bonded molecular chains, and others that detect carbon bonded molecular chains. This pretty much confirms that everything on site isn't of the same origin right?
Edit: also the space whale things seem to have an outer skin that is a different texture than all the thargoid parts. It is more scaly like a fish, whereas the thargoid bits look a bit more like a crocodile. On the inside of the structure the material looks slightly different than any found on the outside so I'm not sure what to think of that.
Just re-reading the Ancient Temple data from Dreamstate's excellent theories which postulate that the Thargoids started as an advanced biological AI (possibly combat orientated) created by the Guardians.
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Highly recommend reviewing the Historic and Technological sections HERE.