Alien archeology and other mysteries: Thread 10 - The Canonn

[Wace]

Isn't this the decimal translation?:
542 / 6027
40 / 6027
47 / 46

Not sure where you get the Octal and Decimal from there. Might want to check the other two as well? (or maybe I'm just misunderstanding something, I dunno).

That is the octal translation (1 octal digit corresponds to 3 binary digits and is represented with numbers from 0 to 7 in decimal). There were some transcribing errors in the original.

The easiest way to get the decimal translation is to skip the octal and just convert the original binary into decimal directly: b010 010 -> b010010 -> 18.

 

[malenfant]

Converting the binary triplets to octal numbers (coincidentally 3 bits is all you need to express any digit 0-7) is what got sensible results out of the UP chitters. To clarify, I'm not transcribing the binary into decimal. That wouldn't work, because 3 bits isn't enough to express all digits 0-9. I'm transcribing it into octal and then converting that octal into decimal, because I (and others, I imagine) don't find it easy to work and think in octal.

Ah OK. Hopefully I've not muddied the waters then!

 

[Saool]

If we assume for a second the the symbols on the images are for the UP, UA and UI eg:

--l -l- -ll

There are four on the old image. And if, again we assume the l-- and --l are still both just UAs...

Has anyone tried dropping 2 UAs, 1 UP and 1 UL together in space? (and maybe then honking the lot together)?

 

[Volimar]

We're all like Brent Spiner's character in Independence Day giddy with excitement at all the new developments, while the Feddies are the president all upset because their people are dying.

 

[CMDR Codexghost]

Would those numbers make any sense on galactic grid?

I posted this earlier, but if you consider that above 1 = positive below 1 = negative, you can pull coordinates out. It's a question of how far to move the decimal and if this method actually makes sense.

For the first set the listed coords would be potentially -1195, -155, 185 - nearest system is Synuefai QS-D b59-4. I'm headed there now, although I really doubt it's anything.

 

[Wace]

Fair question. I assume it because that's how the UPs worked.

Is it? My own notes (http://jubjubnest.net/~wace/elite/), which are transcribed using 'H' for 'high' and 'L' for 'low' would show the 'L' is what corresponded to '1'.

 

[CookieJarviz]

To be fair we've been wondering that since we first discovered the UA did it a couple of years ago

Wow has it really been that long...

I like to think the thargoids are trying to communicate with us. Kinda why after you have "activated" the room the goid comes down scans us and leaves. like its "Ok good. can you do the next part?"

And wow... it really has been that long. I feel old.

 

[Ozric]

I'm transcribing it into octal and then converting that octal into decimal, because I (and others, I imagine) don't find it easy to work and think in octal.

Just what a Thargoid would say to throw us off the scent

 

[EAGLE 5]

Looking at the two central circles on the spectogram.

They follow the same pattern as the compass on our ships, even down to the grid pattern.


The bottom one has a solid circle in the centre. On our ships a solid circle indicates target is in front of you.

The top circle has a hollow circle within the centre which is used to indicate an object behind you.

I'm very much in agreement of this with one caveat... if this system works on old methods (The original Elite way of doing things) Then it only referenced a star and the planet it orbited not all different sorts of targets we can select. I know in the Amiga elite the dot turning red was aimed at the star and turning green at the planet... I think that's the equivalent of full dot vs circle.


Also another theory this could mean the galactic plane as when you look at your galaxy map with gridlines on and zoom in until it is flat. I had started looking at star patters to try and determine if the "system" on the right was indeed a system diagram (which would indicate 10 stars in a system or 1 star with 9 rocky planets) or on a broader context a star system seen on the galactic plane with the gridlines turn on and you have to align the stars just right to get that pattern.


Theories theories theories....

 

[ebbrell]

I like to think the thargoids are trying to communicate with us. Kinda why after you have "activated" the room the goid comes down scans us and leaves. like its "Ok good. can you do the next part?"

And wow... it really has been that long. I feel old.

FDEV did say our interaction will define how thing pan out... maybe all good commas at this point

 

[Starke Hathaway]

Is it? My own notes (http://jubjubnest.net/~wace/elite/), which are transcribed using 'H' for 'high' and 'L' for 'low' would show the 'L' is what corresponded to '1'.

You might be right. I did those transcriptions with (.) for low and (-) for high, but I don't have those notes any more. I thought I remembered that highs were 1, but could be wrong.

At any rate you are right about the transcription errors. Fixing those now.

 

[Vasco Sapien]

If we assume for a second the the symbols on the images are for the UP, UA and UI eg:

--l -l- -ll

There are four on the old image. And if, again we assume the l-- and --l are still both just UAs...

Has anyone tried dropping 2 UAs, 1 UP and 1 UL together in space? (and maybe then honking the lot together)?

From the new spectrogram image i figured that once the 3 Unknown items had been put into the machine, they have been programmed. Deploy them in orbit of the planet with the Alien structure (they where programmed on) and see where they each point in space. Like the UA once pointed at Merope

Use line of sight to find the stars being pointed at. The UL should always point end to end at the UP and the UA.
The --l -l- -ll i figured was binary for 1.2.3. like it was with the last spectrogram. so maybe an order of operation.

Im curious about the two Flowership icons in the new spectrogram.... the assumption is that it is of a flowership, but what if it is not. I was thinking the Unknown Upload devices we see around the alien base. The number of star spires is the same, i checked.. They cannot be removed from the wall. but maybe we are meant to find more Unknown Upload links at the target systems shown in the middle of the new spectrogram and we use the programmed UA/UP with it somehow.. it uploads a new clue.

 

[Ozric]

Just thought I'd share my recording of the UL in HIP 14909, 4,600Ls into Deep Space, in an Asp Explorer. Note how there is no chittering after the first message!

Spoiler

[video=youtube_share;J2je7g77FMY]https://youtu.be/J2je7g77FMY[/video]

Edit - It has been pointed out that maybe it's a cone projection and I was just too close (but I'm right in front of it ). Ecthelion's video from earlier would support this as they were around 50m away, but much more off centre than I and it was louder.

 

[JesusRocks1988]

Wow... I've been trying to decode the "morse" from the angry reaction and I honestly can't even see what's going on to transcribe it. I can tell some of the things are obviously dashes and obviously dots, but not everything is the same length. There's bits where I can't tell if it's a dash or a dot-dash because even slowing the video down it pulses too quickly.

When I got through it transcribing what I could, I then realised I don't actually know morse well enough (at all) to be able to visually pick out letters. I tried, but I ended up with a random jumble of letters that made no sense.

And honestly each time I go back through it, I get something different!

/disgruntled

 

[M. Volgrand]

I'm no expert but this certainly looks like Morse code to me:

https://youtu.be/uT7t2AqJPTA



This would also explain why the Ancient Relic event goes on for ~5 minutes. I think we need to get a full recording of the event and get it transcribed.

(The speed of the video has been slowed down a bit as I was messing around with the footage in Premiere Pro).

EDIT: If it's not Morse code, then it might be some other type of pattern. Doesn't look random though...

I'm doing my best to decrypt it, but if it is morse Code I am not skilled enough to actually get the message. Considering that Morse Code has a very clear pattern (divided in time units, 1 for dots, 3 for dashes, 1 for spaces and 7 to separate words) the alien structure doesn't seem to be following it.

 

[Objectum]

Am i right that the Relic is the only guardian device to have an affect so far and that it will only swap out with Unknown link in the machine load sequence.

The specrtogram suggests that the Unknown link is a link between the UP and the UA over distance and if the above is correct, that then suggests that the Relic is also a link device of somekind (which is why the machine accepts it in place of the UL)... maybe they where used to network the different monolith sites together. as aerials.

I tried an Unknown Link, Relic and Casket tonight, it worked.

 

[M. Volgrand]

Wow... I've been trying to decode the "morse" from the angry reaction and I honestly can't even see what's going on to transcribe it. I can tell some of the things are obviously dashes and obviously dots, but not everything is the same length. There's bits where I can't tell if it's a dash or a dot-dash because even slowing the video down it pulses too quickly.

When I got through it transcribing what I could, I then realised I don't actually know morse well enough (at all) to be able to visually pick out letters. I tried, but I ended up with a random jumble of letters that made no sense.

/disgruntled

Same there. In my opinion there is something in there, but it is not morse.

 

[Painbeaver]

I like to think the thargoids are trying to communicate with us. Kinda why after you have "activated" the room the goid comes down scans us and leaves. like its "Ok good. can you do the next part?"
And wow... it really has been that long. I feel old.

Or it's more likely just a scout that flew to check what the hell we are doing at their wreck site, saw that we are a bunch of a-holes and flew back to its mothership with report. And now they are deciding what to do - kill us all or enslave some.

 

[malenfant]

Same there. In my opinion there is something in there, but it is not morse.

What if it's Trinary? Threes seem to come up a lot here.

Then there'd be three pulse lengths - Short, Medium, Long?

 

[Zambrick]

I tried an Unknown Link, Relic and Casket tonight, it worked.

And what did it do?