Alien archeology and other mysteries: Thread 10 - The Canonn

EAGLE 5 · Jun 29, 2017

The trail of systems

Alright so I've spent a bit of time on the new image that is embedded in the latest alien soundbyte and decided to approach the investigation from a navigational standpoint since folks out there were trying to figure out the math...

What I got is this: We have two systems Merope on the left and some other important system which is either a 10 star system or a star system with 9 rocky planet two of which are tidally locked.... Looking back at the old Frontier Elite 2 and FFE it resembles Polaris with the except that there are gas giants one of which has rings and in keeping with the imagery of Merope that doesn't fit... So I started looking around and I got the crazy idea... what if the three line shaped images were actually a trail to the other systems I'm talking about --| -|- and -||. Some are working out the potential octal math issue there which is good but I have a different idea.

Basically it's this:

(System 1: Merope) (System 2: --|) (Sytem 3: -|-) (System 4: -||) (System 5: ????)

After looking around the map and putting Merope to the left and looking to the right of it I ran into this:

CELAENO features two planet split in the middle by an asteroid belt.... -|- Can the answer be this simple? I went back to Celaeno to look around and I ran into this:

trail%20of%20systems%20relay%20station.jpg

(I also like how the target image for the relay station look... very similar to -|-)

and closer

Basically out of nowhere a huge relay station (listening station)...I got some very real threats of bodily harm just for showing up which leads me to think this is not supposed to be common knowledge (and it being off the grid until you get there).

Now I'm sure coincidences happen but you can't deny the fact that 1. the layout of the system matches the alien image and 2. (probably even more interesting) it looks like our Thargoid friends may have picked up on our unlisted relay station / spy installation and are now using potentially ULs to listen in on it?

I'll continue down this path if anyone wants to help that would probably expedite things since I have to scan a few places to get maps.

malenfant · Jun 29, 2017

I think it's pretty obvious that the --|, -|-, and -|| are binary for 1,2,3 (001, 010, and 011).

Hfarl · Jun 29, 2017

It's already well established that the "--|" "-|-" and "-||" represent the numbers 1, 2, 3 in binary. That's how the spectrogram from the Unknown Probe worked, so there isn't (yet) any reason to expect the new spectrogram should be interpreted any differently.

[EDIT] Ooops, ninja'd

uncreativecat · Jun 29, 2017

So here's my silly question for all this: has anyone been hyperdicted while carrying guardian relics? They have to be looking for *something* with those scans.

M. Volgrand · Jun 29, 2017

EAGLE 5 said:
Alright so I've spent a bit of time on the new image that is embedded in the latest alien soundbyte and decided to approach the investigation from a navigational standpoint since folks out there were trying to figure out the math...

What I got is this: We have two systems Merope on the left and some other important system which is either a 10 star system or a star system with 9 rocky planet two of which are tidally locked.... Looking back at the old Frontier Elite 2 and FFE it resembles Polaris with the except that there are gas giants one of which has rings and in keeping with the imagery of Merope that doesn't fit... So I started looking around and I got the crazy idea... what if the three line shaped images were actually a trail to the other systems I'm talking about --| -|- and -||. Some are working out the potential octal math issue there which is good but I have a different idea.

http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r176/EAGLE_5_shares/ELITE DANGEROUS/trail of systems.jpg

Basically it's this:

(System 1: Merope) (System 2: --|) (Sytem 3: -|-) (System 4: -||) (System 5: ????)

After looking around the map and putting Merope to the left and looking to the right of it I ran into this:

http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r176/EAGLE_5_shares/ELITE DANGEROUS/trail of systems midpoint.jpg

CELAENO features two planet split in the middle by an asteroid belt.... -|- Can the answer be this simple? I went back to Celaeno to look around and I ran into this:

http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/... DANGEROUS/trail of systems relay station.jpg

(I also like how the target image for the relay station look... very similar to -|-)

and closer

http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r176/EAGLE_5_shares/ELITE%20DANGEROUS/trail%20of%20systems%20bad%20things.jpg

Basically out of nowhere a huge relay station (listening station)...I got some very real threats of bodily harm just for showing up which leads me to think this is not supposed to be common knowledge (and it being off the grid until you get there).

Now I'm sure coincidences happen but you can't deny the fact that 1. the layout of the system matches the alien image and 2. (probably even more interesting) it looks like our Thargoid friends may have picked up on our unlisted relay station / spy installation and are now using potentially ULs to listen in on it?

I'll continue down this path if anyone wants to help that would probably expedite things since I have to scan a few places to get maps.

Ladies and gentlemen, this theory deserves more attention. It is so simple that it might actually be the right answer!

Kaltern · Jun 29, 2017

uncreativecat said:
So here's my silly question for all this: has anyone been hyperdicted while carrying guardian relics? They have to be looking for *something* with those scans.

Well if someone has yet to visit the unknown device, it would be well worth trying that out - go to the device with your UA/UP, go drop them in the device room. Go back to your ship, grab a guardian artifact and take it into the device room. Activate it in the normal way, without using any Guardian Artifacts of course. Once you have seen the starmap, and you have the scanned message, make sure you have the guardian artifact in your SRV, then head outside. You should then have a flowership encounter, scanned as you would be in a hyperdiction... see what happens....

M. Volgrand · Jun 29, 2017

uncreativecat said:
So here's my silly question for all this: has anyone been hyperdicted while carrying guardian relics? They have to be looking for *something* with those scans.

There were many reports of hyperdictions with different objects from the ruins before the last update. No new behaviour was observed.

Kaltern · Jun 29, 2017

M. Volgrand said:
Ladies and gentlemen, this theory deserves more attention. It is so simple that it might actually be the right answer!

I was just looking at the UP SP symbols. The -|| had that extra (( like a transmission symbol. I wonder if -|| is referring to the system as mentioned above, and perhaps a UP is required for some reason.

I might go see if I can find this new station too... I just happen to have a UP on board...

CMDR Dreamstate · Jun 29, 2017

LOL!

Watch this one all the way through...

[video=youtube_share;8GE6IKSxugw]https://youtu.be/8GE6IKSxugw[/video]

When it goes black, keep watching and listening.

I tried to interfere with the beam, and it makes awfully strange noises when doing so...

Question is, what would happen if something, like a Relic, get thrown into the beam? Would anything happen?

But yeah... It went dark because it crashed ^^ Had to log out of my windows account and then log back in because it was that non-responsive!

LordZoltan · Jun 29, 2017

All this great stuff going on, and here I am only just getting my invites from Qwent, Ram Tah and Zacariah Nemo! Palin is only a few grinds away...

Those three sets of distances... specifically the two which match exactly on the second item... that smells of fish.

I'm about to go to bed, but it doesn't seem likely to me that two systems could be different distances away from points #1 + #3 but the same distance from #2 - unless the two locations in question lay on the boundary described by a perfect sphere around #2.

It is possible - but is it really likely?

LordZoltan · Jun 29, 2017

EAGLE 5 said:
Alright so I've spent a bit of time on the new image that is embedded in the latest alien soundbyte and decided to approach the investigation from a navigational standpoint since folks out there were trying to figure out the math...

What I got is this: We have two systems Merope on the left and some other important system which is either a 10 star system or a star system with 9 rocky planet two of which are tidally locked.... Looking back at the old Frontier Elite 2 and FFE it resembles Polaris with the except that there are gas giants one of which has rings and in keeping with the imagery of Merope that doesn't fit... So I started looking around and I got the crazy idea... what if the three line shaped images were actually a trail to the other systems I'm talking about --| -|- and -||. Some are working out the potential octal math issue there which is good but I have a different idea.

http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r176/EAGLE_5_shares/ELITE DANGEROUS/trail of systems.jpg

Basically it's this:

(System 1: Merope) (System 2: --|) (Sytem 3: -|-) (System 4: -||) (System 5: ????)

After looking around the map and putting Merope to the left and looking to the right of it I ran into this:

http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r176/EAGLE_5_shares/ELITE DANGEROUS/trail of systems midpoint.jpg

CELAENO features two planet split in the middle by an asteroid belt.... -|- Can the answer be this simple? I went back to Celaeno to look around and I ran into this:

http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/... DANGEROUS/trail of systems relay station.jpg

(I also like how the target image for the relay station look... very similar to -|-)

and closer

http://i144.photobucket.com/albums...ITE DANGEROUS/trail of systems bad things.jpg

Basically out of nowhere a huge relay station (listening station)...I got some very real threats of bodily harm just for showing up which leads me to think this is not supposed to be common knowledge (and it being off the grid until you get there).

Now I'm sure coincidences happen but you can't deny the fact that 1. the layout of the system matches the alien image and 2. (probably even more interesting) it looks like our Thargoid friends may have picked up on our unlisted relay station / spy installation and are now using potentially ULs to listen in on it?

I'll continue down this path if anyone wants to help that would probably expedite things since I have to scan a few places to get maps.

well it's either getting somewhere close to a solution, or a very interesting set of coincidences - +rep

Hfarl · Jun 29, 2017

CMDR Codexghost said:
Ok - so here's what I get:

Set 1 (old)
Distance Merope: 136.749
Distance ???: 27.001
Distance Col 70: 836.16

Set 2 (mid)
Distance Merope: 125.424
Distance ???: 27.001
Col 70: 823.095

Set 3 (new)
Distance Merope: 131.521
Distance ???: 34.84
Distance Col 70: 816.127

Using 871 as the distance from Merope to Col 70.

Well, using my very rudimentary CAD skills I can confirm that all three sets produce a pair of overlapping spheres (it's a pair because we only have two reference locations so far: Merope and the Col 70 system). But at least I can confirm each of the three sets overlap, which gives a circle of space for each.

I'd say it looks promising that these are indeed distances to use for trilateration.

Han Zulu · Jun 29, 2017

ape808 said:
Just repeating this method, has worked twice for me so far:

Pleiades sector kc-u b3-1 , planet 8

Fly into the frame of reference (where the planet shows as your current location), slow down a bit an loop round until a USS appears

If it is not Degraded Signal source (threat 2) then head away from planet into Deep Space, and repeat.

I think leaving the planet's frame of reference resets the RNG roll. First attempt got one after 5 or so tries, second attempt got it after 2 tries.

Theories on having to be at a set distantce seem to be bunk - first spawned at 28Mm, 2nd at 13Mm.

Hope that helps, although maybe I'm just lucky.

Tried it now for an hour. Got 2 USS degraded emissions [0] only so far. Dang this is annoying. I wish there was an autopilot that could search for USS for me. This takes 100% focus, and it's so easy to fall asleep. Tried to get the UP this morning for 3-4 hours. No luck (actually, I did get the USS once but screwed up, so I have to get another). Jumped between 5 systems too so far.

Not giving up though... never give up, never surrender.

=-= EDIT

FINALLLYYYYY!!! Just when I decided to jump to another system, it showed up. At 18.9 Mm, in P.S. KC-U B3-1/8

It took a little over 1 hour.

Bioann · Jun 29, 2017

CMDR Codexghost said:
Ok - so here's what I get:

Set 1 (old)
Distance Merope: 136.749
Distance ???: 27.001
Distance Col 70: 836.16

Set 2 (mid)
Distance Merope: 125.424
Distance ???: 27.001
Col 70: 823.095

Set 3 (new)
Distance Merope: 131.521
Distance ???: 34.84
Distance Col 70: 816.127

Using 871 as the distance from Merope to Col 70.

For the set 1 (old), asuming that the second system for the coordinates is the one at the origin of the unknown link ( HIP 14909 )
we have : Mel 22 sector ZU-P C5-1
I will try to locate the other set as soon as possible.
Fly safe

Codger · Jun 29, 2017

Han Zulu said:
Tried it now for an hour. Got 2 USS degraded emissions [0] only so far. Dang this is annoying. I wish there was an autopilot that could search for USS for me. This takes 100% focus, and it's so easy to fall asleep. Tried to get the UP this morning for 3-4 hours. No luck (actually, I did get the USS once but screwed up, so I have to get another). Jumped between 5 systems too so far.

Not giving up though... never give up, never surrender.

Same with me today. I tried the ape808 method. I rarely saw *any* USS. It was quite frustrating. I finally got one after about 5 hours of trying. They are a bit too rare, I think.

CMDR Codexghost · Jun 29, 2017

LordZoltan said:
All this great stuff going on, and here I am only just getting my invites from Qwent, Ram Tah and Zacariah Nemo! Palin is only a few grinds away...

Those three sets of distances... specifically the two which match exactly on the second item... that smells of fish.

I'm about to go to bed, but it doesn't seem likely to me that two systems could be different distances away from points #1 + #3 but the same distance from #2 - unless the two locations in question lay on the boundary described by a perfect sphere around #2.

It is possible - but is it really likely?

Hfarl said:
Well, using my very rudimentary CAD skills I can confirm that all three sets produce a pair of overlapping spheres (it's a pair because we only have two reference locations so far: Merope and the Col 70 system). But at least I can confirm each of the three sets overlap, which gives a circle of space for each.

I'd say it looks promising that these are indeed distances to use for trilateration.

I agree on both counts. The exact 2nd number in set 1 & 2 stands out as especially strange. However, the distance results otherwise are close enough to known systems (such as HIP 14909) that they still pretty plausible.

Hfarl · Jun 29, 2017

Bioann said:
For the set 1 (old), asuming that the second system for the coordinates is the one at the origin of the unknown link ( HIP 14909 )
we have : Mel 22 sector ZU-P C5-1
I will try to locate the other set as soon as possible.
Fly safe

Good call! I'm not sure why I didn't think of using HIP 14909 as the missing reference point.

Though eyeballing it for the third set, it doesn't look like all three spheres intersect. It's close, but it doesn't quite work.
[EDIT] Wait, no, all three totally DO intersect! I'd just typoed the radius earlier.

Phylo · Jun 29, 2017

MadDogMurdock said:
I followed the Hip 16378 Listening Post to Bhadaba.

The was another listening post there with the:
"I've found something big..." spiel
But I think that one is the first in the chain leading to HIP 16378.

The only clue is the distress call he talks about in orbit of HIP 16378 3B.
I've flown over the planet in OC at between 50-80km but nothing so far.

Actually, the first part of that chain might be the news story in the Maia Herald, Obsidian Orbital. In it his wife has reported him missing and people are looking for him.

CMDR Codexghost · Jun 29, 2017

Hfarl said:
Good call! I'm not sure why I didn't think of using HIP 14909 as the missing reference point.

Though eyeballing it for the third set, it doesn't look like all three spheres intersect. It's close, but it doesn't quite work.
[EDIT] Wait, no, all three totally DO intersect! I'd just typoed the radius earlier.

Nice work Bioann!

I tested HIP 14909 initially but only with the 3rd set and it did not work - set 1 definitely does.

Daedalus_Dash · Jun 29, 2017

Unknown link chirp

https://youtu.be/k3p1AKnieto

Assuming:
--| = 1
-|- = 2
-|| = 3
|-- = 4
|-| = 5
||- = 6
||| = 7
; = 8? Or break?

-|- -|- ||| ; --| ||| |-| --- growl --| ; -|| --| pause
--| ||- |-| --| ; --| ||| |-| ---

2 2 7 ; 1 7 5 0 growl 1 ; 3 1 pause 1 6 5 1 ; 1 7 5 0

The ; refers to the single sound in the recording. Could this mean 8? The UP used octal numbering right?

Sorry if I've been ninjad, keeping up with the thread is mighty hard!

Edit: Yeah ninjad AF