Alien archeology and other mysteries: Thread 10 - The Canonn

[CookieJarviz]

Threat 9?

Did you mistype? Or is that an actual thing?

What he/she said

 

[JesusRocks1988]

Okay... I've just read the last 9 pages since waking up this morning, and I can't tell why people are talking about a Mel Sector system? What's the connection here?

 

[Becks]

Lol, edited.

Alright, thanks

 

[Ace Homfoil]

Also, after about a half hour of checking the ammonia world, unable to confirm any probe spawns. Only seen UAs and Degraded Emissions Threat 9 (Scarcely).

EDIT: Threat 0... lol

That's a Gas Giant, not an ammonia world.

 

[Vendetta x77]

Okay... I've just read the last 9 pages since waking up this morning, and I can't tell why people are talking about a Mel Sector system? What's the connection here?

Judging by what has been found after hours of investigating.... maybe nothing. It spawns UAs like crazy in places they've never spawned before though, but a few pages back, some math was used to find spheres of some sort and they intersected here, and the UA spawns left people thinking how odd that led to a system with the most UAs spawns ever seen in game. (Smarter people than me did the math stuff, I am not going to disservice them by trying to explain it.)

That's a Gas Giant, not an ammonia world.

Ammonia life on it though, is what I meant. Was just searching it for the fack of it, nothing else has turned up, was worth a shot.

Edit: Fixed the post though, thanks for the correction, don't want to confuse people.
Edit 2: spelling.

 

[fieval]

That's a Gas Giant, not an ammonia world.

Yes, is it common for UA's to spawn around a planetary body? (I thought that was a UP thing?)
I have only ever found them in deep space (cruising out several hundred LY from the main star)
I was surprised to find them in low orbit around a Gas Giant.

 

[Ace Homfoil]

UPs have only been found around ammonia worlds so far. UAs are anywhere. Also still found 4 UAs in the last 5 minutes.

 

[Vendetta x77]

Yes, is it common for UA's to spawn around a planetary body? (I thought that was a UP thing?)
I have only ever found them in deep space (cruising out several hundred LY from the main star)
I was surprised to find them in low orbit around a Gas Giant.

I have never seen any in orbits (the other folks here are more experience and will correct me if I am wrong. <3) but have found SEVERAL in orbit here and many falling to the planet in low orbit.
Haven't found any in LOW orbit of the gas giant, just on the outskirts of the ring system there.

 

[Muetdhiver]

I flew around it for a little while a couple nights ago. I'm probably gonna return and try and do a circle around the planet every 10 degrees of latitude. Though if there is a large wreckage site there, that brings the old question back: WHY Merope 5c [blah]

Why are you assuming the high frequency segments are binary '1's and the low frequency ones are binary '0's?

Flipping the '1's and '0's around gives the following ratios:

Spoiler

157 : 1000 = 0.157
31  : 1000 = 0.031
24  : 25   = 0.960
18  : 125  = 0.144
31  : 1000 = 0.031
189 : 200  = 0.945
151 : 1000 = 0.151
1   : 25   = 0.040
937 : 1000 = 0.937

Back when I was working with the unknown probe distances, I remember the aliens liking 'clean' ratios of 1000.

That is indeed correct. The denominator is always a neat number.

So if I get this right there is only one transmission. (The above one) ?

And : nice to see you wace

 

[Jmanis]

Who decoded that one.. can we ask them to look at this one also

That'd be me

Remember the original UA morse? And how difficult it was to persuade most of us it was actually morse? After that we referred to it as stylized morse. It took a certain kind of mind to decode it. Certainly not mine.

Wow... I've been trying to decode the "morse" from the angry reaction and I honestly can't even see what's going on to transcribe it. I can tell some of the things are obviously dashes and obviously dots, but not everything is the same length. There's bits where I can't tell if it's a dash or a dot-dash because even slowing the video down it pulses too quickly.

When I got through it transcribing what I could, I then realised I don't actually know morse well enough (at all) to be able to visually pick out letters. I tried, but I ended up with a random jumble of letters that made no sense.

And honestly each time I go back through it, I get something different!

/disgruntled

I'm no expert but this certainly looks like Morse code to me:

This would also explain why the Ancient Relic event goes on for ~5 minutes. I think we need to get a full recording of the event and get it transcribed.

(The speed of the video has been slowed down a bit as I was messing around with the footage in Premiere Pro).

EDIT: If it's not Morse code, then it might be some other type of pattern. Doesn't look random though...

I made the claim about the UA stylized morse... but you have to remember the context of that statement is that proper morse is typically a single tone pattern, which is not the case for UA morse. It still has to fit a uniform pattern of some description which *critically* has a time delimiter component. This time delimiter underpinned what I'd call the "smoking barrel" for the UA morse. This is crucial to delimit characters and words.

The only real delimiter is the periodic pulse, but if that's the delimiter, there are too many "symbols" between each pulse. I would strongly suggest this is much like the apparent morse (lens flare) when being scanned by the thargoids, and just a random looped effect.

It's very easy for anything to "look like" morse, because notwithstanding the timing delimiter, it's identical to binary, which can ostensibly represent anything.

 

[rizal72]

It somewhat works with the last one as well. The problem is the middle one as I was searching the galaxy map (or whatever exists in edsm) for suitable planets, HIP 14909 kept popping up as a candidate for both the first and last bits of coordinates. However I couldn't find a system that would fit the middle bits of coordinates. The best I could come up with is:

(The percentage is the error as a percentage of the Col70-Merope distance)

First group: Mel 22 Sector ZU-P c5-1
------------------------------------
Merope:     136.580083 (-0.02%)
HIP 14909:   26.941161 (-0.007%)
Col 70:     836.592905 (+0.05%)


Second group: Mel 22 Sector NX-U d2-33
--------------------------------------
Merope:     127.697097 (+0.2%)
HIP 14909:   28.109822 (+0.1%)
Col70:      825.827712 (+0.3%)


Third group: Mel 22 Sector NX-U d2-27
-------------------------------------
Merope:     131.181898 (-0.04%)
HIP 14909:   34.739277 (-0.01%)
Col70:      816.147941 (+0.0004%)

The 0.1-0.3 % error doesn't seem that high until you consider the fact that the Link is able to specify coordinates within 1/1000th (0.1%) of Col70-Merope distance - thus the error should never be larger than +/- 0.05%.

If the probe was measuring distances from Mel 22 d2-33, this would result in the following fractions:

Merope:    127.697097 / 871.018424 = 0.1466 = 147 / 1000, actual 144 / 1000 (represented as 18 / 125)
HIP 14909:  28.109822 / 871.018424 = 0.0323 =  32 / 1000, actual  31 / 1000
Col70:     825.827713 / 871.018424 = 0.9481 = 948 / 1000, actual 945 / 1000 (represented as 189 / 200)

Don't suppose there exists an unmapped system within couple of light years from d2-33?

Now, everytime there is real Science to do, here you are Wace
Amazing work, that's what I meant with "We need a true scientist now"....

+REP

 

[Jorki Rasalas]

Would just like to add, if it wasn't already known, that it's more than just the Ancient Relic you can add to the Thargon Device.
http://imgur.com/a/VxtUr
You can add the Ancient:
-Totem
-Tablet
-Casket
Adding these 3 will result in the device glowing orange. It does nothing more until you scan it with your SRV. Doing so produces the same orange beam of doom you get from the relic. Here's a 20s clip of me showing exactly this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UaR8fajm-88&feature=youtu.be

Only guardian tech here, and a human scan. It seems the thargoids don't like ANYTHING to do with the guardians...

We are getting to the point where there is sufficient supporting evidence to say this hypothesis is now proven, but let's not jump to conclusions. More specifically the Thargoid UD does not accept Guardian technology has been proven; which might suggest some antipathy between the races, but it might just indicate one uses Metric threads and the other Imperial

 

[Vendetta x77]

We are getting to the point where there is sufficient supporting evidence to say this hypothesis is now proven, but let's not jump to conclusions. More specifically the Thargoid UD does not accept Guardian technology has been proven; which might suggest some antipathy between the races, but it might just indicate one uses Metric threads and the other Imperial

The Thargoid relics use some awesomely advanced fackstick amazeballs programming language and the Guardian relics use Javascript, the Thargoid machine is like GET THAT OUTTA HERE, WE DO REAL PROGRAMMING HERE.

 

[TheHavoc]

We are getting to the point where there is sufficient supporting evidence to say this hypothesis is now proven, but let's not jump to conclusions. More specifically the Thargoid UD does not accept Guardian technology has been proven; which might suggest some antipathy between the races, but it might just indicate one uses Metric threads and the other Imperial

So it would be interesting if the same happens when inserting ONE human "relic" (or any "harmless" commodity that has technical properties like for example superconductors) to the device.

 

[Nagual]

We are getting to the point where there is sufficient supporting evidence to say this hypothesis is now proven, but let's not jump to conclusions. More specifically the Thargoid UD does not accept Guardian technology has been proven; which might suggest some antipathy between the races, but it might just indicate one uses Metric threads and the other Imperial

Indeed, it may just be a safety feature that tries to kill anyone stupid enough not to follow basic instructions, therefor a danger to the structure and themselves..

 

[Jorki Rasalas]

That looks better.

If it follows the 'old' system from the UP, we are looking for something relatively close to Merope.

If 1 is still the distance between Merope and Col 70 Sector FY-N c21-3 Then the first number gives the distance to Merope and the third to Col 70 Sector FY-N c21-3.

Second number is tricky though.

Maybe breakfast coffee is beginning to wake up the grey cells but I've had a thought. Possibly the UD spectogram is an invitation to a diplomatic meeting between Thargoids and Humans, the representation of a system from each (Merope and Sol) coming to a common point? Just a thought!

 

[Vendetta x77]

Maybe breakfast coffee is beginning to wake up the grey cells but I've had a thought. Possibly the UD spectogram is an invitation to a diplomatic meeting between Thargoids and Humans, the representation of a system from each (Merope and Sol) coming to a common point? Just a thought!

Not a crazy idea, I always found it weird that the Thargoid artifacts communicate in such human ways that we can easily interpret. Fdev says they want them to be truly alien. Communicating in binary and spectrogram audio stuff doesn't give that impression, but at least with your theory it kinda of makes sense, they're all like "Lets see if these dumb flesh monkies can figure this out, if they can, maybe we give em a chance at the Galactic (or Universal) table, maybe they have something to offer."

 

[LordZoltan]

Maybe breakfast coffee is beginning to wake up the grey cells but I've had a thought. Possibly the UD spectogram is an invitation to a diplomatic meeting between Thargoids and Humans, the representation of a system from each (Merope and Sol) coming to a common point? Just a thought!

I get a sudden rush of optimism when tucking into my first pint of coffee in the morning too

 

[CmdrZaratan]

It somewhat works with the last one as well. The problem is the middle one as I was searching the galaxy map (or whatever exists in edsm) for suitable planets, HIP 14909 kept popping up as a candidate for both the first and last bits of coordinates. However I couldn't find a system that would fit the middle bits of coordinates. The best I could come up with is:

(The percentage is the error as a percentage of the Col70-Merope distance)

First group: Mel 22 Sector ZU-P c5-1
------------------------------------
Merope:     136.580083 (-0.02%)
HIP 14909:   26.941161 (-0.007%)
Col 70:     836.592905 (+0.05%)


Second group: Mel 22 Sector NX-U d2-33
--------------------------------------
Merope:     127.697097 (+0.2%)
HIP 14909:   28.109822 (+0.1%)
Col70:      825.827712 (+0.3%)


Third group: Mel 22 Sector NX-U d2-27
-------------------------------------
Merope:     131.181898 (-0.04%)
HIP 14909:   34.739277 (-0.01%)
Col70:      816.147941 (+0.0004%)

The 0.1-0.3 % error doesn't seem that high until you consider the fact that the Link is able to specify coordinates within 1/1000th (0.1%) of Col70-Merope distance - thus the error should never be larger than +/- 0.05%.

If the probe was measuring distances from Mel 22 d2-33, this would result in the following fractions:

Merope:    127.697097 / 871.018424 = 0.1466 = 147 / 1000, actual 144 / 1000 (represented as 18 / 125)
HIP 14909:  28.109822 / 871.018424 = 0.0323 =  32 / 1000, actual  31 / 1000
Col70:     825.827713 / 871.018424 = 0.9481 = 948 / 1000, actual 945 / 1000 (represented as 189 / 200)

Don't suppose there exists an unmapped system within couple of light years from d2-33?

What if the difference in your calulations doesn't refer to a different system to d2-33, but implies you need to fly in a particular direction once inside d2-33 quite a long way to find something?

I mean why would a live Thargoid mothership hang out near a sun when they spend so much time between systems?

Also all the generation ships we've found have been "fly this direction from this landmark for quite a long time till you see it".

 

[Jordo76]

May be a stupid idea/already tried before but since the spectrograph shows the UP (which points to Merope when dropped in space) on the right yet Merope is on the left, has anyone tried to switch the UA and UP on the unknown device?