Alien archeology and other mysteries: Thread 10 - The Canonn

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Becks

Becks
Muetdhiver said:
As far as I can tell, yes.

I will go so far as saying that the sonogram drawing tells us that the first coordinate is the distance to merope.
(see my updated previous post)

Be aware that due to a big mess up, I don't have my won data, I use what I can get from the thread so :)
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Going to start searching after lunch then. :D
 

Vendetta x77

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two quiet suns said:
I'm at MEL 22 SECTOR ZU-P C5-1 and almost right away got an Anomaly poi with a UA.
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Yeah they spawn all over the system like candy which is the most interesting part of the system atm, spent many hours last searching the system and it's bodies and came up with nothing of interest other than the UA spawn rate. Good luck! :D

Edit: Point of anger, I was doing audio testing with the UA, UP and UL, throwing the UD signal at them and listening to the link talk back and an xbox update came through, took all 3 of my items lol... MS, I hate you.
 
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PaulR

P
I am going to add my theory to the mix. Ever since I saw the video with the alien device projecting what looks like a star map, my first reaction has been to consider this as not as a map, but as a representation of how this alien species sees the world. To them, development is a spiral and the branches described a faction of society. They started united and they divided early on. I say this because the star density is far too small to represent a galaxy.
It also represents how they view life and social development. You can see that on the outside, by the way the base is fixed into the ground.
Regarding the interaction with guardian technology, it could well be that what we are seeing is two of the three factions that constituted their society. One was forced to migrate, and we can only see the ruins, the two others are still there and are still competing. Probably the thargoids (flower ships ) are trying to determine if we are not the third faction reborn or allied to them. This doesn't explain why we are attached by them yet, but have started to attack the federal navy ships.
 

Nutter

Nutter
Sorry if this has been mentioned before but Have we tested in space - The UP, UA, UL AND the UR (UNKNOWN RELIC) as we know all four are related!
 

LordZoltan

LordZoltan
Becks said:
Let me get that straight:

That'd mean we're searching for a system that is:

125,4 lys away from either Merope or HIP 14909
27 lys away from either Merope or HIP 14909
823 lys away from Col 70 (assuming that the largest distance is the distance to Col 70 as Merope and HIP 14909 are fairly close).

Is that correct?
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Edit after your edit

(original post:)
I don't think that's quite right.

If we look at the UP spectrogram, take the bottom circle as the source (scanned) system and the top as a target (presumably one related to thargoids, given the flowership/thargon symbols), then:

1st distance is equal to the distance between source & Merope AND Merope & target.
2nd distance is DIRECT distance from source to target
3rd distance is is equal to the distance between source & COL70(?) AND COL70(?) to target

Now, granted, this would mean that the target is not a fixed point - as one point will always be the same distance from two other fixed points. Except we only have three messages giving us three different sets of numbers, right?

So we might have three separate target systems.

I'm trying to get some time to work out on paper if it's even geometrically possible, but I'm sure there are bigger brains here who can do it more quickly than I.

Basically, I think you can plug in the three numbers to triangulate both the source system and the target systems. The only thing being that that straight line distance is always really short - which suggests that the target system is very close to the source.

So this Mel system is spawning UAs but is outside the previous UA shell? I did see this last night but was too tired :)

Exactly how far is it to Merope?
 
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Wace

W
manwithagun said:
can anyone remind where from we did get this numbers? And how. wanna try myself with source
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Listen to the transmission given by the unknown link starting around 23 seconds in the following video for example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2x3i3_ZqbM

The transmission consists of high and low notes in segments of three separated by warbles and delays. The first number in the video would be...

> HLH HLH <warble> HHL LLL LHL (0:23-0:32 in the video)

Where 'H' stands for a high frequency note and 'L' for a low frequency note. Each high frequency note represents binary 0 and low frequency note represents 1. This gives the following binary numbers:

> 010010 <warble> 001111101

Throwing these in any binary to decimal converter (first result on google: http://www.binaryhexconverter.com/binary-to-decimal-converter) should give the following decimal representation.

> 18 <warble> 125

The final part to the decoding is to realize that the <warble> stands in for a division, yielding the 18 / 125 fraction.

There's three different transmission so this gives us the following fractions:

Code: 
I:   157/1000  31/1000   24/25     or in decimal   0.157 0.031 0.960
II:   18/125   31/1000  189/200    or in decimal   0.144 0.031 0.945
III: 151/1000   1/25    937/1000   or in decimal   0.151 0.040 0.937

These were hypothesized to represent distances from unknown systems to specific reference systems, as in... system I would be 0.157 units from reference 1, 0.031 units from reference 2, 0.960 units from reference 3. We made the following educated assumptions:

- The unit of distance is the same that the Unknown Probe used: 871.018 Ly (distance between Merope and Col 70 Sector FY-N c21-3).
- Reference 1 is Merope.
- Reference 2 is HIP 14909.
- Reference 3 is Col 70 Sector FY-N C21-3.

So for system I we'd be trying to find a system that is...

- 871.018 * 0.157 light years from Merope
- 871.018 * 0.031 light years from HIP 14909
- 871.018 * 0.960 light years from Col 70 Sector FY-N c21-3

We can come up with good match for systems I and III but the numbers representing system II don't have a likely candidate that I've found.

My brute force approach for finding the final list of systems was to use the EDDB data set to find all the systems near Merope and check which ones of these are within the required distances of the reference systems. The fastest way for this is to download the systems data set from eddb or edsm (https://eddb.io/api), load it up in a proper database - I used MongoDB but an SQL database should work just fine and query it given the conditions. Downside with this approach is that it misses any system which isn't mapped in EDSM.

Edit: corrected mislabeled HIP 14919 into the correct HIP 14909
 
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StonedThoughts

StonedThoughts
Hey there, anyone need a good as new UP?
Im more the "fly around and try to find things" than "fiddlin around with things that eat up my ship" type off guy but i guess some off the "real" scientists here would have a good use for it :)

Edit: Playin on PC
 

Factabulous

Factabulous
Wace said:
- The unit of distance is the same that the Unknown Probe used: 871.018 Ly (distance between Merope and Col 70 Sector FY-N c21-3).
- Reference 1 is Merope.
- Reference 2 is HIP 14919.
- Reference 3 is Col 70 Sector FY-N C21-3.

So for system I we'd be trying to find a system that is...

- 871.018 * 0.157 light years from Merope
- 871.018 * 0.031 light years from HIP 14919
- 871.018 * 0.960 light years from Col 70 Sector FY-N c21-3
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Excellent summary - could you correct the system name to 14909 as I want to link to this post for reference by others :)

Edit: Personally I'm using sqlite and python, but wasn't as confident in my figures as you :)
 
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JesusRocks1988

JesusRocks1988
Wace said:
Listen to the transmission given by the unknown link starting around 23 seconds in the following video for example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2x3i3_ZqbM

The transmission consists of high and low notes in segments of three separated by warbles and delays. The first number in the video would be...

> HLH HLH <warble> HHL LLL LHL (0:23-0:32 in the video)

Where 'H' stands for a high frequency note and 'L' for a low frequency note. Each high frequency note represents binary 0 and low frequency note represents 1. This gives the following binary numbers:

> 010010 <warble> 001111101

Throwing these in any binary to decimal converter (first result on google: http://www.binaryhexconverter.com/binary-to-decimal-converter) should give the following decimal representation.

> 18 <warble> 125

The final part to the decoding is to realize that the <warble> stands in for a division, yielding the 18 / 125 fraction.

There's three different transmission so this gives us the following fractions:

Code: 
I:   157/1000  31/1000   24/25     or in decimal   0.157 0.031 0.960
II:   18/125   31/1000  189/200    or in decimal   0.144 0.031 0.945
III: 151/1000   1/25    937/1000   or in decimal   0.151 0.040 0.937

These were hypothesized to represent distances from unknown systems to specific reference systems, as in... system I would be 0.157 units from reference 1, 0.031 units from reference 2, 0.960 units from reference 3. We made the following educated assumptions:

- The unit of distance is the same that the Unknown Probe used: 871.018 Ly (distance between Merope and Col 70 Sector FY-N c21-3).
- Reference 1 is Merope.
- Reference 2 is HIP 14919.
- Reference 3 is Col 70 Sector FY-N C21-3.

So for system I we'd be trying to find a system that is...

- 871.018 * 0.157 light years from Merope
- 871.018 * 0.031 light years from HIP 14919
- 871.018 * 0.960 light years from Col 70 Sector FY-N c21-3

We can come up with good match for systems I and III but the numbers representing system II don't have a likely candidate that I've found.

My brute force approach for finding the final list of systems was to use the EDDB data set to find all the systems near Merope and check which ones of these are within the required distances of the reference systems. The fastest way for this is to download the systems data set from eddb or edsm (https://eddb.io/api), load it up in a proper database - I used MongoDB but an SQL database should work just fine and query it given the conditions. Downside with this approach is that it misses any system which isn't mapped in EDSM.
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Thank you so much for this explanation, it's so clear. I have been zoning out ever since the numbers started flying and this is the only time I've felt like it made sense!

So bottom line is we're looking for a system that's 27.001558LY from HIP 14919? (should that be 14909?)

RIZAL! THIS SHOULD GO ON THE FRONT PAGE!
 

TheHavoc

TheHavoc
PaulR said:
I am going to add my theory to the mix. Ever since I saw the video with the alien device projecting what looks like a star map, my first reaction has been to consider this as not as a map, but as a representation of how this alien species sees the world. To them, development is a spiral and the branches described a faction of society. They started united and they divided early on. I say this because the star density is far too small to represent a galaxy.
It also represents how they view life and social development. You can see that on the outside, by the way the base is fixed into the ground.
Regarding the interaction with guardian technology, it could well be that what we are seeing is two of the three factions that constituted their society. One was forced to migrate, and we can only see the ruins, the two others are still there and are still competing. Probably the thargoids (flower ships ) are trying to determine if we are not the third faction reborn or allied to them. This doesn't explain why we are attached by them yet, but have started to attack the federal navy ships.
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It surely can also show a galaxy when having the device activated, it may be a dwarf galaxy in spiral form. Regarding the attacked federal ships: STILL there is no witness about a flower ship attacking a human vessel !
 

Muetdhiver

Muetdhiver
best fit for me :

mel 22 sector NX-U D2-31 :

reference :

18/125
0.14125.43
31/1000
0.0327
945/1000
0.95823.11

target calculated distances :

125.64
27.15
823.34

 

manwithagun

M
Wace said:
Listen to the transmission given by the unknown link starting around 23 seconds in the following video for example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2x3i3_ZqbM

The transmission consists of high and low notes in segments of three separated by warbles and delays. The first number in the video would be...

> HLH HLH <warble> HHL LLL LHL (0:23-0:32 in the video)

Where 'H' stands for a high frequency note and 'L' for a low frequency note. Each high frequency note represents binary 0 and low frequency note represents 1. This gives the following binary numbers:

> 010010 <warble> 001111101

Throwing these in any binary to decimal converter (first result on google: http://www.binaryhexconverter.com/binary-to-decimal-converter) should give the following decimal representation.

> 18 <warble> 125

The final part to the decoding is to realize that the <warble> stands in for a division, yielding the 18 / 125 fraction.

There's three different transmission so this gives us the following fractions:

Code: 
I:   157/1000  31/1000   24/25     or in decimal   0.157 0.031 0.960
II:   18/125   31/1000  189/200    or in decimal   0.144 0.031 0.945
III: 151/1000   1/25    937/1000   or in decimal   0.151 0.040 0.937

These were hypothesized to represent distances from unknown systems to specific reference systems, as in... system I would be 0.157 units from reference 1, 0.031 units from reference 2, 0.960 units from reference 3. We made the following educated assumptions:

- The unit of distance is the same that the Unknown Probe used: 871.018 Ly (distance between Merope and Col 70 Sector FY-N c21-3).
- Reference 1 is Merope.
- Reference 2 is HIP 14919.
- Reference 3 is Col 70 Sector FY-N C21-3.

So for system I we'd be trying to find a system that is...

- 871.018 * 0.157 light years from Merope
- 871.018 * 0.031 light years from HIP 14919
- 871.018 * 0.960 light years from Col 70 Sector FY-N c21-3

We can come up with good match for systems I and III but the numbers representing system II don't have a likely candidate that I've found.

My brute force approach for finding the final list of systems was to use the EDDB data set to find all the systems near Merope and check which ones of these are within the required distances of the reference systems. The fastest way for this is to download the systems data set from eddb or edsm (https://eddb.io/api), load it up in a proper database - I used MongoDB but an SQL database should work just fine and query it given the conditions. Downside with this approach is that it misses any system which isn't mapped in EDSM.
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Why do we use
a) HIP 909 as refrence2
b) why do we use distances? In Spherical coordinates system, where 157/1000 and 31/1000 are angles and third coordinate is distance.
by this point in first case we have 56.52 degrees Ox axis 11.16 to Oy and 0.960 units distance
 

Jorki Rasalas

Jorki Rasalas
LordZoltan said:
All this great stuff going on, and here I am only just getting my invites from Qwent, Ram Tah and Zacariah Nemo! Palin is only a few grinds away... :)


Those three sets of distances... specifically the two which match exactly on the second item... that smells of fish.

I'm about to go to bed, but it doesn't seem likely to me that two systems could be different distances away from points #1 + #3 but the same distance from #2 - unless the two locations in question lay on the boundary described by a perfect sphere around #2.

It is possible - but is it really likely?
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You see? This is what happens when you take time out!
you can check out, but you can never leave!! :D
 

Odoacre Barbamerda

Odoacre Barbamerda
Maybe I'm wrong.... but what at the first look, looks like a binary code, made of points and lines:
Tharg01.jpg


I think it hide some other message at a deeper level.
Tharg.jpg


I can clearly see a path of 8 distinct tones or notes.

BETTER RES IMAGE:
http://imgur.com/UcwRczM
 
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