Alien archeology and other mysteries: Thread 10 - The Canonn

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Baton

Baton
BuldozerisBMW said:
Yeah, I know that. Seems that I have too weak sound, using integrated monitor speakers for now... thats why I cant hear those triplets ;/
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Well, I cannot hear them in your audio too, so this has nothing to do with your speakers. Your messages are 9 second long but the UL is active for around 40 seconds, so you are doing something wrong.
 

IiliI PEL IiliI

IiliI PEL IiliI
Unknown structure machine experiment...

Orb + Tablet + UL = destructive orange beam. Nothing unique to report.

Please update data sheet.

I will continue this avenue of experimentation....

Message ends.
 

LordZoltan

LordZoltan
Jorki Rasalas said:
I got lots of modular terminals a week or so ago when ranking up with feds. Do a round robin of data deliveries Ceos-Sothis (main station then outpost)-Ceos, or you can do same for Imps if you want to rank with them.

so who do we prefer to sell Unknown Items to? Canonn (do we really want to risk corrosion damage to that nice shiny new megaship?) or Palin (who took lots of alien data and MAs & never delivered much despite megapromises)? We only have Palin's word that the Feds stole the data from him, I do not trust him! But we should get them to some engineer who can start to work on them & move towards protective and offensive capabilities, Martuk? Farseer?
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Thanks - good info; out of rep for you, as always :)

Well the way I'm thinking - and I preface this by saying I'm not an official voice for the Canonn Council right now after my lengthy absence - but it seems to me that if there are more adverse side effects to be discovered from all this new 'Unknown X' stuff, then it seems reasonable that a faction like the Canonn should fall victim to it first, given the CANONN INSTITUTE in COL 285 SECTOR IX-T D3-43 and THE GNOSIS IN VARATI basically spend their whole time studying this stuff.

Y'know, like - and I don't know if any FD big cheeses are still reading this thread - but, well, y'know, if it helps the story and all that... ;)

*Was that too subtle do you think?
 

Wace

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Xenia_K said:
here are the three UL sets for Pleiades KM-W d1-44 B10a

Set 1 https://www.dropbox.com/s/d41r0bq2v4d89zd/KM-W set 1.mp3?dl=0
Set 2 https://www.dropbox.com/s/hr9govdvvy0vpie/KM-W set 2.mp3?dl=0
Set 3 https://www.dropbox.com/s/wselef53wz4ezfh/KM-W set 3.mp3?dl=0

for those who have the abilities to decode it - I am to deaf / to stupid :)
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http://jubjubnest.net:8001/?origin=...10+100 001+111+001+011+|+001+111+101+000

(I'm assuming you meant KM-W d1-40 instead of KM-W d1-44, which doesn't have a site according to the spreadsheet)

Set 1: (0.114, 0.074, 0.944) => HIP 18368 (Average error 0.039 %)
Set 2: (0.094, 0.046, 0.979) => Pleiades Sector OS-U c2-7 (Average error 0.017 %) - Not in spreadsheet yet?
Set 3: (0.082, 0.038, 0.971) => HIP 16572 (Average error 0.022 %) - Not in spreadsheet either?
 

carazvan

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Looking at the spectrograms again I wonder if there's more to dig out of the original one.
The latest spectrogram gives us a key to read the first one better:

--| Unknown Artifact
-|- Unknown Link
-|| Unknown Probe

I wonder if |-- then means just another Unknown Artifact or if there's another thing we are yet to find.
 

Wace

W
BuldozerisBMW said:
Yeah, I know that. Seems that I have too weak sound, using integrated monitor speakers for now... thats why I cant hear those triplets ;/
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In the in-game audio settings, optimize the sound for night time:

oaD5rt5.png

Ensure you are directly in front of the dish when trying to listen to the audio:

[video=youtube;-IrN4-Mouvc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IrN4-Mouvc[/video]

If you can hear the audio in the youtube video (starting at 7 seconds) you should be fine in game as well with your integrated speakers.
 

M. Volgrand

M. Volgrand
CMDR Dreamstate said:
Thargoids: Peace or War?

Thargoid Wreck Analysis

First, some observables;

- Each site has, so far, either produced a working Galaxy Chamber or is just an outright "Dead" wreck.

- Dead wrecks are more numerous towards the Pleiades stars and Maia region, potentially meaning they are the first to be infected.

- It has been a little over 400 years since the first Thargoid War, so I would assume the wreckage of all these crashed vessels have been around since that time.

- All data recovered from the wrecks would suggest some form of "contaniment" was responsible for the downfall of these 7-10km wide ships.

- All data points at the wrecks having both an Ammonia and Carbon based chemistry, and/or biological DNA makeup.

Other evidence of interest;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PX49v8zYutI

https://www.reddit.com/r/EliteDangerous/comments/53se4s/first_thargoid_contact_22_beacon/

My Personal Conclusion

These wrecks were once Thargoid Motherships, and their history goes all the way back to when the Thargoids were first encountered by humanity in the year 2849 (supported in game by a tourist beacon). It isn't clear how long the war was waged for, but it is clear that Humanity survived and the Thargoids fled - they just outright disapeared, and likely for a very good reason.

At all the sites, it is clear that whatever struck down these motherships, it was virulent; it was so devestating, it left each ship heavily crippled. There were rumours that humanity used a bio-engineered weapons called the "Mycoid" virus - the visual evidence, along with the data gathered at these wrecks, would suggest this to be true.

White-heads or "boils" grow on the "skin" of the vessel all over the wrecks, and can explode if enough pressure is applied by driving over them - similar to that of a sick patient squeezing a spot. These ships may have developed some kind of immune-system resistence, over time, to the ravages of this virus - though they have no outright cured it. Some may have even severed important organs or blood-vessels to keep the Cores of these ships alive.

Effectively, these motherships are on life-support - they are still dieing, albeit very slowly. They will never fly again.

Scavengers are evidence for this. They are simple, purpose driven skimmers that go about the wrecks performing tasks. Some are seen spraying some sort of chemicals on infected areas of the ships. Others, like they are regurgitating some sort of goo on wounds.
While it is a good theory that these scavengers are repairing the motherships, I do not believe this to be the case - not enough scavengers are at the wrecks to repair something so large, personal opinion. I believe they are just making the patient "more comfortable", if you will, as the wrecks are gradually dieing - these motherships are on life support - there is no cure for them - they are stuck forever in the system they dwelled in at the time when they caught the infection.

I believe the scavengers sole purpose is gather data, working parts, technology, etc.. It would certainly explain such things as Unknown Resin and Unknown Technology spread about the site wrapped in some kind of green coating - perhaps to gather such samples in the event that, should friendly Thargoids return, they would have the potential answers for a cure.

This potentially ammonia-engineered virus spread like fire among the motherships, and may have been unwittingly trasmitted by the smaller "Thargon" vessels (which could explain the wreckage of those ships found on random planets and moons - they, too, fell to the sickness once it had time to gestate and may not have made it back to their motherships at the time due to being on an away mission of some type).

How the virus was transmitted, however, we just don't know. Did the Thargoids eat human beings? Devour entire settlements? Were humans carrying this Virus? Did a weapon payload of some kind do it?

Considering we still don't have the technology to counter Thargoid technology over 400 years later, I suspect the means of using some type of weapon to infect the aliens is less plausible (though not impossible). This leaves the possibility open that the Thargoids recieved the infection through biological contamination. The virus could have been "bombed" into Gas Giants, Ammonia Gas Giants or Ammonia Worlds, which is another source of infection should the Thargoids be on these worlds or just use them as a source of re-fueling, atmospheric properties, or breathing.

This brings me to the potential purpose of the Barnacles and their "Symbol". I suspect the Barnacles are a source of Meta-alloys to help sustain the dieing motherships, and are grown, deliberatly, safely away from the wrecks. I suspect Barnacles could mark a "Qaurantine Zone", and that the symbol is one way of stating "STAY AWAY - MYCOID INFECTION PRESENT".

Whatever the reason for the Barnacles, however, they are important to the Thargoids, whom have been seemingly harvesting them. Perhaps the Barnacles are also independant research points? It could be possible that, although the infection may not be curable once it has reached a certain point, the Barnacles themselves are producing ways in which to render the virus "inert" by developing new Meta-Alloys that are impervious to the ravaging affects of the virus.

I believe the Unknown Artefacts, Probes, and Links, all play a role in communication, though it is unknown if these have been around for just as long as the Motherships (which would make them over 400 years old), or are something just recently added in recent times, say in the last 50-100 years. Such discovery and presence of these objects would be of interest to the secret societies or governments - the forces behind the "Dynasty Project" - therefore, the emergence of such Unknown Artefacts or Probes could have been the trigger for such an initiative. "THEY are coming back..."

I now believe the Thargoids have, after over 400 years of testing and evolving, developed a cure and immunization to the Mycoid virus.

This brings me to another point...

If we believe the Thargoids believe humanity is the reason for first distributing this virus, then why are they not attacking us already? They have the capability to, after all, pull us out of Witch-space to "examine" us.

My thoughts? They may have never ever considered humanity a threat capable of creating and delivering such a virus to begin with - they may not know that humanity has developed complex DNA engineering capabilities - they may not even know where it, the Mycoid virus, came from, and may have assumed it was a one-off infection. If these aliens have been around for thousands, hundreds of thousands, or millions of years, the Mycoid Virus may not have been the first time they have suffered such a devestating infection - they could have picked up something similar in the past, evolved through it, and carried on.

We have to remember; we are just as alien to the aliens. They are stuck in a similar situation to us. Who are they? what are they? where do they come from? are questions they may be asking themselves - if they even care.

It could be possible that, way back during the 29th Century, the aliens may not have posed a threat to begin with - we just do not have that kind of inteligence to make the assumption that the Thargoids "fired first" - we only have hearsay or rumour that they were the ones that "started it".

Hence, only certain human vessels have been fired upon and destroyed - most notably, the Federation. I would likely assume that the reason Federation vessels have been disabled and destroyed is because they are given orders to adopt a "fire first, ask no questions" policy - the Federation are purposely causing friction with the aliens.

After the events of the Formadine Rift Mystery, and from Salome's dead words left transcribed at data points, it is clear a Shadow Government is engineering events to profit from a war with the "alien menace" that is "likely" coming our way - one that is, again, likely human-engineered. If not, the Shadow Government, or "Shadow Law" as I love to call them, is certainly afraid as they huddle around each other in their toxic boardrooms.

I would urge huge amounts of caution since learning a force is pulling the strings of The Federation, the Empire, and the Alliance.

It is up to us, as sole pilots, to steer the course of this Galaxy.

It is likely this war could be a human-engineered one.

It is likely the Thargoids never did present a threat to begin with - and was one created by the Shadow Government.

Remember; each time we have encountered the Thargoids, they have never been the aggressors.

How Do We Make Peace? How Do We Pick A Side?

They are staring us right in the face at the wreck sites.

It has been hypothesised, even by myself, that the Thargoids may require us to drop cargo for them to get the ball rolling once they fully return - after all, it is practically the only way of interacting with NPCs at this current moment in time. Some have even heard "rumour" at the recent Lavecon that this could be the case that adds to this hypothesis.

Rumour aside, what do we have, which is tangible, that the Thargoids would want, but they they themselves may not be able to retrieve?

These: Unknown Resin, Unknown Technology Samples, and Unknown Biological Matter.

These objects may be of valuable interest to the Thargoids once they return in 2.4, as they no doubt contain valuable data on the Mycoid infection, and/or ways to better immunize themselves against it. I think these items are salvaged by the "Salvagers" at the mothership sites, and the purpose of these items are to be collected and given.

Of course, they may accept other things such as Meta-Alloys, for example, but the three items listed above should be stapled onto your "Obvious List".

However, they may not like such items, such as; Ancient Relics, Ancient Orbs, Ancient Tablets, Ancient Totems, Ancient Caskets, and Ancient Urns.

Gaurdian Technology does not react well with the current crashed wrecks, so I expect it wouldn't be too bright to offer them as gifts to the Thargoids either once they return.

Personally, I don't know how I feel about this. I believe the Gaurdians are the origin story behind the Thargoids, and the recent testing with these artefacts in the Galaxy Chamber doesn't fill me with confidence that the Thargoids are a reason the Gaurdians are no longer with us.

This causes me considerable personal conflict, because the Gaurdians were very much like us - they were a naturally evolved, humanoid species that had many cultural, religious, and technological differences to our own, and the universe would no doubt be a richer existence with them in it.

So, I see it as this - we have two choices;

1) We go to war with the Thargoids over the, potentially, extinct Gaurdians that could have been wiped out by the Thargoids (thus at the same time furthering the human Shadow Governments agenda).

2) Make peace with the Thargoids by presenting them gifts when the chances' arise.

Frontier have suggested, quite strongly, that war is coming - so I expect the Federation and the other Superpowers have already caused us to go into conflict with the aliens. Thefore, what happens from that point on will determine the future.

Do we put to rest the Gaurdians' AI Biological Weapons, and further the unknown causes of the Shadow Government? Or do we set aside differences, accept that the Gaurdians are their own cause for their own detriment, and just make do with their creations and learn more from them?

I haven't made my choice yet...

Will you?
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Very good analysis of the current data.
I cannot choose a side yet. I am keen to give peace a chance, of course, but I feel compeled to be ready for combat, to be ready in case war is about to come.
 

SushiCW

SushiCW
Blargh, my kingdom for a size 4 corrosion-resistant rack!

My poor Keelback is out of slots I can spare, so I only have room for 2 cargo... meaning some very interesting juggling between sites.
 

Wace

W
Baton said:
Any chance you could look at message 3 (last one) from hip 20486 ?

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B-r1RAU5bPx-T3F3azJzS0ZIZUU

I can record again if it is not good
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http://jubjubnest.net:8001/?origin=...+101+|+111+110+100 111+000+011+|+111+110+100

In order of audio file:
(0.141, 0.038, 0.916) => Synuefe WU-X c17-8 (Average error 0.031 %) (US038)
(0.149, 0.041, 0.902) => Synuefe YP-X c17-1 (Average error 0.025 %) (US027)
(0.154, 0.042, 0.902) => Synuefe UK-V b35-0 (Average error 0.021 %) (US037)
 

Nukester

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Hey folks,

I'm reposting this here on the advice of a helpful member- this might be most suitable to be posted here - I'm not sure if this is anything you guys have picked up on.

I am not sure if this amounts to anything and if it does, I am not sure if it has already been covered as there's lots of talk on so many threads/sites about the recent discoveries.

I was in HIP 19026 looking at the dead base/ship and it got me wondering about the roof of the structure and how it is aligned to the gas giant. Has anyone noticed this? - I'm sure this is old news but I just wanted to check just in case. I noticed this whilst in my SRV so I jumped in my asp and flew to the roof to look up and it matches exactly with the gas giant. I am not sure if this is coincidence based on the time I was on the planet and maybe its orbit just happened to match up with the time I was there. So curiously, I wondered if this moon is tidally locked to the gas giant and IT IS!!!! ..[alien][where is it][alien]

Could this mean something? or just all coincidence?

Hmm, what are your thoughts?
 

Baton

Baton
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M. Volgrand

M. Volgrand
Nukester said:
Hey folks,

I'm reposting this here on the advice of a helpful member- this might be most suitable to be posted here - I'm not sure if this is anything you guys have picked up on.

I am not sure if this amounts to anything and if it does, I am not sure if it has already been covered as there's lots of talk on so many threads/sites about the recent discoveries.

I was in HIP 19026 looking at the dead base/ship and it got me wondering about the roof of the structure and how it is aligned to the gas giant. Has anyone noticed this? - I'm sure this is old news but I just wanted to check just in case. I noticed this whilst in my SRV so I jumped in my asp and flew to the roof to look up and it matches exactly with the gas giant. I am not sure if this is coincidence based on the time I was on the planet and maybe its orbit just happened to match up with the time I was there. So curiously, I wondered if this moon is tidally locked to the gas giant and IT IS!!!! ..[alien][where is it][alien]

Could this mean something? or just all coincidence?

Hmm, what are your thoughts?
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Hm... I'm unable to check that atm, but if it is true it would explain why apparently all the alien motherships are in tidally locked planets.
 

Kaltern

Kaltern
Nukester said:
Hey folks,

I'm reposting this here on the advice of a helpful member- this might be most suitable to be posted here - I'm not sure if this is anything you guys have picked up on.

I am not sure if this amounts to anything and if it does, I am not sure if it has already been covered as there's lots of talk on so many threads/sites about the recent discoveries.

I was in HIP 19026 looking at the dead base/ship and it got me wondering about the roof of the structure and how it is aligned to the gas giant. Has anyone noticed this? - I'm sure this is old news but I just wanted to check just in case. I noticed this whilst in my SRV so I jumped in my asp and flew to the roof to look up and it matches exactly with the gas giant. I am not sure if this is coincidence based on the time I was on the planet and maybe its orbit just happened to match up with the time I was there. So curiously, I wondered if this moon is tidally locked to the gas giant and IT IS!!!! ..[alien][where is it][alien]

Could this mean something? or just all coincidence?

Hmm, what are your thoughts?
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I'm en route to a new site.. I will check your theory when I get there :D
 

IiliI PEL IiliI

IiliI PEL IiliI
Nukester said:
Hey folks,

I'm reposting this here on the advice of a helpful member- this might be most suitable to be posted here - I'm not sure if this is anything you guys have picked up on.

I am not sure if this amounts to anything and if it does, I am not sure if it has already been covered as there's lots of talk on so many threads/sites about the recent discoveries.

I was in HIP 19026 looking at the dead base/ship and it got me wondering about the roof of the structure and how it is aligned to the gas giant. Has anyone noticed this? - I'm sure this is old news but I just wanted to check just in case. I noticed this whilst in my SRV so I jumped in my asp and flew to the roof to look up and it matches exactly with the gas giant. I am not sure if this is coincidence based on the time I was on the planet and maybe its orbit just happened to match up with the time I was there. So curiously, I wondered if this moon is tidally locked to the gas giant and IT IS!!!! ..[alien][where is it][alien]

Could this mean something? or just all coincidence?

Hmm, what are your thoughts?
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Yknow what...I was thinking that the other day...more than one site has another astral body directly above it...in its firing line so to speak
 

Nukester

N
Thanks guys, i'll be interested to see what comes of this. I just thought it was too strange and when I saw the tidal locked listing for the moon, I just thought "NO WAY" It can't be! hehe.
 
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