Alien archeology and other mysteries: Thread 10 - The Canonn
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I realized a moment ago that my sensor is light weight modded. That most likely explains it. I forgot that my wide angle is in another ship.
Should've updated the spreadsheet then!
Meant transcribing. I think I'm getting the hang of this.
http://jubjubnest.net:8001/?origin=...L+LLH+LHH HHL+LHL+LHH+LHL+|+HHL+LLL+LHL+HHH+
(0.169, 0.048, 0.878) => HIP 20486 (Average error 0.031 %) <- Site 36
(0.099, 0.044, 0.921) => Pleiades Sector MC-V c2-6 (Average error 0.029 %) <- Site 31
(0.156, 0.022, 0.869) => Synuefe RT-Z c16-13 (Average error 0.015 %) <- Site 26
Spreadsheet updated.
5 minutes to collect UAs: Pleiades Sector KC-U B3-1 planet 8
5 minutes to collect UPs: HIP 18274 3
5 minutes to collect Pharmaceutical Isolators: Tosaka (at last for now)
That bit of info is exactly like I said - it could be interpreted to be related to the Thargoids but there's nothing concrete on which it can be said that it actually is.
Ultimately it's possibilities and probabilities.
Is it possible? Yes, nothing to specifically exclude it.
Is it probable? No, not on balance. No actual evidence for it at the moment.
Same applies to all the other hypotheses - Thargoids being Guardian AI, Thargoids being the Guardian's Foe/Adversary from L21, etc.
It's all subject to change as we discover more obviously, and all I've said above is based on the position last night - something new might have been discovered since!
I just went through and updated my spreadsheet with relative distances - it's a bit unwieldy now, so you have to scroll down a little for the grid. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vTWZIFbVVx9o0-4Bt4d0d4OIpnl-VDgG86_0iDbghZo/edit?usp=sharing
So far 16 of 23 sites there is data for have messages for the 3 other nearest sites. So, that's quite a few but 70% is well below anything conclusive. I also have distance to Sol, and there does appear to be a trend with decreasing distance as more site are discovered.
It also shows: Of 66 UL destinations recorded the average distance is 37.4 ly. Min 5.75, max 117.7 and standard deviation of 22.7.
I was also rethinking the spetragram. This isn't a radical change from what others have proposed, but what if it is directly depicting the UL signal contents? See: http://imgur.com/a/SbBGG
Kind of makes sense, considering it's in the audio after all. We know the UP has distance data for Col 70, and the UL seems to be able to determine distance from the destination point to function as it does. I was trying to find out if the UA signal was completely decoded previously? Any indication that it can determine distance from Merope? If so, the function in the navigation room at a site may be taking required distance information from all three devices and outputting the signal, which the UL can interpret and produce instructions to decode.
The spectragram looked at this way also seems to show the signal being sent from A to B - this matches with the listening post detections of signals at some sites.
Which made me consider that the instructions themselves seem to be designed for any species to potentially decipher, since there is semi-universal design, and the fact that it exists at all when the thargoids probably have no need for the diagram themselves.
My theory at the moment: Could we be looking at distress beacons? If the sites are wrecks, broadcasting signals, and other sites are receiving them and with the UL/UA/UP output signals for nearby sources and instructions for locating them - in the apparent navigation room of the site - and with instructions for other species.
Really stretching on this one probably:
I was also rethinking the binary in the spectragram. We know the audio decoding of the signals has involved octal, and that the high and low notes correspond to 0 and 1. If the binary in the spectragram was representative of the high / low, it might be reversed, so:
How we have interpreted it:
--| -|- -||
001 010 011
1 2 3
Looking at it the other way:
--| -|- -||
LLH LHL LHH
110 101 100
Octal: 6 5 4
Decimal:4 2 8
I have no idea what 654 could mean though. I was thinking the missing piece from the spectraram was the distance from Merope to Col 70, but that is 871.018 ly and I have no idea how to get 871 from 654 or 428. So 123 is probably just as likely, and might just show instructions steps as we've thought previously. But I figured I'd share this in case it sparks an epiphany with someone.
Need coffee....
Edit: I forgot to mention that when translating binary to octal, it uses groups of 3 - if that wasn't implied in earlier discussions on the binary.
So far 16 of 23 sites there is data for have messages for the 3 other nearest sites. So, that's quite a few but 70% is well below anything conclusive. I also have distance to Sol, and there does appear to be a trend with decreasing distance as more site are discovered.
It also shows: Of 66 UL destinations recorded the average distance is 37.4 ly. Min 5.75, max 117.7 and standard deviation of 22.7.
I was also rethinking the spetragram. This isn't a radical change from what others have proposed, but what if it is directly depicting the UL signal contents? See: http://imgur.com/a/SbBGG
Kind of makes sense, considering it's in the audio after all. We know the UP has distance data for Col 70, and the UL seems to be able to determine distance from the destination point to function as it does. I was trying to find out if the UA signal was completely decoded previously? Any indication that it can determine distance from Merope? If so, the function in the navigation room at a site may be taking required distance information from all three devices and outputting the signal, which the UL can interpret and produce instructions to decode.
The spectragram looked at this way also seems to show the signal being sent from A to B - this matches with the listening post detections of signals at some sites.
Which made me consider that the instructions themselves seem to be designed for any species to potentially decipher, since there is semi-universal design, and the fact that it exists at all when the thargoids probably have no need for the diagram themselves.
My theory at the moment: Could we be looking at distress beacons? If the sites are wrecks, broadcasting signals, and other sites are receiving them and with the UL/UA/UP output signals for nearby sources and instructions for locating them - in the apparent navigation room of the site - and with instructions for other species.
Really stretching on this one probably:
I was also rethinking the binary in the spectragram. We know the audio decoding of the signals has involved octal, and that the high and low notes correspond to 0 and 1. If the binary in the spectragram was representative of the high / low, it might be reversed, so:
How we have interpreted it:
--| -|- -||
001 010 011
1 2 3
Looking at it the other way:
--| -|- -||
LLH LHL LHH
110 101 100
Octal: 6 5 4
Decimal:4 2 8
I have no idea what 654 could mean though. I was thinking the missing piece from the spectraram was the distance from Merope to Col 70, but that is 871.018 ly and I have no idea how to get 871 from 654 or 428. So 123 is probably just as likely, and might just show instructions steps as we've thought previously. But I figured I'd share this in case it sparks an epiphany with someone.
Need coffee....
Edit: I forgot to mention that when translating binary to octal, it uses groups of 3 - if that wasn't implied in earlier discussions on the binary.
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Should've updated the spreadsheet then!
I did not expect to have access
Audio for Synuefe YP-X c17-1
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B3ARsLkTX4vXVnlvN2s5UEFpZE0
Any source for this? Didn't DB say they'd been round for millenia?
http://jubjubnest.net:8001/?origin=...11+110+100 001+101+100+101+|+001+111+101+000
(0.169, 0.048, 0.878) => HIP 20486 (Average error 0.031 %) (US036)
(0.099, 0.044, 0.921) => Pleiades Sector MC-V c2-6 (Average error 0.029 %) (US031)
(0.156, 0.022, 0.869) => Synuefe RT-Z c16-13 (Average error 0.015 %) (US026)
I have to eat once a day you know. :<
Edit: SushiCW beat me to it. \o/ Good job!
I think this might be worth posting :
here is the distance to merope distribution for all known sites (from cannon map)
It really looks like it match the UA sphere IMO (in terms of radius).
If it indeed covers the whole sphere, we're speaking hundreds of sites.
here is the distance to merope distribution for all known sites (from cannon map)
It really looks like it match the UA sphere IMO (in terms of radius).
If it indeed covers the whole sphere, we're speaking hundreds of sites.
I did not expect to have access
Audio for Synuefe YP-X c17-1
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B3ARsLkTX4vXVnlvN2s5UEFpZE0
I'm having a really hard time with the second two but the first one is definitely Synuefe YP-X c17-8 (Site 38).
A correct theory is just a useful model of current reality that hasn't yet been faced with contradictory facts.
Special cases may indicate the theory needs to be stretched a little. Lots of special cases suggest it's time for a new theory.
Edit: yeah, after five days I've finally caught up with the end of the thread!
Out of real rep for you at the moment so have some virtual +rep!
First post, so I should say Hi
I was wondering if anyone could suggest a site to visit that's the most visually impressive from the outside? I haven't unlocked Palin yet, so getting in isn't going to happen but I wouldn't mind checking out some of the more impressive external structures at one of the sites if possible
I was wondering if anyone could suggest a site to visit that's the most visually impressive from the outside? I haven't unlocked Palin yet, so getting in isn't going to happen but I wouldn't mind checking out some of the more impressive external structures at one of the sites if possible
OK, will record again in the moment
I did not expect to have access
Audio for Synuefe YP-X c17-1
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B3ARsLkTX4vXVnlvN2s5UEFpZE0
http://jubjubnest.net:8001/?origin=...+|+001+111+101+000 111+000+011+|+111+110+100
(0.166, 0.036, 0.916) => Synuefe YP-X c17-8 (Average error 0.022 %) (US024)
(0.157, 0.052, 0.943) => Synuefe OV-K d9-56 (Average error 0.012 %) (US025)
(0.154, 0.007, 0.902) => Synuefe UK-V b35-0 (Average error 0.022 %) (US035)
It feels like the amount of new sites is starting to decrease? We reaching the end maybe?
With all the sites being discovered - and the hope that that will eventually lead us to something significant (although I must remind everyone that the sheer number of these sites is significant on its own) - for those who feel alienated by, or unable to participate in, the whole decoding thing, we should consider there might be other weird things which are new:
1) The wreck sites themselves might not have given up all their secrets yet
1a) With the new flowership behaviour (buzzing SRVs at wreck sites) there might be other new interactions
2) Rechecking barnacle sites for anything new
3) With the Guardians mission now able to be completed legitimately, perhaps there's something else around that which is new
3a) We've seen Guardian tech illicit a response from the unknown device - what about unknown objects giving a different result at a Guardian site?
4) More space-based discoveries to be made - e.g. Gen ships or Fed wrecks
5) Maia/other Pleiades related weirdness?
6) The fungus farms out in California Nebula - any developments there?
I'm sure there are many more things to consider, too.
Either way - there's something that can be done by everyone of all levels of ability/motivation - and while this might be the biggest new thing right now, it's entirely possible it could be acting as a smokescreen for other, less 'obvious' things
+ rep. Plenty of existing stuff to keep going with as well!
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