Not all of them are dudes.
Attempt to sabotage our game
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Not all of them are dudes.
Can't blame them. I don't agree with their methods. But I can see how it has come to this.
Open/private/solo are all the same with different levels of interaction. You can PvP the BGS from the safety of Private and UA bomb from the safety of solo.
They need to make the BGS only be effected by OPEN. If you are ever in solo with a UA it has no effect on stations.
Private and solo players need to stop dictating what players in Open do because they are too scared to come to open and do something about it.
There is nothing wrong with wanting a PVE friendly game. Also nothing wrong with wanting to kill every other player you see.
Give us a choice.
Open = PvP for players, BGS, UA bombing
Private/Solo = PvP turned off and nothing you do effects Open in any way.
Open/private/solo are all the same with different levels of interaction. You can PvP the BGS from the safety of Private and UA bomb from the safety of solo.
They need to make the BGS only be effected by OPEN. If you are ever in solo with a UA it has no effect on stations.
Private and solo players need to stop dictating what players in Open do because they are too scared to come to open and do something about it.
There is nothing wrong with wanting a PVE friendly game. Also nothing wrong with wanting to kill every other player you see.
Give us a choice.
Open = PvP for players, BGS, UA bombing
Private/Solo = PvP turned off and nothing you do effects Open in any way.
verminstar
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I dont wanna be the one who sets a thread on fire...however...I have absolutely no issue keeping my hands warm over the flames either 
Most the time its not about winding someone up...if they posting a salty thread, then they already half way there. All one has to do then is hand them the shovel then stand back and watch them dig their own grave. Little prompts now and then isnt really technically trolling, its encouraging them to get it outta their system instead of bottling up the rage.
Its only technically trolling when its something which is specifically designed to provoke a negative reaction.
Or so Ive heard...I typed it into google...or something...
Most the time its not about winding someone up...if they posting a salty thread, then they already half way there. All one has to do then is hand them the shovel then stand back and watch them dig their own grave. Little prompts now and then isnt really technically trolling, its encouraging them to get it outta their system instead of bottling up the rage.
Its only technically trolling when its something which is specifically designed to provoke a negative reaction.
Or so Ive heard...I typed it into google...or something...
Take this post to the Hotel, thanks.
In open & group you play collaboratively therefore have an advantage.
Open / Private = Easy mode
Solo = Brave mode
I'll just haul my UAs in Solo, dock, switch to Open, done.
I broke your idea.
This is why modes are equal.
Whats everyone mad about today?
It's Saturday, so the servers are probably playing up. So they've come here to entertain themselves?
Or the kiddies are off from school today. Take that as you will.
verminstar
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Open v solo...usual weekend stuff ^
It sure is. Every time someone mistakes anti-gank sentiment for anti-PvP sentiment when they get their victim freak on.
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The intention was to put the starter systems and the neighbors (eravate etc) into lockdown by the usual PewPew mechanics. This would have the effect of disabling shipyard, mission board, outfitting etc and causing difficulty to the new guys because, Although PS4 is not sharing our PC instance, The BGS and subsequently the systems are cross-platform.
The move by FD to put bounty hunting (the natural counter to lockdown) CG's up for the same week is inspired.
Wouldn't it be amazing if this game behaved like a real sandbox, where FD has set up the rules and laws for murderers, pirates, thieves, smugglers and then just sits back and relax, allow open and single to become one and let those who break the law get punished severely and accordingly when caught?
What did you say? That will never happen? Of course it won't, I know. I am just daydreaming here about a developer that does what it's best for their world and have some real vision to make this game what it should be: a real sandbox.
What did you say? That will never happen? Of course it won't, I know. I am just daydreaming here about a developer that does what it's best for their world and have some real vision to make this game what it should be: a real sandbox.
One of these days, this vocal minority of PvP players which includes the Gankers are going to realize precisely how TINY their numbers actually are within the larger ED community.
Its laughable that they actually believe anything they do is going to have a significant impact on Frontier's plans. If anything, the few innocent players they do manage to destroy for no reason will just move over to Solo or a Private Group further driving up the numbers there which dominate the game far beyond that of OPEN Mode.
If anything...These miscreants have done more damage to their goals than anyone else could ever hope to.
[wacko]
Its laughable that they actually believe anything they do is going to have a significant impact on Frontier's plans. If anything, the few innocent players they do manage to destroy for no reason will just move over to Solo or a Private Group further driving up the numbers there which dominate the game far beyond that of OPEN Mode.
If anything...These miscreants have done more damage to their goals than anyone else could ever hope to.
[wacko]
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I wouldn't be surprised if any single activity is a minority (ie less than 50% of the playerbase identifies as that demographic). They are entitled to their opinion.
Try to read what a post says rather than the way in which it's said. I see a lot of 'this isn't good enough', which is fair comment, very little in the way of workable solutions from all sides.
I am given to understand that PvP stands for Player verses Player, correct? Not PkP Player Killing Player .... Seriously moving past my own innuendos where is the sport or sense of accomplishment in killing new players or unarmed ships? Does this give some a rush or grow hairs on their chest? If so I seriously need to take it up to cover my bald head.
They did but I've yet to hear of many taking up this offer .... so ...
tomalus in this game the FDevs are the Gods ....
This discussion is going no where and I am not contributing anything to it so I am out of here. As far as I can see there is no argument that will change the mind of some as to how they play. So the only thing you can say about Open play is
PLAYER BEWARE - ENTER AT YOUR OWN RISK
Chief
Personally I don't care what mode people play in. Open Solo PG. They should all have a similar functionality. The difference is when people want to play competitively. For PVE players, some want to just do their own thing and not compete at all if they can avoid it, fine great, Solo and PG is in perfect balance in this situation. However, other PVE players want to compete, but they don't want to do it via PVP combat. The problem here is that in doing so, they are forcing PVP players in Open who want to do a mix a PVE and PVP to instead focus entirely on PVE in order to counter shadow attacks from PG/Solo. That is forcing another group to play a way they don't want to. That's no different from PVP players saying that PVE players need to play in Open so they can be shot. Neither is a fair solution. I hope we can agree here?
That is why the only fair solution is to give a slight advantage to Open players in the PVE activities that are competitive. That way the PVP players don't have to spend all their time playing PVE just to counter an equivalent number of solo/PG PVE players who are attacking them. They will be free to do other PVP things with people that like PVP, and PVE players can stay safe, and everyone gets to play the way they want. That sounds fair doesn't it?
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Would it be fair to give primarily PvE players an inherent advantage in direct PvP so that they can be competitive against players who focus entirely on PvP?
The BGS is essentially 100% PvE. Killing other players only matters insofar as this may stop them (for a usually only very small amount of time) from doing their competing BGS work - that is if you even know that they are working against the faction you want to support, which is not always obvious.
Whether this happens in Open or Solo/Private does not make a difference there; BGS = PvE. Now it is true that in Open one may find themselves spending some time doing PvP if one is attacked by a player, but aren't we putting the cart before the horse here? A PvP players wants to play PvP. That they can experience PvP during PvE activities is not an "extra risk in their PvE".
It's the equivalent of how it is for PvE players who both trade and fight - getting interdicted by a pirate NPC during a transport mission does not detract from the mission, as I also spend a lot of time hunting pirates, so I might just as well add them to my tally. [There's the situation when they are under Magical Reputation Armor and thus I have to run instead of fight, but that is an entirely unrelated issue.]
For a PvE player who does not want to do PvP but still wants to stay in Open, getting attacked by a player during BGS activities does indeed pose an extra risk. For a PvP player in the same situation, it's just more of the thing they like doing anyway.
Now one might argue that there should be ways to advance or hinder a faction both through PvE and PvP directly, but I don't have any suggestions as to how to achieve this right now.
That seems like a theoretical understanding. In practice, 2 opposing groups playing in Open has a huge effect on the BGS outcome. This is why certain groups of terrorists and BGS mercenaries work almost exclusively in PG, for maximum effectiveness. My own Explorer group has defeated and demoralized BGS terrorists who came at us in Open, which is the only reason our much smaller group of Explorers was able to prevail, by enforcing enough Cutter rebuys to make them rethink the importance of their attack on our systems. The next time they came at us in only Solo and PG and were able to run rough shod over our systems due to their greater numbers. Same group, same number of attackers, completely different outcome.
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