So are we just not going to talk about the fact Frontier missed the point of gunner restrictions entirely?

Punished Mobius

Punished Mobius
So are we just not going to talk about the fact Frontier missed the point of gunner restrictions entirely?

OK no more SCB self destruct. A step in the right direction. A step that never should have had to be taken if they thought it out in the first place. But it still leaves guns open to be hijacked by some random. Which forces me into straight up arguments with my own crew to vacate the seat. And kick anyone who sits there. This is what your system forces me to do. To constantly kick people when I don't want to. All because you refuse to listen to our complaints about the gunner role.
Simply allow us to disable the role like I said on day one of Beta and multicrew could be a true 10/10

But until then it is nothing but frustrating fighting my own crew for control of my own guns.

I am buying a mic to yell at people...I don't want to have to do this. I hate talking to people. But it's what I have to do to maintain control of my own ship thanks to these poorly thought out mechanics.

If you listen to anything I say ever. Let it be this I am tired of being so hostile towards my own crew.
 

Zambrick

Zambrick
Punished Mobius said:
OK no more SCB self destruct. A step in the right direction. A step that never should have had to be taken if they thought it out in the first place. But it still leaves guns open to be hijacked by some random. Which forces me into straight up arguments with my own crew to vacate the seat. And kick anyone who sits there. This is what your system forces me to do. To constantly kick people when I don't want to. All because you refuse to listen to our complaints about the gunner role.
Simply allow us to disable the role like I said on day one of Beta and multicrew could be a true 10/10

But until then it is nothing but frustrating fighting my own crew for control of my own guns.

I am buying a mic to yell at people...I don't want to have to do this. I hate talking to people. But it's what I have to do to maintain control of my own ship thanks to these poorly thought out mechanics.

If you listen to anything I say ever. Let it be this I am tired of being so hostile towards my own crew.
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Then why are all your guns turreted? You want rid of the gunner role, then dont have turreted weapons on the ship.
 

Morbad

Morbad
Zambrick said:
You want rid of the gunner role, then dont have turreted weapons on the ship.
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Turrets are handy for all sorts of situations that have nothing to do with multi-crew.

I have turrets on my ship because I want guns that can point outside of a narrow cone in front of the ship and that can engage targets other than that which I'm currently engaging with my fixed weapons. This should not be incompatible with wanting to allow people into the ship to use fighters.
 

Iskariot

Iskariot
Punished Mobius said:
I am buying a mic to yell at people...I don't want to have to do this. I hate talking to people. But it's what I have to do to maintain control of my own ship thanks to these poorly thought out mechanics.
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But, but... why do player multicrew if you hate to talk to people?
I hate to talk to or deal with people too.
That is why I will never allow any human on my ship ever!
And that is why I desperately want NPC multicrew to be implemented asap.
 

Punished Mobius

Punished Mobius
Zambrick said:
Then why are all your guns turreted? You want rid of the gunner role, then dont have turreted weapons on the ship.
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Someone on reddit said exactly this. So I will give the exact response.

The only "turrets" I use are pack hounds. And either way that is a bad argument. Just because I have turrets doesn't mean that they are yours to take. That is a very entitled perspective you have. These guns belong to the helm. If the helm chooses to give you control that is fine. But they are not yours by default.
 

Vasco Sapien

Vasco Sapien
Ive not tried MC in a while... I saw after the last stress test beta that MC was still a laggy mess.

But i though you could disable the Gunner possition. This isnt the case then?
 

Punished Mobius

Punished Mobius
Vasco Sapien said:
Ive not tried MC in a while... I saw after the last stress test beta that MC was still a laggy mess.

But i though you could disable the Gunner possition. This isnt the case then?
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No it only allows limited restrictions. People can still steal the helms weapon controls and the hem is powerless to stop them. As I type this a player named skogen free has entered my gunner seat and now I must ask him to leave and kick him when he doesn't comply. For like the 75th time today...it's very frustrating.
 

Ian Skippy

Ian Skippy
Verenti said:
Why are you playing multiplayer if you don't want to let the other people actually play the game? They're just supposed to sit there and watch you play the game? Is supposed to be fun for them?
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They have to sit there, shut up and do whatever the OP wants without him telling them so. Because he doesn't like talking to people. Man, sure sounds like ship with the kind of captain I'd love to join. Oh what fun. :rolleyes:
 

Gunnet

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Perhaps they don't want the part of multicrew which (presumably) took the most work to become unused because everybody decides they only want fighter pilots on board. I agree that it would be good for the helm to be able to lock entire positions though.
 

Punished Mobius

Punished Mobius
Gunnet said:
Perhaps they don't want the part of multicrew which (presumably) took the most work to become unused because everybody decides they only want fighter pilots on board. I agree that it would be good for the helm to be able to lock entire positions though.
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I have said something similar before. That they don't want the work they put into gunner to be wasted. But the work they put into all of multi crew is going to be wasted if they don't give helm a real sense of control over their rascal crews. I am about ready to give up on multi crew like so many others have just because between this nonsense and all the infinite blue tunnels hosting causes it is more trouble than two extra pips and manned fighters could ever be worth.
 

StarfireIX

StarfireIX
Punished Mobius said:
Someone on reddit said exactly this. So I will give the exact response.

The only "turrets" I use are pack hounds. And either way that is a bad argument. Just because I have turrets doesn't mean that they are yours to take. That is a very entitled perspective you have. These guns belong to the helm. If the helm chooses to give you control that is fine. But they are not yours by default.
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Agreed, they should review the system and make it more friendly than just an unused troll system. There is more untold ways to troll with it more, but I refuse to say for the sake of FD fixing it. At the moment you can just put gimballed or fixed weapons instead. However, even with fighters, it's still broken as hell.
 

MrFailfactory

MrFailfactory
Like some other issues, I fail to understand why people keep having the expectation that Frontier should be responsible for questionable player actions.

Make some friends that share your preferred way of playing the game. Don't let fails onto your ship. Problem solved.

Riôt
 
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