Am I the only one freaked out by Salome's message?

My biggest concern as we go forward with "The Return" was that I would end up defecting to the Alliance due to the obvious "beef" between the Thargoids and the Federation and the corruption within the Empire as well. Now with the most recent audio from Salome' I find myself questioning the Alliance as well which means I guess I will hold tight with the Federation and keeping my home system with Sol...

I thought so too, at first. Then I read Premonition. The accusation of Alliance collaborating with Federation is... not really reflected in the book. It's weird how it got into the in-game message.
 
My issue is that Salomé was apparently
- extremely chatty
- deeply in love with tangent narration
- prone to forget what her "Messages" were originally supposedly about while letting her mind drift off while on [Verbose=ON]

In short : Lots of talk, extremely little useful or relevant information.
To make things worse, what little she delivered was transmitted in the most improbable and ineffective ways possible.

So even after all this long time, we basically know next-to-nothing.
- SuperPowers (Federation ahead of them all) are corrupt... No News
- big Corporations (which for the most past exist only in ASCII-only format in ELITE) are corrupt... No News
- Exodus Preparation via Project Dynasty... okay, that's something
- Universal Cartographics, Trade hubs... all pouring Credits into the same big thing (Salomé's Requiem).... *uhm* okay, what are we supposed to do then?
(cease doing it all? Uninstall the Game? Sightseeing only? Makes no sense, since the levels of interaction (or any measns to i.e. boycott them) simply don't exist in-game...)
- Rebellion against {undefined}... *uhm* again... what? How? Doesn't make any sense, because that's not how the entire Game works *lol*

Her real name is Kardashian Trump?
 
It all can be summed up in a few words : People were/are doing bad things, and I did bad things to stop them.

Posthumous justification for her actions, with little to go on.

Who did what ? We don't know and she didn't tell us.
Why did they do it ? We don't know and she didn't tell us.
What should we do to stop it ? We don't know and she didn't tell us.

So, in the end... I got nothing. I'll continue to trust in the few things that have earned it : My trigger finger, my ships, and my profit margin.
 
Hrm, what would be more fun. Continuing with how things have been the last 2+ years.... with a lore and game state that doesn't make any sense considering what Fdev have compromised to stem the complaining of players looking for fun?

Or turn the whole thing on it's head and reboot everything? Destroy the federation, empire and alliance. Redistribute territories and start with something fresh.


I'd go with option 2 because the current bubble doesn't make sense ...and has no business existing as it currently does. Burn it all down.

whether we justify it with salome's speech or not. doesn't matter. It's just convenient.
 
I would probably be freaked out by Salome's message... if I had any clue who Salome was or why I should even care about her. Unfortunately the game provided none of that information or context for me.

Yep. Aside from two posts that I read on Galnet (when I bothered to read it) and the whole HP killing her thing, I have no clue who she is, why I should care or how it affects the game.
 
It all can be summed up in a few words : People were/are doing bad things, and I did bad things to stop them.

Posthumous justification for her actions, with little to go on.

Who did what ? We don't know and she didn't tell us.
Why did they do it ? We don't know and she didn't tell us.
What should we do to stop it ? We don't know and she didn't tell us.

So, in the end... I got nothing. I'll continue to trust in the few things that have earned it : My trigger finger, my ships, and my profit margin.
Well...
To Hell with it then. :D
 
For roleplayers what Salomè amounts to is an in-character route to learning out-of-character knowledge. Which is pretty damned useful.
 
Massive book plot spoilers. Read the book before opening this spoiler.

Salomé got into a serious disagreement with the Dark Wheel. All, like, 5 of them: not the front faction, but the organisation itself (thematically, basically a proxy for FD themselves managing the storyline?).

I suppose they decided to essentially take over INRA's job after its disbanding - working behind the scenes to prep humanity for the risk of Thargoid invasion?

Apparently this is bad because they're evil and have a callous, reckless disregard for individual human life, very 'big picture' people - of course, conveniently, that also describes basically everyone else in this galaxy!

Let's just hope they weren't so overzealous at concealing information that they actually lost important information on the way - because, let's face it, they probably have tied up a few loose ends too many by accident.

This particular bunch seem to have a dislike of independent, itinerant Commanders messing up their well-laid plans, apparently having forgotten they are also part of the Pilots Federation and nothing plays chaos monkey quite like Commanders. You'd think they'd be used to that by now.

They are also bankrolling many or most of the engineers. Essentially the plot of the book is a heck of a lot of trouble to go to get a cruddy old Thargoid-reverse-engineered wake concealment module ready from Bill Turner and/or Elvira Martuuk - maybe a useful countermeasure to wake scanning, but probably not the kind of thing that will help much against angry flowers.

It seems to be somewhat sympathetic towards Arissa Lavigny-Duval's stately bearing, that Denton Patreus is at least a civilized monster, and that Princess Aisling is all about the image and can be remarkably petty but we all knew that already; and that the Fed President Hudson isn't the complete warmongering idiot he might be perceived as.

The book doesn't seem to really mention Edmund Mahon doing anything... particularly bad? Maybe I missed that bit? The Feds are worried that the Alliance is playing the Feds and Empire off against each other to clean up the spoils, but really it's the Dark Wheel - that "shadowy revolution" - and the Alliance is pretty much being manipulated just as much by them.

If the Alliance are doing anything really dodgy, it's probably in the area of the space mushroom cultivation they're doing out in their own research outpost everyone conveniently forgot about due to all the fuss over at Maia and Merope: perhaps they have been trying to engineer a new mycoid virus strain, just in case things go rapidly south. A risky, and not particularly ethical, but not unsensible strategy.

Oh, and Thargoids apparently attacked Salomé's lot during a jump, apparently old tech works better on them - maybe they didn't like their tech being borrowed? Unclear why exactly they might have attacked Luko.
 
Hrm, what would be more fun. Continuing with how things have been the last 2+ years.... with a lore and game state that doesn't make any sense considering what Fdev have compromised to stem the complaining of players looking for fun?

Or turn the whole thing on it's head and reboot everything? Destroy the federation, empire and alliance. Redistribute territories and start with something fresh.


I'd go with option 2 because the current bubble doesn't make sense ...and has no business existing as it currently does. Burn it all down.

whether we justify it with salome's speech or not. doesn't matter. It's just convenient.

I'm all for tearing everything down. That's part of the in-game lore for my faction anyway. That has nothing to do with this strange woman I know almost nothing about.

Massive book plot spoilers. Read the book before opening this spoiler.

Salomé got into a serious disagreement with the Dark Wheel. All, like, 5 of them: not the front faction, but the organisation itself (thematically, basically a proxy for FD themselves managing the storyline?).

I suppose they decided to essentially take over INRA's job after its disbanding - working behind the scenes to prep humanity for the risk of Thargoid invasion?

Apparently this is bad because they're evil and have a callous, reckless disregard for individual human life, very 'big picture' people - of course, conveniently, that also describes basically everyone else in this galaxy!

Let's just hope they weren't so overzealous at concealing information that they actually lost important information on the way - because, let's face it, they probably have tied up a few loose ends too many by accident.

This particular bunch seem to have a dislike of independent, itinerant Commanders messing up their well-laid plans, apparently having forgotten they are also part of the Pilots Federation and nothing plays chaos monkey quite like Commanders. You'd think they'd be used to that by now.

They are also bankrolling many or most of the engineers. Essentially the plot of the book is a heck of a lot of trouble to go to get a cruddy old Thargoid-reverse-engineered wake concealment module ready from Bill Turner and/or Elvira Martuuk - maybe a useful countermeasure to wake scanning, but probably not the kind of thing that will help much against angry flowers.

It seems to be somewhat sympathetic towards Arissa Lavigny-Duval's stately bearing, that Denton Patreus is at least a civilized monster, and that Princess Aisling is all about the image and can be remarkably petty but we all knew that already; and that the Fed President Hudson isn't the complete warmongering idiot he might be perceived as.

The book doesn't seem to really mention Edmund Mahon doing anything... particularly bad? Maybe I missed that bit? The Feds are worried that the Alliance is playing the Feds and Empire off against each other to clean up the spoils, but really it's the Dark Wheel - that "shadowy revolution" - and the Alliance is pretty much being manipulated just as much by them.

If the Alliance are doing anything really dodgy, it's probably in the area of the space mushroom cultivation they're doing out in their own research outpost everyone conveniently forgot about due to all the fuss over at Maia and Merope: perhaps they have been trying to engineer a new mycoid virus strain, just in case things go rapidly south. A risky, and not particularly ethical, but not unsensible strategy.

Oh, and Thargoids apparently attacked Salomé's lot during a jump, apparently old tech works better on them - maybe they didn't like their tech being borrowed? Unclear why exactly they might have attacked Luko.

My commander didn't read this book.
 
I'm not interested in anything related to Salome.

Me neither since it seems only ramming griefer gangs were predetermined to have any involvement during the 'event'.
As far as I'm concerned on the released bookcover, it should feature her killer's ugly forum avatar mug alongside her profile pic.
 
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Me neither since it seems only ramming griefer gangs were predetermined to have any involvement during the 'event'.
As far as I'm concerned on the released bookcover, it should feature her killer's ugly forum avatar mug alongside her profile pic.

I know for a fact that this misconception that's taken root in the community is absolutely ridiculous. And I know for a fact there was no pre-organisation. Drew was hoping she survived and did his best to make it so, but equally wanted CMDRs to have a decent shot at taking her out. It's ridiculous how quickly certain ideas so quickly became 'facts' when they're nothing of the sort. We live in a post-truth age where people think something and just assume that's so.
 
'I'm going to kill a load of people because a dead terrorist told me to do it.'

Said no (mainly) law-abiding citizen, ever.
 
I know for a fact that this misconception that's taken root in the community is absolutely ridiculous. And I know for a fact there was no pre-organisation. Drew was hoping she survived and did his best to make it so, but equally wanted CMDRs to have a decent shot at taking her out. It's ridiculous how quickly certain ideas so quickly became 'facts' when they're nothing of the sort. We live in a post-truth age where people think something and just assume that's so.

Assuming there was no presetup before the startoff time, it's still "absolutely ridiculous" how there was still a mess about threatening players to disarm, how soon Salome got invovled with sdc, how HP managed to be there again , and having won the drawing at the stream a month earlier , and also at the forefront over and over.

Doesn't matter to me. I am never going to buy the author's book which deserves the killer's mug on the book cover as well as the griefer gang's symbol as extra decor, although I did pick up some of the others , so shove my opinion.
 
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'I'm going to kill a load of people because a dead terrorist told me to do it.'

Said no (mainly) law-abiding citizen, ever.

But, but big bad corporation! They are evil because they are big corporations. And REASONS, I tell you reasons and the TRUTH!

Stage magicians often use an attractive, young assistant to distract the audience and prevent them from looking in the right direction.

Oh, look an attractive, young woman tells us we should really, really look in that direction because of big evil corporation.

No, don't look at the hundreds of Thargoid bases. Look at the big bad corporations.

Be a good puppet and concentrate on the attractive woman…
 
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