I haven't played since SLF was a thing and call me crazy but

but since almost everything in Elite is so stubbornly rooted in being as detailed and realistic as a space sim can be

or could it be that you have been reading too many reviews or pr crap lately?

there is indeed no reason for a python not being able to ... carry a magical 3d fighter printer. nope!
 
or could it be that you have been reading too many reviews or pr crap lately?

there is indeed no reason for a python not being able to ... carry a magical 3d fighter printer. nope!

Except that the Python is already a very powerful ship, that needs no SLF to get the job done. Make a variant, like the Keelback is to the T-6, of the Python. A Python with a smaller PD, and/or fewer hard points should make the addition better balanced than just cramming a Hanger in the current Python.
 
A carrier class ship can take fighters, it is made for doing so:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipe...59)_underway_at_sea_in_1987_(NH_97657-KN).jpg

A trading vessel can't, even if it's bigger, it's not supposed to carry fighters:
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/CPBRZIgIWHw/maxresdefault.jpg

The answer is this simple, the keelback and others are SUPPOSED to carry fighters and have the launch bay. The Python wasn't supposed to carry fighters and doesn't have the launch bay. Even if the fighter bay would fit into the Python, it wouldn't be possible to drop or launch them.

It's worth noting that my Grandfather spent most of world war 2 on aircraft carriers that had been made from "trading vessels" with a flat top whacked on them as a conversion.
- I have some very interesting stories for another time and place about that if anyone is ever interested - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Archer_(D78)
On a more game related note while a current Python with slf would probably be considered too powerfull in game balance terms - just like we have had the Cobra\Viper 4 and the Imperial Eagle , it might be interesting to see a future Python variant fitted with an slf - Alliance variant perhaps ? - would probably have to sacrifice speed\agility and perhaps 2 or more of the class 3 hardpoints ? - hey how about a Krait as it's slf if I'm theorycrafting.
Or perhaps that's the illusive "Panther Clipper" ?
and while i'm thinking about it - Moray Starboat slf for the Beluga :)
 
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Except that the Python is already a very powerful ship, that needs no SLF to get the job done. Make a variant, like the Keelback is to the T-6, of the Python. A Python with a smaller PD, and/or fewer hard points should make the addition better balanced than just cramming a Hanger in the current Python.

i didn't mean any different. i was being sarcastic about op's assumption that most decisions are based on realistic simulation. of course it's for balancing and gameplay reasons. the same reasons fighters are printable.

oh well, i'll get my helmet ...
 
i didn't mean any different. i was being sarcastic about op's assumption that most decisions are based on realistic simulation. of course it's for balancing and gameplay reasons. the same reasons fighters are printable.

oh well, i'll get my helmet ...

I hope you will excuse my mis-reading of your post. Nothing there was too insulting, and we seem to agree. A nice resolution.
 
On the brightside, when the new Hull Repair Limpets come in 2.4, the Python will have more durability due to its excellent cargo space for a Medium sized ship in which to repair itself - this will be something the Fer-de-lance won't be able to do (at least, not very well).
 
i didn't mean any different. i was being sarcastic about op's assumption that most decisions are based on realistic simulation. of course it's for balancing and gameplay reasons. the same reasons fighters are printable.

oh well, i'll get my helmet ...

I assumed as the OP stopped playing before 2.2., he was a Python owner and could not be bother to explore the game. Could be wron though.

Simon
 
It's worth noting that my Grandfather spent most of world war 2 on aircraft carriers that had been made from "trading vessels" with a flat top whacked on them as a conversion.
- I have some very interesting stories for another time and place about that if anyone is ever interested - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Archer_(D78)
On a more game related note while a current Python with slf would probably be considered too powerfull in game balance terms - just like we have had the Cobra\Viper 4 and the Imperial Eagle , it might be interesting to see a future Python variant fitted with an slf - Alliance variant perhaps ? - would probably have to sacrifice speed\agility and perhaps 2 or more of the class 3 hardpoints ? - hey how about a Krait as it's slf if I'm theorycrafting.
Or perhaps that's the illusive "Panther Clipper" ?
and while i'm thinking about it - Moray Starboat slf for the Beluga :)

Python got already nerfed in terms of speed and agility. 2 of the 3 large hardpoints sacrificing?
Another nerf and you have a Type-9. [wacko]

The Python doesn't need an SLF and will never need. Don't touch her stats, she is the only good ship in game for every task. Don't ruin her for this stupid useless fighter! :D

Wanna have a fighter? Take the Keelback or the Gunship (medium) but leave the Python alone^^
 
It's worth noting that my Grandfather spent most of world war 2 on aircraft carriers that had been made from "trading vessels" with a flat top whacked on them as a conversion.
- I have some very interesting stories for another time and place about that if anyone is ever interested - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Archer_(D78)
On a more game related note while a current Python with slf would probably be considered too powerfull in game balance terms - just like we have had the Cobra\Viper 4 and the Imperial Eagle , it might be interesting to see a future Python variant fitted with an slf - Alliance variant perhaps ? - would probably have to sacrifice speed\agility and perhaps 2 or more of the class 3 hardpoints ? - hey how about a Krait as it's slf if I'm theorycrafting.
Or perhaps that's the illusive "Panther Clipper" ?
and while i'm thinking about it - Moray Starboat slf for the Beluga :)

Moray is smaller than a Cobra, so don't hold your breath for an SLF there.
As to a Python Mk II, well that's the Boa, if we ever get it.
 
I assumed as the OP stopped playing before 2.2., he was a Python owner and could not be bother to explore the game. Could be wron though.

Simon


Actually you're only partly right. I stopped playing pre Horizons, but I actually have since built a gaming PC and got the game last week on PC and am now hooked again. I talked a few friends into getting the game also, (I had my Xbox networth transferred so I have a bunch of creds) and figured I'd set up a combat 'thon with an SLF bay so they could roll with me (without having to sidey grind) and was surprised to find I couldn't even though smaller ships have em and the module size requirement was below what is available.

Was never about need, balance, or inadequacy of any sort, just thought it was sort of strange. Anyway I didn't mean to resurrect a dead horse to beat back to death
 
Actually you're only partly right. I stopped playing pre Horizons, but I actually have since built a gaming PC and got the game last week on PC and am now hooked again. I talked a few friends into getting the game also, (I had my Xbox networth transferred so I have a bunch of creds) and figured I'd set up a combat 'thon with an SLF bay so they could roll with me (without having to sidey grind) and was surprised to find I couldn't even though smaller ships have em and the module size requirement was below what is available.

Was never about need, balance, or inadequacy of any sort, just thought it was sort of strange. Anyway I didn't mean to resurrect a dead horse to beat back to death

You can still mount the correct weapon types and have a friend in for some Gunnery through Multi-Crew.
 
You can still mount the correct weapon types and have a friend in for some Gunnery through Multi-Crew.

Cool, so I can give up the fun part of combat [noob] Nah, I'll just drop him a couple mil in meta-alloys and he can buy a viper and we can hop around. We just need to get him enough jump range to be able to set fastest route and have a fuel scoop
 
Cool, so I can give up the fun part of combat [noob] Nah, I'll just drop him a couple mil in meta-alloys and he can buy a viper and we can hop around. We just need to get him enough jump range to be able to set fastest route and have a fuel scoop

You don't have to give up all of the hard points. Just a couple to give them some fun. If it's SLF or nothing, you have the option to build an FGS up. They support SLF's, have many many hard points, and are durable.
 
Cool, so I can give up the fun part of combat [noob] Nah, I'll just drop him a couple mil in meta-alloys and he can buy a viper and we can hop around. We just need to get him enough jump range to be able to set fastest route and have a fuel scoop

Just give your mate the turrets ... 2 of the top guns, and keep the rest for yourself
 
Yeah, keep on explaining it with lore & ship design limitations! LOL

The Keelback only has a fighter bay because Frontier realised that newer players - maybe even those attracted by this headline feature - with corresponding low credits & no ranks would not have an opportunity to participate!

Possibly so.

Shame they didn't implement the feature fully by fitting an extra seat so people could get a cheap opportunity to try out multicrew with SLFs.

"But the cockpit would have to be entirely redesigned to fit another seat in there"
Really?
They couldn't have just wedged a little console somewhere in the back and bolted an airplane-style jump-seat to the wall so an MC player would have somewhere to sit in MC?
 
Simply the fact that hull and design limitations apply in-game like in real life, all the better for it. Try to fit a surf board in a full-size sedan even though some smaller cars can do it...

By this logic the T6, the T7 should also have SLF and an Anaconda should easily take a Sidewinder on-board.
 
Python got already nerfed in terms of speed and agility. 2 of the 3 large hardpoints sacrificing?
Another nerf and you have a Type-9. [wacko]

The Python doesn't need an SLF and will never need. Don't touch her stats, she is the only good ship in game for every task. Don't ruin her for this stupid useless fighter! :D

Wanna have a fighter? Take the Keelback or the Gunship (medium) but leave the Python alone^^

Wasn't suggesting changing Python at all - just suggesting a variant as we have seen with Cobra 4 etc.
 
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Moray is smaller than a Cobra, so don't hold your breath for an SLF there.
As to a Python Mk II, well that's the Boa, if we ever get it.

Aye, I know how small the Moray is - hence the idea of it as an slf - saw similar suggested to folks asking to have Krait returned to game.
Had forgotten about the Boa - now that would be interesting.
 
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