who is still considering buying a VIVE?

[Kaltern]

rift is better than vive(4 ED anyway) and almost x2 cheaper. it isn't even a competition anymore.
also, if rift is still too much there's an even better ED VR HMD - Pimax 4k

Except the Pimax is incapable of positional tracking... which makes it kinda obsolete. Sure it's not bad for basic stereoscopic 3D with tracking.. but it isn't VR per se.

The next big players with their HMD's coming out Soon(tm) will shake things up I think. The inside-out tracking will make a huge difference to the ease of setup, but how well it's going to work remains to be seen.

 

[Kaltern]

Oh, and everyone uses facebook in one way or another. It's virtually impossible to use the internet these days without bumping into it. As an experiment, I used a couple of script blockers/ad blockers to remove absolutely everything that uses the facebook API in some manner. So many site simply refused to work it was unsettling.

Personally, I don't use facebook, except for a very simple account to log into the odd site that needs it. I have zero personal information on there, and thus dataminers can do what that want with my account - I'm worth nothing to them.

It IS very sad that FB has managed to infiltrate many areas of the 'net, but it is sadly the way of things. And when it comes to hardware, I'm going to use my Rift safe in the knowledge that nothing I'm doing is being given to FB in any way - except what games I'm playing. But that doesn't actually bother me.

Google is more intrusive with it's data mining - and that's used about the same. It's a sad fact that the internet has been ruined by advertising - but you are personally responsible for the amount of information you decide to give up.

 

[vanfanel]

I never understood the facebook hate either. It always sounds so personal when someone describes their hate for it. Like facebook ran over their dog. Of course at the same time they choose to ignore anything good people in facebook do like donating $100million to education or other worthwhile causes. Or in terms of VR funding $500million to the development of content. Those are all simply ignored but when a targeted ad hits you via facebook all the sudden they're the devil.

 

[Frank]

I never understood the facebook hate either. It always sounds so personal when someone describes their hate for it. Like facebook ran over their dog. Of course at the same time they choose to ignore anything good people in facebook do like donating $100million to education or other worthwhile causes. Or in terms of VR funding $500million to the development of content. Those are all simply ignored but when a targeted ad hits you via facebook all the sudden they're the devil.

You don't understand why customers hate being called dumb? I guess for me it is a bit of a knee-jerk reaction to being insulted. But it isn't just the contempt he shows for his customers, it's also the cavalier attitude he has with their data.

You may say that it was all in the past but there'll have been quite a few of his employees that were attracted to his business because of that attitude. The strands of Facebook are now marbled through the whole of the internet and so all I can do is my best to avoid it. I'm not exactly anti-Facebook, just... cautious

 

[vanfanel]

You don't understand why customers hate being called dumb? I guess for me it is a bit of a knee-jerk reaction to being insulted. But it isn't just the contempt he shows for his customers, it's also the cavalier attitude he has with their data.

You may say that it was all in the past but there'll have been quite a few of his employees that were attracted to his business because of that attitude. The strands of Facebook are now marbled through the whole of the internet and so all I can do is my best to avoid it. I'm not exactly anti-Facebook, just... cautious

At the same time do you not acknowledge any of the good things facebook has done? I'm sure everyone's said something they regret especially at that age. Every single company has done good and bad things. This is not something that only applies to facebook and like another user said if you have a smartphone you should be more offended by what goes on behind the making of those things. But that's just the status quo and people and media choose to ignore it. If I reacted to every bad thing I might as well be living in a box. In the end I simply judge there service/product. I've been using facebook for maybe 8 or so years I can't remember. I use it to connect to family and friends. I've never had a problem with it. I've never had my personal information compromised by it and I actually prefer targeted ads. Then on to VR. I am encouraged with what they are doing in this space and will continue to support them as long as they continue to support the industry.

 

[Frank]

At the same time do you not acknowledge any of the good things facebook has done? I'm sure everyone's said something they regret especially at that age. Every single company has done good and bad things. This is not something that only applies to facebook and like another user said if you have a smartphone you should be more offended by what goes on behind the making of those things. But that's just the status quo and people and media choose to ignore it. If I reacted to every bad thing I might as well be living in a box. In the end I simply judge there service/product. I've been using facebook for maybe 8 or so years I can't remember. I use it to connect to family and friends. I've never had a problem with it. I've never had my personal information compromised by it and I actually prefer targeted ads. Then on to VR. I am encouraged with what they are doing in this space and will continue to support them as long as they continue to support the industry.

I am not anti-Facebook. I did buy a CV1 headset. It's great that you use Facebook. Well done. I'm sure it has a lot of great features you find useful. Personally I never saw the point of Facebook when it first started becoming popular here. There were other ways to keep in touch with people. And when I heard the news of how Zukerberg referred to his customers I decided I didn't want to be one of his dumb folks.

Some of the fun of being a consumer is to choose your purchases based on your own personal feelings. I didn't buy any Ratners jewellery after he rubbished it all at that conference. I didn't buy an Amstrad E-m@iler after he started to cosy up to Rupert Murdoch, whose paper I don't buy. And I didn't buy any of whatever overpriced fashion stuff Ivanka Trump makes after I found out she uses very iffy Chinese labour. The fact I didn't have any intentions of buying any of that stuff anyway had nothing to do with it <grin>

 

[Lestenio]

I am just wondering if anyone here has ordered a vive since the £/$ 399 price cut of the rift? or is this a turning point for the rift sales

I bought a Vive when they were released for room scale and have been very happy with it. But I had to move my PC rig into the living room because of a lack of space. I'm considering the CV1 so I can move my PC back to the office. So long as the Vive wireless accessorie comes soon

£399 is a pretty sweet price

 

[Red River]

Except the Pimax is incapable of positional tracking... which makes it kinda obsolete. Sure it's not bad for basic stereoscopic 3D with tracking.. but it isn't VR per se.

who cares about positional tracking in ED your cockpit is so big you don't really need it.. it's the same view outside with or without it.
the resolution difference, however, makes a big difference since everything is already too far and tiny in space.

 

[Darkfyre99]

who cares about positional tracking in ED your cockpit is so big you don't really need it.. it's the same view outside with or without it.
the resolution difference, however, makes a big difference since everything is already too far and tiny in space.

I, for one, do.

Lateral and vertical head movements are one of the many ways our brains are able to translate the 2D images our eyes see into the three dimensional world we perceive. The minute shaking our heads do, that we don't even notice consciously, is just as important to our depth perception as binocular vision is. More so, once you start talking about objects greater than three meters away.

 

[Skandy]

I, for one, do.

Lateral and vertical head movements are one of the many ways our brains are able to translate the 2D images our eyes see into the three dimensional world we perceive. The minute shaking our heads do, that we don't even notice consciously, is just as important to our depth perception as binocular vision is. More so, once you start talking about objects greater than three meters away.

This makes a huge difference for anyone prone to motion sickness. Being able to lean in or out without the entire world moving with you is a HUGE factor when it comes to immersion. Load up a rift and try not to feel dizzy with the opening splash screen. When that screen passes and the 3D and positional tracking kick in the dizziness immediately goes away. This was a big problem in the DK1 days.

 

[Filmgeek47]

I think I'm something of a rarity in that I'm a longtime vive owner who just bought the rift on sale for the exclusives (and because I'd read that elite was better in the rift). Really enjoying the rift, but I have to say in my experience that the vive tracking is much more reliable when it comes to proper roomscale. Rift can do it, but vive is a bit more consistent for me. They both have their strengths, but to those who recently bought a vive, you are still getting a tracking upgrade from the rift. That said, elite is WAY better in the rift. The concentrated pixel grid makes a surprising difference.

 

[Loworbit]

With the Oculus Rift deal you get two Constellation Sensors. You need three for proper roomscale. Just buy a third sensor and you are fine.