Possible forced in-game npcs outweighing Canonn?

[Phazon Xenomorph]

So this article appeared on my launcher from galnet:

https://community.elitedangerous.com/en/galnet/uid/59675dff6d63ab788e4904da

Really? I get that realistically there would be multiple science groups wanting to study, but outside of Palin and Ram Tah (and maybe Elvira) I wouldn't expect to hear anything big from NPCs about Thargoid discoveries. This is what the whole Canonn and GNOSIS were for. If that random NPC group makes any "breakthroughs" it's gonna at least feel to me like maybe Frontier is devaluing the players interactions and discoveries in favor of more "handwaving" to make things happen. The only thing I want to hear from this random npc group is that they were completely obliterated with zero discoveries. Maybe I'm overthinking things, but I really dislike that THAT made galnet instead of more Canonn breakthroughs.

Anyone else feel like it's forcing storytelling? Or am I just overthinking it?

 

[Habu2u]

I think it tends to feel that way for those of us that watch the forums a lot. But there are many commanders that never visit the forums and tend to get their news mostly from Galnet and the newsletters. Many of them probably don't even realize how much science goes on within the commander groups or individuals and have little to no clue who Canonn is and what they do.

 

[Bunkerkind Anni]

i somehow do expect that station to be the first to be destroyed by corrosive attacks.
you wouldn't want the gnosis to be the first big victim, do you?

btw, where is that ship at this moment anyway?

 

[Jmanis]

So this article appeared on my launcher from galnet:

https://community.elitedangerous.com/en/galnet/uid/59675dff6d63ab788e4904da

Really? I get that realistically there would be multiple science groups wanting to study, but outside of Palin and Ram Tah (and maybe Elvira) I wouldn't expect to hear anything big from NPCs about Thargoid discoveries. This is what the whole Canonn and GNOSIS were for. If that random NPC group makes any "breakthroughs" it's gonna at least feel to me like maybe Frontier is devaluing the players interactions and discoveries in favor of more "handwaving" to make things happen. The only thing I want to hear from this random npc group is that they were completely obliterated with zero discoveries. Maybe I'm overthinking things, but I really dislike that THAT made galnet instead of more Canonn breakthroughs.

Anyone else feel like it's forcing storytelling? Or am I just overthinking it?

A long long time ago back when UAs were newly discovered back when having a station sell a new type of "rare good" as a CG reward was the vogue, I submitted a CG for my group to collect UAs in order to create a "EMP Battle Weapon" good, illegal everywhere except it's origin system and anarchies. Having noticed they negatively affect stations, it seemed logical that a group would try and weaponize them (even if it only resulted in an in-game commodity).

Unfortunately it was "too close to" an upcoming CG, which was the first meta-alloy collection CG to create the Corrosion-Resistant cargo racks at the station one jump away. I really don't see the comparison of relogging repeatedly to collect an otherwise mundane item versus an item which continually corrodes your your ship, is virtually lethal at quantities over 20t and needed to be shipped over 250LY, but I digress. There's also a case that it touched on their plot too much, since surprise surprise today, we get EMP interference around vessels and these recently discovered ground sites.

Had this actually gone ahead, I would've equally submitted CGs wanting to try and use the ancient relics from the Guardian sites as a new weapons energy source (since they clearly have some power generation qualities), and perhaps a new scanning system out of ULs today. But of course, that first experience suggests that none of these suggestions would've ever gone ahead.

When the Thargoid sites were discovered recently, I did try submitting a CG to collect any of the alien artifact for some shady contact literally "just because" in order to divorce it from any story plot concerns... but honestly it's so poorly written in that regard I'd be surprised if it got up.

Groups should've been trying to weaponize this stuff a long time ago, just as a start point.

EDIT: And, historically, for me it take over a year to get a CG accepted (from receipt confirmation to it being in the game). Just one data point, but explains my recalcitrance towards CGs tied even in the least possible way to current events.

 

[z993126]

Groups should've been trying to weaponize this stuff a long time ago, just as a start point.

Why are you so focused on turning things into weapons? What about peaceful, beneficial development of technology?

 

[Cageman]

Just because you can fight, doesn't mean you can create. Give me some good examples of where you create (as in helping others).

EDIT: Non combat, btw.

 

[Jools]

I`m all for that

enough of your privileged group ruining the otherwise very limited story for everybody else

I`d rather have some in game info about in game assets than an out of game forum about out of game special snowflakes who think they are scientists (lol) for solving poorly planned and buggy DnD riddles

I`m all for the new direction, away with the cannon "researchers"

If not for your silly ideas we wouldn`t be forced to analyse audio with external tools for the fifth time, for me personally you are the problem, and NPC`s are a welcomed change

 

[Jmanis]

Just because you can fight, doesn't mean you can create. Give me some good examples of where you create (as in helping others).

EDIT: Non combat, btw.

Why are you so focused on turning things into weapons? What about peaceful, beneficial development of technology?

Sure,,,, care to try and say why that's something for my group to do? Why don't you get your group to do something peaceful?

My group's MO is definitely not one of peace. Why would I try to do the opposite of that?

It's a bit off-topic though... my point was more that there's plenty of ways players could interact, but it seems FD don't really have the appetite for it; this is fine.

 

[Ouberos]

So this article appeared on my launcher from galnet:

https://community.elitedangerous.com/en/galnet/uid/59675dff6d63ab788e4904da

Really? I get that realistically there would be multiple science groups wanting to study, but outside of Palin and Ram Tah (and maybe Elvira) I wouldn't expect to hear anything big from NPCs about Thargoid discoveries. This is what the whole Canonn and GNOSIS were for. If that random NPC group makes any "breakthroughs" it's gonna at least feel to me like maybe Frontier is devaluing the players interactions and discoveries in favor of more "handwaving" to make things happen. The only thing I want to hear from this random npc group is that they were completely obliterated with zero discoveries. Maybe I'm overthinking things, but I really dislike that THAT made galnet instead of more Canonn breakthroughs.

Anyone else feel like it's forcing storytelling? Or am I just overthinking it?

There have been suggestions that a certain group has a favoured status with regards Aliens which is isolating the storyline from the majority of the player base. Perhaps this is a way of bringing a more neutral system for discoveries and information distribution.

Of course as with all things Elite it could just be another dead end and go nowhere.

 

[Phazon Xenomorph]

There have been suggestions that a certain group has a favoured status with regards Aliens which is isolating the storyline from the majority of the player base. Perhaps this is a way of bringing a more neutral system for discoveries and information distribution.

Of course as with all things Elite it could just be another dead end and go nowhere.

Everyone knows Children of Raxxla want to do "favors" for the Thargoids, that's no secret lol. And if Frontier wants more than just the Canonn in the spotlight they should put audiograph software and stuff in-game instead of making eveyrone use third party stuff not related to Elite at all.

 

[Jmanis]

Everyone knows Children of Raxxla want to do "favors" for the Thargoids, that's no secret lol. And if Frontier wants more than just the Canonn in the spotlight they should put audiograph software and stuff in-game instead of making eveyrone use third party stuff not related to Elite at all.

The funny part is you actually don't *need* any of that to do the puzzle.

The spectrograms (both of the UP and unknown signal) are nothing more than clues to interpreting what gets emitted out of the UP or UL signals. If there's more to them, it's not known, and had no actual effect in-game yet.

When I first discovered the UA morse... I didn't need any audio software to hear and understand the morse. I did, however, need to use audio visualisation software to prove to others who either;
- Couldn't hear the morse themselves; or
- Were already convinced it was background noise, and that any claim it was morse was incorrect

... none of which has any bearing on your ability to use the information in the game.

Likewise many people can listen to the UL/UP octal signals without any audio signals and transcribe the 1's and 0's correctly.

Using audio editing/visualisation software certainly *helps* in that you can:
- slow down/amplify signals
- decrease background noise
- pause/repeat sections of audio

.. but none of this is actually required to listen to, transcribe and understand the signal. Again, the only exception is the spectrograph signals, but they don't have any fundamental use for solving the various puzzles.

Unfortunately the perception that these tools *are* required are promoted by people who take the analysis excessively "over 9000" while not actually contributing anything additional, only verifying what is already known.

tl;dr nothing in the game has actually mandated external tools to progress... they just help sometimes.

 

[Crank Larson]

Or am I just overthinking it?

Yes, at this point in time I believe you are. I think that the story is only just beginning, so we just have to see how things go. It's a big galaxy, there is room for lots of research groups (even NPCs).