CV1 Stutter RES Sites

sammyc · Jul 12, 2017

Hi all,

I've recently started to notice huge amounts of stuttering in Resource Extraction Sites when there is another player in the same instance, making it unplayable in VR.

It's unique to Res sites, only occurring whilst another player is present and it doesn't occur anywhere else.

I usually run at 2x Pixels per display but reducing this doesn't make a difference. Also, the problem is unique to the headset as the mirrored display doesn't show the stutter.

I'm going to submit a ticket but was wondering if anyone else has noticed this?

CV1
1080 FTW

[VR] Frank_G · Jul 12, 2017

Yes, the game stutters in RESites only. I run full ultra at 1.0 supersampling and 1.5 HMD quality. I am running a 1080ti and Oculus Rift CV1 with latest drivers for both Oculus and GeForce.

Budulman · Jul 13, 2017

Actually it stutters in and around stations with big trafic as well for me.

[VR] Mad Mike · Jul 13, 2017

is this not just areas of higher strain on your machine and you are just running at too high a detail?

have you tried lowering settings? i find in a RES, esp ice ones, ASW is working overtime on my rig, and ASW is not great in ED.

edit... hmm op says reducing settings does not fix.

sorry i got nothin else

Budulman · Jul 13, 2017

Yup, reducing setting does not work for me. I tried lot of settings combinations and nothing had some visible effect.
My case with big traffic is not with other players only, but with NPCs only as well...

sammyc · Jul 17, 2017

It seems (hopefully) that the issue has stopped. I'm really not sure what was happening, frame rates are back up to a solid 90fps again and the only stuttering I receive is for a few seconds after I jump into a station whilst it loads everything.

Windows had a pending update to install whilst I was playing so maybe something to do with that.

I still use the Oculus Debug Tool and set it to 2x and force ASW off.

CylonSurfer · Jul 17, 2017

sammyc said:
It seems (hopefully) that the issue has stopped. I'm really not sure what was happening, frame rates are back up to a solid 90fps again and the only stuttering I receive is for a few seconds after I jump into a station whilst it loads everything.

Windows had a pending update to install whilst I was playing so maybe something to do with that.

I still use the Oculus Debug Tool and set it to 2x and force ASW off.

lol - No wonder you have issues - 2x SS is way to high for any rig to provide you with a solid 90FPS!! Besides, it has been said by Oculus that anything over about 1.5 is not noticable any way (unless the app runs below 1.0 to begin with). I'd honestly tone that down, you are dropping your performance for no gain what so ever.

HeavyGroovez · Jul 17, 2017

I force ASW ON for Elite and set 1.5 x pixel density (1080 @ stock clocks + i5 6600k @ 4.4GHz) in the debug tool.

This will eliminate juddering but you do get some ASW ghosting.

The compositor frequently drops frames when transitioning from non ASW to ASW which causes judder.

Wasp0 · Jul 17, 2017

This is a Game issue??

I get stuttering in Res and Stations on VR and Monitor playing

Loworbit · Jul 17, 2017

Stuttering on a monitor? I have 144fps (limited to monitor framerate) in open play rez and stations?!?
I only use a GTX 980 ti with an i5 6600K...

Wasp0 · Jul 17, 2017

Loworbit said:
Stuttering on a monitor? I have 144fps (limited to monitor framerate) in open play rez and stations?!?
I only use a GTX 980 ti with an i5 6600K...

Yes it is a known bug, and i get it with my 1080Ti/i7/ssd. Apparently not everyone gets this but AFAIK FD are aware of it (Bug Report)

Edit: No7 on this list of known but unaddressed bugs:

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...-Current-List-and-Status?highlight=stuttering

The Lawful · Jul 17, 2017

I noticed the same when playing in wings in the hazres during the last CG and turned the HMI Quality setting down to 1.25 (IIRC that setting does the same as the debug tool now). Frame rates seem go down whenever a lot of complex objects (ships) have to be rendered, lots of plain asteroids seem not to be the culprit. Lowering the settings, in particular ambient occlusion and shadows and turning down supersampling to 1.0 seemed to help for me (i7-7700K, Asus Strix 1070GTX OC to 1850 Mhz).

O7,
[noob]

HeavyGroovez · Jul 17, 2017

Wasp0 said:
This is a Game issue??

I get stuttering in Res and Stations on VR and Monitor playing

Yeah, its a game issue that is further exacerbated in VR.

sammyc · Jul 17, 2017

TheLawful said:
I noticed the same when playing in wings in the hazres during the last CG and turned the HMI Quality setting down to 1.25 (IIRC that setting does the same as the debug tool now). Frame rates seem go down whenever a lot of complex objects (ships) have to be rendered, lots of plain asteroids seem not to be the culprit. Lowering the settings, in particular ambient occlusion and shadows and turning down supersampling to 1.0 seemed to help for me (i7-7700K, Asus Strix 1070GTX OC to 1850 Mhz).

O7,
[noob]

Is there any gain using either the debug tool or in game settings?

sammyc · Jul 17, 2017

CylonSurfer said:
lol - No wonder you have issues - 2x SS is way to high for any rig to provide you with a solid 90FPS!! Besides, it has been said by Oculus that anything over about 1.5 is not noticable any way (unless the app runs below 1.0 to begin with). I'd honestly tone that down, you are dropping your performance for no gain what so ever.

I'm not sure what's funny? Occasionally my frames drop to 45 when entering a station but they soon pick up to 90 again. Personally I DO see a difference between 1.5x and 2.0x so I am more than happy with these settings. I don't even notice when ASW kicks in.

CylonSurfer · Jul 17, 2017

sammyc said:
I'm not sure what's funny?

What is funny is that you are using settings way over what any GPU / CPU combo can manage and come asking about stutter in RES sites.

sammyc said:
I DO see a difference between 1.5x and 2.0x,

Yeah its called a placebo. Oculus even state this themselves.

sammyc said:
Occasionally my frames drop to 45 when entering a station but they soon pick up to 90 again.

How odd as you said this earlier:

sammyc said:
I still use the Oculus Debug Tool and set it to 2x and force ASW off.

If ASW was off, you wouldn't see dips to 45FPS, you would just see dips to any number. ASW is still on mate.

Not trying to be nasty - just stating the obvious. That being you have your SS set way too high and for no gain at all.

The Lawful · Jul 17, 2017

sammyc said:
Is there any gain using either the debug tool or in game settings?

Who knows exactly? https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/300934-HMD-Image-Quality

From what I get, the HMD Quality setting is said to use the same Oculus API function as the debug tool. Beyond that, the experts are divided.

Basically, I use CTRL+F on the control window to get a rough estimate about the render performance. 99% it's either 90fps or 45fps, ASW kicking in I guess. Then, in-station, I just check some screens etc. and see if I feel the slightest bit uneasy (way before getting headaches or sth) after some time. Same with BH zones, planet ports or Thargoid wreckage sites (fps drops big time near the center of the central edifice). If I do, I turn something down and try again. And I monitor the GPU load over time via ASUS's tool. If it's not 99% at some point, there's still headroom.

O7,
[noob]