Who care about player minor faction?

[Ralph Vargr]

Correct. Systems ALWAYS have to have a population of at least one. If not, it will be auto-rejected when we run the script to import factions.

Colonia systems are added on an entirely different system and basis.


Many desired-systems are now on the blacklist from being used. Many of the older/originally added player factions did not succumb to these restrictions and extensive checks.

Understood.

But, what if my faction is only one person...

There needs to be a standard on how many players support the faction being added. And, it has to be posted on the forum (number of players, not names).

You won't ever get a faction added to a first discovered system, unless it's very near Colonia. PMFs are only ever added to systems that already have populations, at least one outpost and several existing NPC minor factions.

I'm actually surprised that FD have taken so long adding some of these factions, considering how careless they are when they do add player factions. They have added factions with very stupid names, e.g. Space Poultry. They have broken permit systems, e.g. Phekda. They have erased rare goods, e.g. Wolf Fesh. They have given away some of the largest systems in the game, e.g. He Bo. They have even proved that they don't learn from past mistakes, e.g. Gilya.

Thanks, Lizard. Out of rep, sorry.

 

[Danieros]

This is a very sad story. I really do hope you guys get your PMF in-game, and wish that FDev could improve this process. A player going through this process many times over the past 5 months to get their faction isn't acceptable at all.

 

[Brett C]

Understood.

But, what if my faction is only one person...

There needs to be a standard on how many players support the faction being added. And, it has to be posted on the forum (number of players, not names).



Thanks, Lizard. Out of rep, sorry.

So about the minimum amount of players to a minor faction. After the July batch is finished being reprocessed, we will no longer accept player group minor factions having 9 or less users. All future applying minor factions will be required to have 10 or more commanders to the group.

 

[Brett C]

naming isnt the problem, nearbly pmf isnt too. the problem was the fact i make my request on March. not on July, my first request tesla corporation was on March. now i have resumbit on 11 july as tethys empire crew, but now all gone. other 6 months of waiting. Why they dont contact us for choice another name in substitution of Tesla Corporation? fast, easy, and now we can enjoy our pmf and i didnt make that salty post.

Your application was one of 400+ applications to be a minor faction during that time. The time it took to process the sheer amount of those factions this time around was a vertical wall. In seasons past/years past, we didn't have such a massive spike of minor faction applications flowing in, originally was looking at 30 per batch.

 

[Limoncello Lizard]

Brett

Can you comment on the player faction that was added to Gilya recently. Is there any check to see if illegal rare goods systems are given away to factions that will block them?

That's at least 3 so far, though the faction in 9 Aurigae doesn't control the rare goods station.

edit - 9 Aurigae

 

[Brett C]

Brett

Can you comment on the player faction that was added to Gilya recently. Is there any check to see if illegal rare goods systems are given away to factions that will block them?

That's at least 3 so far, though 9 the faction in Aurigae doesn't control the rare goods station.

I don't know off the top of my head on the exacts of it. I know some systems are hard-set and marked as reserved or restricted, but i am unsure if that carries over to particular goods.

 

[Gunnet]

So about the minimum amount of players to a minor faction. After the July batch is finished being reprocessed, we will no longer accept player group minor factions having 9 or less users. All future applying minor factions will be required to have 10 or more commanders to the group.

Interesting. So unless I'm mistaken, this will be the first feature of ED which is available to player groups while not being at least theoretically available to an independent CMDR.

Will PMFs be disbanded if a group fails to maintain the requisite number of members, or is it a one-time requirement?

 

[Brett C]

Interesting. So unless I'm mistaken, this will be the first feature of ED which is available to player groups while not being at least theoretically available to an independent CMDR.

Will PMFs be disbanded if a group fails to maintain the requisite number of members, or is it a one-time requirement?

As it stands, initial registration check only.

Granted, that's probably going to open up a can of worms now with me stating that when people go to register a faction and pad / falsify numbers. :/

 

[Athan]

Interesting. So unless I'm mistaken, this will be the first feature of ED which is available to player groups while not being at least theoretically available to an independent CMDR.

It's not like a PMF actually gives the Cmdrs anything other than chosen name and system map blurb. Any Cmdr is free to adopt, in action, any MF in the game to the same ends as a named PMF.

We can hope that at some point in the future this is no longer true, with a little more direct control over a PMF.

 

[Brett C]

It's not like a PMF actually gives the Cmdrs anything other than chosen name and system map blurb. Any Cmdr is free to adopt, in action, any MF in the game to the same ends as a named PMF.

We can hope that at some point in the future this is no longer true, with a little more direct control over a PMF.

We stopped permitting Faction Adoptions a looooong time ago.

 

[Gunnet]

As it stands, initial registration check only.

Granted, that's probably going to open up a can of worms now with me stating that when people go to register a faction and pad / falsify numbers. :/

I wouldn't sweat it. People were probably going to quickly notice the 100% incidence of groups with fewer than ten members having their applications fail anyway.

It's not like a PMF actually gives the Cmdrs anything other than chosen name and system map blurb. Any Cmdr is free to adopt, in action, any MF in the game to the same ends as a named PMF.

We can hope that at some point in the future this is no longer true, with a little more direct control over a PMF.

I just thought it was a significant milestone worth mentioning.

I for one certainly hope the mainly cosmetic nature of PMFs doesn't change in the future. Particularly in light of this new development.

 

[Limoncello Lizard]

I don't know off the top of my head on the exacts of it. I know some systems are hard-set and marked as reserved or restricted, but i am unsure if that carries over to particular goods.

What has happened is a democratic faction has been injected into Gilya, they will inevitably control the system. The rare good weapon is illegal in independent democracies, so Gilya Signature Weapons will disappear forever exactly the same way that Wolf Fesh has.

 

[Athan]

We stopped permitting Faction Adoptions a looooong time ago.

I meant "pick a MF, start working for it", not anything official.

 

[clinton]

Tesla Corporation was rejected due to a potential IP collision with Tesla Inc. A car manufacturer. There is no way around that issue with the name of Tesla in it.

So I guess my "Disney McDonald's" faction might run into some issues?

 

[Mrjupp]

Yet Gilya has just been given to a player faction that will make the rare good permanently unavailable.

You are joking I hope! @Brett C mate! Gilya Signature Weapons, a rare trade commodity and the system is given to a PMF? I understood that PMF could not automatically inherit a system with a rare except under special circumstances or via general BGS movement into the system. That's because of previous issues when PMF were placed anywhere.

If a PMF has been given Gilya and the weapon therefore becomes unavailable owing to their faction type, then it's a poor show. It took a community effort to liberate Gilya Signature Weapons.

 

[lollo1572]

naming isnt the problem, nearbly pmf isnt too. the problem was the fact i make my request on March. not on July, my first request tesla corporation was on March. now i have resumbit on 11 july as tethys empire crew, but now all gone. other 6 months of waiting. Why they dont contact us for choice another name in substitution of Tesla Corporation? fast, easy, and now we can enjoy our pmf and i didnt make that salty post.

So Brett:
Will we have our Faction (Tethys Empire Crew) on August after FIVE months or have to wait other XX months?

Changing name seems to me not so complicate......

 

[Limoncello Lizard]

You are joking I hope! @Brett C mate! Gilya Signature Weapons, a rare trade commodity and the system is given to a PMF? I understood that PMF could not automatically inherit a system with a rare except under special circumstances or via general BGS movement into the system. That's because of previous issues when PMF were placed anywhere.

If a PMF has been given Gilya and the weapon therefore becomes unavailable owing to their faction type, then it's a poor show. It took a community effort to liberate Gilya Signature Weapons.

Sadly, I'm not joking. When I first saw it, I felt like rage quitting.

The Fireflies is an independent democracy that now has Gilya as their home system. Last I checked they were just about to take the outpost and they were already ahead of Gilya Law, but close enough to have the option of going either up or down to challenge for the system. The rate they are going, it won't take them much more than a week to take Gilya. So next weekend, all our effort last year will have been in vain.

The player group has been talked to. They didn't know they were being placed in a rare goods system where they would make it illegal. They are open to negotiation, as they don't want to make enemies by blocking the rare good. But the BGS may not give them much of a choice.

edit - I've made a suggestions thread Don't inject player groups in rare goods systems, one of the Fireflies has responded.

 

[lollo1572]

So about the minimum amount of players to a minor faction. After the July batch is finished being reprocessed, we will no longer accept player group minor factions having 9 or less users. All future applying minor factions will be required to have 10 or more commanders to the group.

Imo 50+ is better...... Universe in full of PMF abandoned.

 

[Mrjupp]

We have 39 and are active, having expanded into two Quadrants.

 

[Mrjupp]

Sadly, I'm not joking. When I first saw it, I felt like rage quitting.

The Fireflies is an independent democracy that now has Gilya as their home system. Last I checked they were just about to take the outpost and they were already ahead of Gilya Law, but close enough to have the option of going either up or down to challenge for the system. The rate they are going, it won't take them much more than a week to take Gilya. So next weekend, all our effort last year will have been in vain.

The player group has been talked to. They didn't know they were being placed in a rare goods system where they would make it illegal. They are open to negotiation, as they don't want to make enemies by blocking the rare good. But the BGS may not give them much of a choice.

edit - I've made a suggestions thread Don't inject player groups in rare goods systems, one of the Fireflies has responded.

It's not the fault of the Fireflies. Now if Frontier made Gilya Signature Weapons (would require full update) legal in the Gilya jurisdiction regardless of minor faction in charge, that would do. Alternatively then Frontier need to whitelist Fireflies as an addition to Gilya Law Party for the production of rares.