Anti griefer CG suicide-winder interdiction units...

I prefer this.

Visit any community goal, enter the station return to surface. Alt-tab and get on with something else when you hear explosions alt-tab back and have a look (this is why you are at the surface). If you see people ramming, dropping mines, doing the torpedo thing, target one add him to your block list, alt-tab check you-tube for the same CMDR griefing and grab the names of anyone flying with him, pencil them into your to be blocked list. Go AFK for an extended period when you come back check your contacts list and block any of the names on your list it has grabbed.

You can hurry this process up by assuming anyone whose avatar has clown face paint, neon hair and a purple exhaust is a griefer (check you-tube first).

Congratulations you've just fixed Elite Dangerous.

LOL.. Flawless! :)
 
I don't think bulk trading makes sense - assuming credits are the goal - even in a Private Group where the only other members are bored combat pilots who will interdict every NPC pirate in every system you pass through for free, so that you can replace your entire ship with cargo holds and fly uninterrupted to every station.

Cargo missions - if you can find a system which generates them in decent numbers to a limited set of destinations (plenty of those around) - can pay out 10k/tonne or more for single-jump trips. At any size of ship, they're the better option - to the extent that I'm fairly confident I can make more per hour doing cargo missions in my Python (capacity 192 tonnes) than a Cutter pilot can do from bulk trade.

I found this not to be the case when I tried it back when I first got a Cutter. The consensus of opinion was that the Python was better so I tried it keeping a spreadsheet of my earnings for both Python and Cutter. After about a week the Cutter was winning hands down 3 to 1. Mind you, I had found a very profitable one jump A-B-A route that got me around 15m CR per hour in the Cutter and the Python just could not match it. The main gain was in the fact that I could just do 6 trips an hour with the Cutter whereas with the Python I had to search through the trades and missions at each stop to find the best ones and was just not able to match the sheer bulk power of the Cutter.

"Again" suggests a lapse where I have not been drinking, so could you rephrase your question please :)

Fair point. Maybe you do have Scottish blood :)
 
Stop claiming they own what they don't.

Not only do they not own the game, there isn't any way for them to even play it by themselves. What you and I do affects others.

I can see how one could mistake ownership of a physical object for the ownership of the information contained there in, but with something like Steam, there shouldn't even be that level of confusion. Valve can unilaterally deny access to anyone's Steam library for any reason, there isn't even a vague pretense for your ownership of anything you've purchased through it.

Nobody cares about all that inconsequential rubbish, reading the small print is a great idea for a mortgage application or something similarly real world important. But we are just talking about a video game it's trivial. I've bought it, it's in my collection and I own it.

The only way my block list could be effecting others is by preventing them being instanced with cheats or griefers, in which case I just did them a favour. It could also prevent griefers/cheats from being able to wing up but I don't care about that.
 
I can see how one could mistake ownership of a physical object for the ownership of the information contained there in, but with something like Steam, there shouldn't even be that level of confusion. Valve can unilaterally deny access to anyone's Steam library for any reason, there isn't even a vague pretense for your ownership of anything you've purchased through it.

If valve did that to me I'd be straight to UK trade laws and suing their butts. I have "purchased" the right to play those games and short of steam going belly up they have NO right to stop me and I would fight that in a court of law.

Yes we don't own the "code" just like we don't "own" the music we buy, but the deal of "purchase" is that we OWN the rights to play the games and the music, denying that is against UK trade laws. Because the second I can't play a game on steam is the second it is not fit for purpose.

I just don't understand the pedantry on this subject.
 
Of course it does, it's free. Can't give something away and expect people to take care of it.

Unless you mean the sidey understands it, then you're clearly just delusional and talking to your spaceship.
Uhm ... I meant the Sidey gets killed a lot yeah, on the other hand I do indeed talk to my spaceships, it would be rude not to, since they also talk to me.
 

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Uhm ... I meant the Sidey gets killed a lot yeah, on the other hand I do indeed talk to my spaceships, it would be rude not to, since they also talk to me.

Me to! She's called Astra!... But Alexa sometimes answers instead... She does that a lot.. Especially frustrating when she gives me my news flash briefing, after I asked Astra to deploy landing gear... Then Siri butts in...

OMG I'm surrounded by digital women. Luckily I have my Daughter, and missus.. But then I yield 'Man of the house' to the cat, I let him sort them all out. He rules with an iron paw. Much tougher than I.


I need coffee. brb...
 
I don't think bulk trading makes sense…
That's why I wrote "bulk trading is already more of a hobby…"

It should make sense in my opinion. It should be a very high profit activity.

I agree that missions often are a much better way to earn credits, but even there the PvP balance causes problems. I often see cargo missions that require a Python with large cargo space, but adding the required modules for potential PvP situations reduce the cargo space and therefore those missions can't be done in Open Mode with those "combat effective Python" builds.

The whole ship and module balance, bulk trading and missions don't make that much sense after FD trying to adjust the game for the current situation in Open.

(All the "make money quickly"-methods don't help, they make the problem even worse.)
 
The only way my block list could be effecting others is by preventing them being instanced with cheats or griefers, in which case I just did them a favour. It could also prevent griefers/cheats from being able to wing up but I don't care about that.

It should be clear that not everyone has precisely the same standards and claiming to be doing others a favor by making it harder for those who are unfortunate enough to be instanced with you to instance with those whom you have unilaterally declared unfit to play with is about the worst sort of thing I can envision one player doing to another in a multi-player game. It's both grieving of the highest order and were it not (to their discredit) condoned by Frontier, I'd consider it a cheat itself.

I'd block your CMDR in game myself, but that would simply exacerbate the instancing issues you are helping to perpetuate, and we have far more than enough of that already.

the second I can't play a game on steam is the second it is not fit for purpose.

Something you should have considered before patronizing Valve and using their Steam client.

The odds of them just denying you access on a whim is quite small, but you absolutely did agree to terms to that effect.

I just don't understand the pedantry on this subject.

The degree of ownership one actually has is the crux of the argument some people seem to use to impose their whims on others.

Stigbob, for example, seems to think that because he paid for access that he can play the game, in Open, and try to carve out his own group by attempting to arbitrarily exclude others with the block list.

That's banning for cheating though, that could be argued in a court of law as you say because of EULA/TOS.

The EULAs and ToS almost always include clauses that allow them to refuse service at will. No doubt that some of these aren't enforceable in some areas, but many of them are at least as enforceable as banning for cheating.
 
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I think I disagree. ;)

Too late!

Helps me optimize my work conduct :

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It should be clear that not everyone has precisely the same standards and claiming to be doing others a favor by making it harder for those who are unfortunate enough to be instanced with you to instance with those whom you have unilaterally declared unfit to play with is about the worst sort of thing I can envision one player doing to another in a multi-player game. It's both grieving of the highest order and were it not (to their discredit) condoned by Frontier, I'd consider it a cheat itself.

I'd block your CMDR in game myself, but that would simply exacerbate the instancing issues you are helping to perpetuate, and we have far more than enough of that already.



Something you should have considered before patronizing Valve and using their Steam client.

The odds of them just denying you access on a whim is quite small, but you absolutely did agree to terms to that effect.



The degree of ownership one actually has is the crux of the argument some people seem to use to impose their whims on others.

Stigbob, for example, seems to think that because he paid for access that he can play the game, in Open, and try to carve out his own group by attempting to arbitrarily exclude others with the block list.



The EULAs and ToS almost always include clauses that allow them to refuse service at will. No doubt that some of these aren't enforceable in some areas, but many of them are at least as enforceable as banning for cheating.

And since the block list was provided by FD for the single purpose of being able to block people, Stigbob, and commanders like him, are quite entitled to do exactly that.
 
And since the block list was provided by FD for the single purpose of being able to block people, Stigbob, and commanders like him, are quite entitled to do exactly that.

Not something that was ever in question.

He's allowed to do this because Frontier allows him to do this, not because he owns anything.
 
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