Star Citizen Thread v6

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Cmdr Eagleboy

Cmdr Eagleboy
Ohhh 3.0 at Gamescom...
Which year it is? Should be 2016...
That's some strong deja vu if you ask me.

Edit: but if they will release something this time i will check out videos.
 
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Stigbob

Stigbob
CHAIRMAN "Yes, and, and, and the wheel. What about this wheel thingy? Sounds a terribly interesting project to me."

MARKETING GIRL "Er, yeah, well we’re having a little, er, difficulty here…"

FORD "Difficulty?! It’s the single simplest machine in the entire universe!"

MARKETING GIRL "Well alright mister wise guy, if you’re so clever you tell us what colour it should be!"
 

Thargon

Thargon
Stigbob said:
CHAIRMAN "Yes, and, and, and the wheel. What about this wheel thingy? Sounds a terribly interesting project to me."

MARKETING GIRL "Er, yeah, well we’re having a little, er, difficulty here…"

FORD "Difficulty?! It’s the single simplest machine in the entire universe!"

MARKETING GIRL "Well alright mister wise guy, if you’re so clever you tell us what colour it should be!"
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Oh its in white, no wonder. I thought it was an empty post!
 

Wylie28

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Toumal said:
https://www.polygon.com/2016/8/19/12559536/star-citizen-version-30
"Expected to hit end of 2016"
And this is not the first time, mind you. Remember when Star Marine was "weeks, not months" from release? Then it was canceled, then CR said it's "already in the game", then a year later it was said to "maybe get developed after all", and then eventually released as the barebone shooter demo it is?



That's exactly it. They have no problem announcing delays, just as they have no problem announcing unrealistic release dates. And CR even blamed the fans for the dates he himself announced. Remember when Squadron 42 said "Coming 2016"?



I have plenty of criticisms about ED. However as imperfect as it is, ED is a released game and it was started around the time SC started, and look where they are now. This whole ED vs SC argument is getting super old. What you don't seem to grasp is that I want a game like SC. I think the vision is awesome. It's just that CIG has shown time and again that they don't really know what they are doing.



SC started development in 2011. This is information from Chris Roberts himself. So unless you know more about the development timeline than Chris Roberts himself, we are now in the 6th year of development.



Exactly. Let's compare concept art with concept art:

https://www.vrfocus.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/Elite-Dangerous-Horizons-ART-1.jpg

Oh snap! Except you can't play concept art. Let's wait and see if the SC buggy is anywhere near as fun to drive as the SRV.
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Thats just proof there was a delay. They did expect it to releast 2016. But they have also openly admitted to all delays and the reasons for them. Posting that a delay wasnt the original plan, which is obvious its what delay means, is not proof they dont announce delays. Try again.
 

[VR] Merkir

[VR] Merkir
Wylie28 said:
Thats just proof there was a delay. They did expect it to releast 2016. But they have also openly admitted to all delays and the reasons for them. Posting that a delay wasnt the original plan, which is obvious its what delay means, is not proof they dont announce delays. Try again.
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They announced in August 2016 that it would be released December 2016. That's 4 months. It's now been 11+ months. I don't believe "they did expect it to release 2016". If you believe that then you must believe they are completely incompetent when it comes to project management and resourcing/scope estimations. The only other credible alternative is that they knew, and lied.

And just so you know where I sit, I consider myself a completely independent observer in the SC saga. I have zero monetary or emotional investment, but I do want it to launch and be a success so that I can partake in what might be a great game.
 
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Zetta

Zetta
Yeah there was no way they expected to deliver it in 2016. Roberts said that purely because he had nothing else to show and he wanted fans to be looking forward rather than scrutinisng how little they had delivered over 2016. They also stood to make large financial gains from yet more promises.
If they honestly expected to deliver it in 2016 why were they only drawing up plans in January '17?

Anyone who ignores all the evidence to the contrary is either being willfully ignorant or is extremely gullible, and considering how much money some people have dropped on the "vision™" I'm siding with the latter more than the former.
 
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Skizomeuh

Skizomeuh
Wylie28 said:
Thats just proof there was a delay. They did expect it to releast 2016. But they have also openly admitted to all delays and the reasons for them. Posting that a delay wasnt the original plan, which is obvious its what delay means, is not proof they dont announce delays. Try again.
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Wow. It's not rose tinted glasses anymore... We're reaching rose tinted blinkers level.
 

Garix

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VidarSnipes said:
I think it's just the inability to admit to being wrong on the Internet.
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Obligatory XKCD...

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frostypaw

frostypaw
Is it not time to remember why we even get the development schedule reports?

Was that something CIG was always doing, or were they pressured and forced into putting them out because the development process was anything but transparent and open?

This is of course all rhetorical. Cannot wait for 3.0 - few months then until we get planetside farming! Woot!
 

Rolan

Rolan
Wylie28 said:
Thats just proof there was a delay. They did expect it to releast 2016. But they have also openly admitted to all delays and the reasons for them. Posting that a delay wasnt the original plan, which is obvious its what delay means, is not proof they dont announce delays. Try again.
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Did they announced the delay of SM or why it happened? (I'm talking in that moment, not the interview a magazine made more than a year later)

Communication is not CIG's best skill...

P.D.- Did they explained why 3.0 was not ready in christmas? or why they thought they could even say they wanted to launch it then? Because more than 6 months of delays in a patch is not something trivial.
 
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MTBFritz

MTBFritz
Rolan said:
Did they announced the delay of SM or why it happened? (I'm talking in that moment, not the interview a magazine made more than a year later)

Communication is not CIG's best skill...

P.D.- Did they explained why 3.0 was not ready in christmas? or why they thought they could even say they wanted to launch it then? Because more than 6 months of delays in a patch is not something trivial.
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The fans came up with explanations and spread it so "everybody" knows why it didnt arrive on dez 2016 but I dont remember CiG making an official statement about it (they only mentioned "blockers" a few times and their most trusted fans took it from there). Hell when their own forum started to become a pressure point with an insanely large thread demanding one and giving more insight CRoberts took his sweet time to respond (and that was in april? Thred started in 2016). Probably waited to see if the special snowflakes died down or his trusted minions could destroy the thread before it raised too much attention. There has been a temporary thread delete which was 2 days later excused as a "forum bug" and (because I followed that thread) the thread only persisted through the inhuman and daggerlike focus of its OP who was not getting lured into personal attacks and distractions but managed to stay on track getting more and more support the longer it stayed. There was a poll linked to it which showed a very clear picture (and supports the theory that there are only like 2000 whales) about backers attitude.

In the end, yes, CRoberts realized he "had" to respond before this blows up in his face. One of the first instances I saw where backers held real power over CiG. Its just a shame that these people are too good-natured and accepted his weak offering (a schedule report which will give complete insight over whats going on at any given moment). So he beat a riot then just in hindsight the schedule report doesnt offer any more understanding or insight into SCs workings because they are talking about theoretical things only so its rather more of a hype tool then anything else. Like before this tool the only thing backers can do is wait and see what the actual release brings.

I also remember in that thread that the ultras fought the very idea tooth and nail.

- how dare you question the mastermind?
- CiG cant respond to every little whim of a nobody
- this will only put more strain on the team and endanger the making of the game
- you are DS in disguise
- we dont need this, CRoberts will deliver....soon

It was an epic thread.

But nowadays the schedule report, the very thing ultras tried to prevent is now held up as proof to the "most open development ever" and how CRoberts does everything in his power to appease spoiled little kids whining about anything all day long. Never mind that this tool was a hard-fought-over and well earned achievement and that these ultras now pull a complete 180 claiming it as one of their OWN instead. It just makes me realize with what kind of people I interact sometimes. They will lie, they will do almost anything (including fabricating nonsense and personal attacks) in order to "score" and they dont have an opinion of their own...at least none they care to share.

I remember very often how "SC defenders" here in this forum were asked directly about their own opinions and expectations and the response was always very vague and as non-committing as possible. Nothing was given that could bite them in the tush later. So its not about the game in that case, its all about arguing with people and creating drama. But the people who DO wants answers and have very clear expectations are accused of doing that. Its a mud-fest and its incredibly tiresome on Reddit or Spectrum. Theres only a select few places where discussing the game is actually possible. No...I dont mean "praising" and "basking in fantasy" by that. I mean actually discussing Star Citizen in its current form and talking about the course the company takes. And I m sorry to say but if people think that the frontier thread is a "hater thread" and only used to ridicule CiG and spew lies and accusations then I would like to remember everybody that this place looks the way CiG shapes it. The people in here are willing to listen to arguments and will evaluate points made. Any proof or evidence that could grant SC or CiG credit is welcome....it just needs to be true and not some fantasy or complete lie or opinion. The ridicule CIG gets in this place is also well deserved regarding their track record where things were changed, dropped, sold as the best thing since bottled water and whatnot.

The frontier forum is IMO a neutral and distanced observer. We dont get any more information then everybody else.....we just "dare" to question motive and results and compare it with other things. Somehow this is a bad thing for the development of Star Citizen expected to be the Best Damn Space Simulator Ever.......
 

Asp Explorer

Asp Explorer
MTBFritz said:
I remember very often how "SC defenders" here in this forum were asked directly about their own opinions and expectations and the response was always very vague and as non-committing as possible.
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I also remember "SC defenders" claiming quite outrageous levels of performance and amazing content that was quite clearly not in the actual client.

When offered logs, screenshots etc, for comparison and technical review, the response was always either "you have a potato PC" or "you are fabricating logs" or "well I was too busy having fun to log or take screenshots myself" and the absolutely delightful "I run a different client version, I'm special"
 

PiLhEaD

PiLhEaD
Wylie28 said:
Thats just proof there was a delay. They did expect it to releast 2016. But they have also openly admitted to all delays and the reasons for them. Posting that a delay wasnt the original plan, which is obvious its what delay means, is not proof they dont announce delays. Try again.
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Pull the other one mate, it's got bells on it!

They were still announcing in December 2016 that they'd release in December 2016, and only when nothing arrived did they say that they needed to make a plan for 3.0.

So they didn't have a plan but were committing to a delivery date. That's so stupid and unprofessional it's not even funny.

The other alternatives are that they had a plan that even weeks before release didn't show that 3.0 wasn't ready. Or they had a plan, knew they couldn't make the December date but just lied. Again, stupid and unprofessional is a polite reading.
 
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