Star Citizen Thread v6

[Almighty Bob]

Excellent!

I had a great time too! Especially when pulling off the actually "dropping" maneuver. Had to think about cover for the marines, approach and cover for the ship, and clear line of fire for the turret. It got tense!

Yes its that good now, hopefully 3.0 will add 7+ missions including on moons so the opportunities for improved gameplay are there

I will not ask you for your RSI handle here ( there are 3 with names similar to yours). But if I see any of them in the verse I will ask if it you. I generally hang out in test Squadron Discord, its worth joining if only as an affiliate right now there are 16 people in chat and some days and every weekend groups get together to team up. Its very lighthearted, humour is encouraged.

 

[Cobra1984]

Yeah, I get that. It does take an amount of faith in what they're doing though. That said money given I believe constitutes a "charitable contribution" if things go really south. Making it a tax write-off.

To be fair I love the idea of what they want to do and how they want to achieve it, unfortunately I can see they already failed.

They're just riding it out and the devs and artists are just collecting checks.

It's beyond insane that they are still fundraising and it's about time the alarm bells are ringing.

 

[Calrissian]

I don't think insurance against bankruptcy to pay refunds is a thing. Institutions that loan them money can insure themselves but that won't help the punters.

No, but cash value employee and key personnel insurance is. Again, if they don't have these, then my money was a charitable contribution subject to a tax benefit.

 

[Thargon]

It must be coming up to Gamescom and Citizencom... we have visitations

 

[Calrissian]

To be fair I love the idea of what they want to do and how they want to achieve it, unfortunately I can see they already failed.

They're just riding it out and the devs and artists are just collecting checks.

It's beyond insane that they are still fundraising and it's about time the alarm bells are ringing.

I think your just being pessimistic. Remember, what they are attempting to do is no easy task and a large one.

 

[darkoff]

I believe they are insured incase things go south. Besides, the sale of new items not used is always entitled to a refund.

this is kinda interesting statement. Because who on earth would be crazy enough to insure 150 million dollar company that doesnt have;
a) a product requiring insurance.
b)0 track record for delivery on time and 0 games delivered on the company.
c) company CEO has long history of failing to deliver products on terms with contracts or deadlines. (promised returns to investors (VIP4) in ascendant pictures, whole freelancer deal with microsoft etc...)

any kind of insurance they have most likely only covers physical goods they have (aka computers, tables,chairs, that driftwood door in LA etc..) and healthcare for employee's.

 

[Almighty Bob]

It must be coming up to Gamescom and Citizencom... we have visitations

The extended 2.6 lull is coming to an end as with gamescom comes 3.0 (I hope). So all the SC related forums will be more lively. I expect an increase in new Citizens/backers for 3.0, and the new ships will no doubt get peoples credit cards out. (not mine though)

For those of you who do not go into the PU (most of you) I will keep you updated on how it is

 

[Cmdr Eagleboy]

I give him and his team the benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise. The undertaking they are all doing is no simple task.

I'm not happy about ED going to console but I understand the need for Frontier to do it as that's where the money is.

They both need money and just went about it differently.

I am happy about ED going to console because they have done controls right (I think Mike Evans doesn't get enough credit for that) and that means it is accessable to wider audience. Arguing for space sims being PC only is very....elitist. I welcome our fellow console commanders with open arms. Having so complex game running on both XBO and PS4 is impressive technical feat.

I am fine SC being PC only. Fact the game is no show after so long time and so many openly false promises matters way more than it's exclusivity. Good games is not about platform for long time now.

 

[Almighty Bob]

I am happy about ED going to console because they have done controls right (I think Mike Evans doesn't get enough credit for that) and that means it is accessable to wider audience. Arguing for space sims being PC only is very....elitist. I welcome our fellow console commanders with open arms. Having so complex game running on both XBO and PS4 is impressive technical feat.

I am fine SC being PC only. Fact the game is no show after so long time and so many openly false promises matters way more than it's exclusivity. Good games is not about platform for long time now.

I agree the more players the better as long as it does not dumb down the game specs. I presume that ED being a few years old now, newer consoles/other tech, have caught up and can play it on higher settings than would have been possible a few years ago.

Some of the minimum I have seen specs quoted for SC seem very low, I expect them to go u,p so SC on consoles might be with the SC VR department

 

[VidarSnipes]

I agree the more players the better as long as it does not dumb down the game specs. I presume that ED being a few years old now, newer consoles/other tech, have caught up and can play it on higher settings than would have been possible a few years ago.

Some of the minimum I have seen specs quoted for SC seem very low, I expect them to go u,p so SC on consoles might be with the SC VR department

Their minimum requirements are conflicting with other statements about a need for SSD and a lot of RAM, as you have noticed some time ago.

 

[[VR] Mad Mike]

But what you call the game is just forcing people to get more credits, this is grind. It is not actually just doing the activities for the sake of doing the activities. I also assume you are not going to reset your account, so in other words you just want other people to grind longer to get to the point you are already at. .

verisimilitude. I cant think of a better way to explain it. Either it is important to you or it isn't. ie if I can buy 10ton of meat and deliver it next door and make 10k profit. this is with me putting in my money and therefore taking the risk.

it is therefore really stupid to have a mission to deliver 10t of the same meat to the same system where I DONT have to invest my own coin... but make 300k profit just for being the courier.

when ED launched the economy was much better..... IMO.... its moot however, the games will both go the way they go regardless of what you or I think.

as for wiping my account... why would I? I am attached to my space pixels and go out of my way to avoid anything I consider to be exploity / loopholy. but there is no doubt ignoring this stuff definitely ruins the game for me to a degree. my hope is in SC I wont have to.

The other thing why I do NOT think these big ships will be for ever out of everyones reach but those who buy with real cash.

how many people realistically are going to spend even close to $750 on a ship..... 0.001% of the gamer base? I reckon it will be more like 0.0001!. when you consider the amount of work going into each ship imo CIG are not going to want to lock out the content for less than 1 in 10,000 of their players......

it maybe not on day one, or even day 100 but imo at some point these ships will be possible for most of the players. they HAVE to be it is as simple as that imo......

 

[Zetta]

1. A well to do audio engineer that periodically works on game audio.
2. Don't see how I'm "trying" to convince people of all your ranting about. I'm merely sharing an experience and my opinion. As far as having a big ship, I really don't think one is needed unless a group of friends get together because they like doing things together. I am fortunate enough to have these "friends."

Don't see where all this angst is coming from (not just from you or this thread) but I seem to be adding purpose to people's lives and I guess that accounts for something. ;-)

Well there's your problem. I was being sardonic not having a rant or being antsy.

 

[Cobra1984]

Well, startups are businesses too, and often they don't have a product either.

Name me one startup that didn't have a product developed, just one.

CIG are not a startup, nor are they a business, they are a fundraising enterprise with no product after 6 years and they are STILL fundraising and giving dates that are 'just around the corner', and sucking in money using pre rendered videos and making empty claims without having the tech or the talent to meet them.

 

[AJW]

Golly you are being xtra unreasonable and illogical today cobra 1982
Firstly not all businesses produce something some provide services such as a brothel.
Many businesses provide services some are not in material form such as religious businesses
( there is some ammo for you)
But that is irrelevant here. CiG do have a product, I used it last night and it was enjoyable the question is is it worth paying for.

How much have you spent/ Got refunded?

Interesting comparisons...

 

[frostypaw]

For those of you who do not go into the PU (most of you) I will keep you updated on how it is

And you know this how? Considering how long ago the last patch was ..... when was that btw? ..... even those who don't actually own it can easily watch people play it on Twitch, or are those streams now considered to be fake news?

Meanwhile they have retcon'd "5-10 systems at launch" and some of the pennies are dropping about how dull multicrew on big ships will be and they want games within the game to alleviate the boredom

 

[Calrissian]

this is kinda interesting statement. Because who on earth would be crazy enough to insure 150 million dollar company that doesnt have;
a) a product requiring insurance.
b)0 track record for delivery on time and 0 games delivered on the company.
c) company CEO has long history of failing to deliver products on terms with contracts or deadlines. (promised returns to investors (VIP4) in ascendant pictures, whole freelancer deal with microsoft etc...)

any kind of insurance they have most likely only covers physical goods they have (aka computers, tables,chairs, that driftwood door in LA etc..) and healthcare for employee's.

Employees of a business are insurable. I mentioned this earlier....

 

[Calrissian]

Yeah, the yearly fundraiser to fund the yearly patch. Except this year they will be funding last year's patch.

So this thread like all other threads about Star Citizen become part of the ongoing fundraising effort.

"Look, that guy has faith in the project, he had fun with turrets, maybe I'll spend some cash on it"

Not buying it, sorry guys.

Let me make this clear. I don't work for or am in collaboration with the staff of the Star Citizen project!

I read a good amount of the comments concerning the project all over the internet and decided to try it out for myself with close friends. It appealed to myself and my friends and I shared it here. That's all.

Try it for yourself! Yay, cool SC gets a little bigger. Nay, you'll always have Elite Dangerous until something else interesting comes along. That's the bottom line.

 

[Zetta]

CIG's comment regarding 5-10 systems at launch.

Hey guys! This is a case of things being lost in translation; Chris was asked a specific question about how many systems we expect to have online at the point that we've got most of the core mechanics completed and we would consider the gameplay experience suitable for a larger audience. There are no changes with regards to the planned amount of systems which are well documented on the current Star Map.
Also, it’s important to remember that the scope of the game has increased greatly since the original crowdfunding campaign. Since those early days we’ve created procedural planet tech, moved from 32 bit to 64 bit… all of it leading to billions of kilometers of space and millions of square kilometers of landmass to explore, all rendered in detail that matches the most detailed 1st person games that only have to worry about a few dozen kilometers of playable area.
This takes time to fill out, so while it will take us longer to fully deliver and populate every system at this fidelity rather than if we had only a handful of points of interest per star system, we have no intention of reducing the size of the Star Citizen universe.

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/6pplee/cigs_statement_on_510_systems_at_launch/

Doesn't really say much but there you go..

 

[Almighty Bob]

Interesting comparisons...

Made me smile when I typed it.You could at least rep me
To be clear for cobra 1999 it is in fact the opposite of a comparison as I am saying that there is a product. I presume you understood that AJ you seem pretty smart

 

[VidarSnipes]

CIG's comment regarding 5-10 systems at launch.

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/6pplee/cigs_statement_on_510_systems_at_launch/

Doesn't really say much but there you go..

That quote doesn't sound like refutation of the "5-10 systems" claim, but rather like an assurance that the rest of the systems will be in the game eventually.