I was going to answer but then I thought about it - and i just can't be (FACT)
I just don't get it - baffled and on the verge of uninstall - Yes I said it!
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I was going to answer but then I thought about it - and i just can't be (FACT)
Whuuu? Anyway, there is a disadvantage of being a public company, as you are beholden to investors and can lose control of the company. This is why some large family run businesses don't go public, they want to remain in full control. For someone with a personal vision of the game he wants to bring to fruition this might be risky (without knowing the details) in the long run. As long as things are going well, it isn't a problem, but if FD ever falls on hard times, things could go all pear shaped.
I agree with OP.
I would suggest that may be FD should open an Explorers statistic board next to the Galnet news, using the info from our advanced discovery scanner that record our discoveries and those commanders that discover record finds in the Galaxy are listed, with their finds, giving full details of the commander's discovery.
Every time a commander discovers a new record find he is mentioned on Galnet news and the statistic board is updated. Something like elitegalaxyonline.com does but adopt it into the game. Then we have new goals to aim for besides Elite ranks, Engineer levels, and Fed or Empire ranks, we could aim to have our commander name listed as the one who discovered a record, for all to see and it would remain until beaten.
It would give something for the Explorers to do.
I would suggest that may be FD should open an Explorers statistic board next to the Galnet news, using the info from our advanced discovery scanner that record our discoveries and those commanders that discover record finds in the Galaxy are listed, with their finds, giving full details of the commander's discovery.
Every time a commander discovers a new record find he is mentioned on Galnet news and the statistic board is updated. Something like elitegalaxyonline.com does but adopt it into the game. Then we have new goals to aim for besides Elite ranks, Engineer levels, and Fed or Empire ranks, we could aim to have our commander name listed as the one who discovered a record, for all to see and it would remain until beaten.
It would give something for the Explorers to do.
DBOBE is majority shareholder with 50.1% stake. The problem with being a company, public or private is that generally you need to make a profit or you go out of business. FDEV is not a charity or NPO.
All this salt probably stems from the fact that the ED project initially funded by Kickstarter and hence the community feels that they are the "investors".
Not being a Kickstarter backer myself, I cannot say whether or not all that was promised in the 1.0 release was delivered. That they offered lifetime passes suggest that FDEV knew back then that their vision wouldn't be realised in 1.0 or 2.0 or 3.0 even. But hey, when you invest the value of your investment go down as well as up.
Out of interest does the Planet Coaster community, which wasn't funded by kickstarter, have they same sense of entitlement?
At the moment FDEV does not pay a dividend to it's shareholders. I can only imagine the outrage and saltiness of the community when the investor ask for a return on their investment and FDEV start paying precious cash, that could be used for the further development of ED, to their shareholders.
All this salt probably stems from the fact that the ED project initially funded by Kickstarter and hence the community feels that they are the "investors".
Not being a Kickstarter backer myself, I cannot say whether or not all that was promised in the 1.0 release was delivered. That they offered lifetime passes suggest that FDEV knew back then that their vision wouldn't be realised in 1.0 or 2.0 or 3.0 even. But hey, when you invest the value of your investment go down as well as up.
Out of interest does the Planet Coaster community, which wasn't funded by kickstarter, have they same sense of entitlement?
At the moment FDEV does not pay a dividend to it's shareholders. I can only imagine the outrage and saltiness of the community when the investor ask for a return on their investment and FDEV start paying precious cash, that could be used for the further development of ED, to their shareholders.
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The only white knights posting are the ones who think the degraded items I listed in the OP are fine and have not degraded.
I deliberately mentioned the Gal map as a prime example. It's worse than it had ever has been and that is a fact. When someone ignores facts then there is no conversation to have. So those expecting a reply from me after ignoring the facts will have a long wait.
Oh and could someone explain the difference between a Shareholder and an Investor - I think some are struggling.
This post is just a catch all white knight response.
As you were ...
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I deliberately mentioned the Gal map as a prime example. It's worse than it had ever has been and that is a fact. When someone ignores facts then there is no conversation to have. So those expecting a reply from me after ignoring the facts will have a long wait.
Oh and could someone explain the difference between a Shareholder and an Investor - I think some are struggling.
This post is just a catch all white knight response.
As you were ...
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Yes please! Instead of Fdev putting more stuff in, which is glacial at best, involve the community. Apparently users can submit Galnet stories but in 8 months (ish) of playing I've not seen one. Reason I'm still playing Star trek Online 6 years later (sporadically), player created missions, ok, not all are great, but there are some proper gems in there.
So, exploration isn't dead but long range exploration is boring. OK.
I think the confusion is the difference between "consumer" and "investor". Consuming FDEVs products does not make you an investor. Owning shares in FDEV, i.e. shareholder, does make you an investor.
verminstar
Banned
The gal map...so much fun using this to plot courses nowadays. Remember what it was like before we had bookmarks? Thats about the one aspect I would neither agree nor disagree with...I dont personally find it broken, but I do know others who say its a total bollox compared to what it used to be.
I do find it utterly strange that one cant plot checkpoint style courses though...Ive been doin that with the 70 quid tomtom in my car fer the past decade so it appears humanity aint that bright in the future...not that its particularly bright now, but we do seem more advanced when it comes to little things.
Apologies fer not following the thread with more enthusiasm...I needed to walk away fer a bit...ye know how it is ^
I am not white knighting but I have zero issues in the galaxy map. It works perfectly fine for me (I have seen reports of other people having issues with it though, so don't deny there is an issue). Still not sure what the degradation of the system map was either. Again it works perfectly fine for me. I am not ignoring issues, I just literelly have zero issues with either. Maybe its the way some poeple set up their controls in the galaxy/system map.
I do agree about the beigeification and the complete lack of tools for exploration. Nerfed terrain - I haven't really noticed much. Skymap looks great to me.
The biggest indicator that frontier is taking ED in the wrong direction is simply the proliferation of online tools and community websites that do stuff that should be in game, whether it's looking up prices in another system, saving ship load outs for future use, simulating ship performance characteristics without leaving the hanger, arranging to trade/barter items in game between actual players, getting help if you've run out of fuel or are stranded on the surface of a world, reading about interesting stuff found in the galaxy or getting a mention on an explorer's website that charts discoveries it seems to me that FD should be looking at what players want and fulfilling their needs in game.
Happy customers = repeat customers!
The biggest example of this is the oft repeated claim that there's 5 major plot lines going on the ED galaxy right now, with the exception of the Ram Tah mission it's all happening outside on the forums, or other websites resulting in highly contrived 'in game events' that not everyone can participate in due to instancing limitations and the occasional cut scene shown on youtube.
Brand new players can spend their whole life in the game not knowing that any of this is going on, being blissfully unaware that anything is happening anywhere as the galaxy remains unchanged at all times. Indeed most players have no idea or sense of feeling for the politics of the game, or give a rats bumhole about the local faction that they run missions for, as there's no attempt by FD to build player relationships with anything in the galaxy or to even given them any utility for doing so.
When FD do act they get it horribly wrong, For example NULL have recently been gifted with a megaship that they can't dock in. What's the point of a mega ship that you can't so much as refuel at? It's just an ornament.
I often sit back and wonder if the devs that make FD even understand their playbase because I don't think they do...
Happy customers = repeat customers!
The biggest example of this is the oft repeated claim that there's 5 major plot lines going on the ED galaxy right now, with the exception of the Ram Tah mission it's all happening outside on the forums, or other websites resulting in highly contrived 'in game events' that not everyone can participate in due to instancing limitations and the occasional cut scene shown on youtube.
Brand new players can spend their whole life in the game not knowing that any of this is going on, being blissfully unaware that anything is happening anywhere as the galaxy remains unchanged at all times. Indeed most players have no idea or sense of feeling for the politics of the game, or give a rats bumhole about the local faction that they run missions for, as there's no attempt by FD to build player relationships with anything in the galaxy or to even given them any utility for doing so.
When FD do act they get it horribly wrong, For example NULL have recently been gifted with a megaship that they can't dock in. What's the point of a mega ship that you can't so much as refuel at? It's just an ornament.
I often sit back and wonder if the devs that make FD even understand their playbase because I don't think they do...
verminstar
Banned
Jaysus wept...we actually agree on something...wonders will never cease ^
Patently untrue. All a business needs to do in order to avoid "going under" is break even. Expenses = income. The desire for profit is greed driven.
lol, it's nice when that happens.
Yes that is true. But just breaking even isn't going to lead to an increase in resources being applied to the improvement of ED is it.
The reinvestment of FDEVs profits back into the company, rather than a dividend to shareholders is good for ED. And would suggest that the other investors are currently on board with DBOBE's vision.
Just some are struggling with the time it is taking for FDEV to improve a specific features for them.
The reinvestment of FDEVs profits back into the company, rather than a dividend to shareholders is good for ED. And would suggest that the other investors are currently on board with DBOBE's vision.
Just some are struggling with the time it is taking for FDEV to improve a specific features for them.
With respect Max... This is not about what 'works fine' for you.
It's about how things we used to have being taken away/degraded and that's a huge difference. There was a time when you could highlight a star (System) at any distance, even fully zoomed out on a friend 60,000 ly away! It was awesome! - Now I can't highlight something 100 ly away!
Sorry if this has been suggested before, but have you tried switching the map to Powerplay mode? For some reason I find I can select stars much, much easier in that mode than any other, even though it makes no sense whatsoever out of the bubble.
And out of the bubble is where it hurts.
It was great as Nutter said, and they ruined it dramatically while introducing some other improvements. It was not intended - or they were high at the time - but it is there and they are not fixing it.
It is noticeable in the bubble too, but you can work your way there more easily and it doesn't bother you that much.
It was great as Nutter said, and they ruined it dramatically while introducing some other improvements. It was not intended - or they were high at the time - but it is there and they are not fixing it.
It is noticeable in the bubble too, but you can work your way there more easily and it doesn't bother you that much.
Yes, but for some reason just having the map in that mode (even though it's got no political colouring to do) seems to make it easier to select stars. I have no idea why.
Thanks I'll try this when I next play.. not sure when that will be though..
Yep we could, and there where serious performance issues with the Galaxy map, it used to take ages to open up, now it is virtually instant. So there are improvements in some places but the improvements have taken away from elsewhere. It's unfortunate, but to be honest not the end of the world. It's such a minor issue that I can't be fussed by it. And saying it is virtually unusable is just not true (FACT). Seems more like an optimization more then a nerf with an easy work around, basically zoom in a bit closer, or does that make it unusable for you.
Also nice of you to miss out the brackets where I did point out there where issues with it for some others.
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