We were promised atmospheric planetary landings

I expect the the planet generation team are most likely beavering away at atmospheric planets. I would be surprised if that team where working on Thargoid/Alien stuff.

Different teams for different stuff.

Possibly with a team or two working on stuff that is beyond what we currently know about. Some of this stuff probably takes at least a year of development time.
 
Which is where the 'making it suitably Elite-y' bit comes in. I strongly suspect that the new substandard 'beige-box' planet generation system is a stepping stone to ultimately richer planetary environments, once they've got the wrinkles ironed out. I think this is one of the horrible areas where in order to move forward they've had to move back first.

Hence the consolidation of the core, in other words.
 
And pressure is different on different altitudes so it will first be liquid than solid, however as i said depends on temperature and type of gas.

If I recall my physics correctly the triple-point graph allowed for situations where a solid could become a gas and vice verse without passing through the liquid phase. The solid to gas transition is called sublimation but I forget what the reverse was called.
 
The solid to gas transition is called sublimation but I forget what the reverse was called.

Heh we have it easy, in our language its "sublimacja" and "resublimacja". But the proper english term is "deposition".

Wikipedia said:
Deposition is a thermodynamic process, a phase transition in which gas transforms into solid without passing through the liquid phase. The reverse of deposition is sublimation and hence sometimes deposition is called desublimation.
 
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Transition from one engine to perhaps a fractal engine for atmospheric planets could be done via heat re-entry blaze raround the cockpit obscuring view whilst engines swap in and out. It's all doable, just depends upon whether or not they want to do it.
 
Yes, English is a bit weird at times.
someone is sensible and provided an alternative ("desublimation") though I still wonder why not "resublimation" as the use of "re-something" is known in English (rejuvenation? regeneration?)

Transition from one engine to perhaps a fractal engine for atmospheric planets could be done via heat re-entry blaze raround the cockpit obscuring view whilst engines swap in and out. It's all doable, just depends upon whether or not they want to do it.

Like said smoke and mirrors. We really don't have to overcomplicate it. Well, I think we will see soon enough, October is not that far away.
 
To be honest, they might handwave it by saying look at the Harrier - that lifts off vertically with its engines, so there's no reason why the much more powerful hydrogen fusion powered thrusters in Elite can't do the same thing in an atmosphere. Besides, I know on airless worlds you can just keep flying on the strength of your main engines in normal space until you reach orbit, but maybe they'll adjust that for atmospheric planets (which tend to have higher gravity than their airless counterparts, for the most part) so you can only go so high before needing to engage supercruise (which can ignore the messy business of escape velocity) lest you stall the ship and plummet.

We cannot possibly have hydrogen fuel fusion thrusters in ED, entering an atmosphere with such a drive would be akin to an act of war, or terrorism as your wake would sterilize entire continents due to the radiation release that fusion entails.
 
I'd be quite happy driving around bumping into trees. Inb4 the inevitable "Why are all the trees green" threads.

Besides, on the subject of 'too hard', Frontier themselves mastered atmospheric planets 19 years ago

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Correct Bongo and not only that but even earlier in the 2 previous Elite games too! Sure they don't have the graphical fidelity of games nowadays but at the time creating these scenes below took a massive amount of effort on David's part and he only had access to a very small fraction of the computer power and development tools he and his team have now. To me at least, a man who fitted an entire galaxy on a 880k disk, with landable atmospheric planets scattered throughout it (even now this is still a stunning achievement) using only early 1990s tech, deserves a bit of leeway. Sure, I'd love to see this in the game too but neither him nor you fans would want the experience to be anything less than the best it can be. David demands that and you fans deserve it! Give him and his team a chance is all I am asking. ;)
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If I recall my physics correctly the triple-point graph allowed for situations where a solid could become a gas and vice verse without passing through the liquid phase. The solid to gas transition is called sublimation but I forget what the reverse was called.

Yes i said it, look again! It all depends mostly on temperature, pressure and gas type, btw reverse is called consolidation.
In most cases it will go gas->liquid->solid but nobody knows exact conditions on those gas giants so even plasma can be under gas atmosphere.
My bet would be that in most cases under gas atmosphere there are oceans of said gases.
 
Yes i said it, look again! It all depends mostly on temperature, pressure and gas type, btw reverse is called consolidation.
In most cases it will go gas->liquid->solid but nobody knows exact conditions on those gas giants so even plasma can be under gas atmosphere.
My bet would be that in most cases under gas atmosphere there are oceans of said gases.

Gas Giants are living creatures. Those aren't storms we see; they're neurons firing.
 
We cannot possibly have hydrogen fuel fusion thrusters in ED, entering an atmosphere with such a drive would be akin to an act of war, or terrorism as your wake would sterilize entire continents due to the radiation release that fusion entails.

Actually, fusion doesn't produce that much radiation. And the exhaust barely has any matter. It does have significant momentum, however.

F=(mv^2)/2

With the exhaust travelling at significant speed a generous amount of thrust is generated.

Further, the exhaust can be captured while in atmosphere and turbines used to create thrust from the atmosphere. We already have turbine like thrusters for attitude control. We just need hybrid thrusters for the main engines to make flying through atmospheres safe and clean.
 
someone is sensible and provided an alternative ("desublimation") though I still wonder why not "resublimation" as the use of "re-something" is known in English (rejuvenation? regeneration?)



Like said smoke and mirrors. We really don't have to overcomplicate it. Well, I think we will see soon enough, October is not that far away.
If I may... desublimation would be the act of undoing the sublimation whereas resublimation would be the act of doing sublimation again (or subliming again).

So in the example of rejuvenation that literally means to make young again (or to make younger) whereas dejuvenation would
be to undo making young (or to make older).

Hope that helps, but massive + rep again nevertheless!
 
Sorry to jump in so late on an 18-page thread but just my 2¢ - they said it'll come eventually but they're working on other items at the moment.

You have to remember that there are only two kinds of landable bodies: moons and planets.

If it has an atmosphere and it's a moon/planet you'll eventually be able to land on it.

BUT if you can land on one you should be able to land on all of them. Can't do that yet. Some may be barren, some may have life. How does the game engine determine which you can land on? If you can land on ALL of them, you have to then make sure ALL of them are ready for use, not just some (unless you're doing the permit locked thing and why would a planet near Beagle Point be permit locked and by whom).

This will be implemented bit-by-bit as I see it. Maybe gas giants, then some thin atmosphere words, etc. If you want ALL of them NOW, you might want to take a look at NMS.

Eventually it will happen. We all know this game is still a "Work in Progress". Be patient, young padwan.
 
We cannot possibly have hydrogen fuel fusion thrusters in ED, entering an atmosphere with such a drive would be akin to an act of war, or terrorism as your wake would sterilize entire continents due to the radiation release that fusion entails.

Jon's Law: The efficiency of any reaction drive is directly proportional to its efficiency as a weapon of mass destruction.

Best just to assume ED's reaction drives run on perfectly harmless 'handwavium' and try not to think too deeply about whatever the energy that's blasted out of those ships to move them would do to whatever is behind them.
 
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