Star Citizen Thread v6

[Mole HD]

Meanwhile, Sunk Cost Fallacy: The Movie -- https://robertsspaceindustries.com/...ead/what-keeps-you-motivated-for-star-citizen

Some pretty harsh things in there amidst the usual "I spent too much money" posts: "The fact that I do not want to admit to myself how gullible and stupid I was to throw more than a base package's worth out of the window for this feature-creep "project" -- I am too deep in to turn back now, and I simply cannot admit that it was probably the biggest financial mistake I ever made to fall for the lies and deceptions of CR."

"The fact that I have invested thousands into this game. But I'm done now. 3.0 has been delayed again. The summer has been wasted. I'm beyond disappointed. I didn't want to believe what people said about CR, and his history of delays, but I would be lying if I said I'm not loosing confidence in him."

I know of quite a few folks among my contacts list in game who had bought in or purchased $1000+ through initial pledges or subsequent ship purchases have mostly recovered or refunded the large initial pledge and bought back in with something less than $200...Cutlass black or Freelancer packages for instance.

CiG are losing backers money as well as their trust. Recent threads on spectrum point quite clearly to that. There are also subscribers by the score cancelling their subscriptions by the month, backers are also refusing point blank to spend any more on ship and vehicle sales until CiG put something substantial on their hard drives. Sales of packages including Sqn 42 are being CCU'd and replaced with game packages without it...

It's not very healthy or happy at all in the 'community' and delaying 3.0 past Gamescom is primarily responsible for the latest surge of folks answering the call by closing their wallets.

I've seen commentary of 3.0 being called 'The Jesus patch' among fairly loyal backers and subscribers....I think that's about how it stands. Pity CiG don't read or answer their backers on their own 'community forum', they might get a glimpse of just how irritated most of them are.

From a personal perspective, I bought in with a small warbond package a few years ago which I upgraded subsequently to an Aquila...I had that refunded after being irritated at the constant delays and feature creep and bought back in with a basic Mustang starter pack (including Sqn 42) and bought a Cutlass black as a standalone for 3.0 if and when it appears...I also haven't renewed my initial subscription which I had on a month to month basis since there's absolutely no additional benefit to being a subscriber at all.

 

[VidarSnipes]

Recent developments make me wonder how much of this heavily downvoted video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSrXsbRh6k8 was spot on with its claims.

I know of a few folks among my contacts list in game who had bought in or purchased $1000+ through initial pledges or subsequent ship purchases have mostly recovered or refunded the large initial pledge and bought back in with something less than $200...Cutlass black or Freelancer packages for instance.

CiG are losing backers money as well as their trust. Recent threads on spectrum point quite clearly to that. There are also subscribers by the score cancelling their subscriptions by the month, backers are also refusing point blank to spend any more on ship and vehicle sales until CiG put something substantial on their hard drives. Sales of packages including Sqn 42 are being CCU'd and replaced with game packages without it...

It's not very healthy or happy at all in the 'community' and delaying 3.0 past Gamescom is primarily responsible for the latest surge of folks answering the call by closing their wallets.

The problem with that is backer's trust is easily regained. Cyclone's sales experienced a noticeable bump when the PCGamer released their article (but no gameplay videos as far as I know), also the latest Gamescom was responsible for the spike in funding when the 3.0 video was shown, even though it is suspect how representative of the current development status it was.

 

[metatheurgist]

It will certainly make a mockery of those recent "we've played 3.0 and it's everything CIG promised" magazine articles if they show up at Gamescom empty handed.

Eh, every time there's been a show an insider/journalist/streamer/privileged backer has reported about being in the secret sanctum/seen the secret build/talked to CR and said how everything is on track and awesome (and previously they were unsure) but now they're confident the game is going to be released...

This has been SOP for years.

 

[Vasious]

Sad to see WFTO so stressed out, I do keep up with most [Redacted] weekly Pod Casts

I do wonder what the Game Mags tried out then, for the 3.0 release to be delayed so

 

[Skizomeuh]

Let's have some thoughts for the "little hands" in every CIG offices that must be on heavy crunch mode for many months because of loony decisions and sense of priorities of their top management.

 

[MTBFritz]

Recent developments make me wonder how much of this heavily downvoted video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSrXsbRh6k8 was spot on with its claims.

Videos like this one and reading through the comment section will be my evening dessert when 3.0 comes out. I hope I ll get my "IN YOUR FACE MUHAHAHAHA" wallpaper ready in time

 

[Mole HD]

Recent developments make me wonder how much of this heavily downvoted video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSrXsbRh6k8 was spot on with its claims.



The problem with that is backer's trust is easily regained. Cyclone's sales experienced a noticeable bump when the PCGamer released their article (but no gameplay videos as far as I know), also the latest Gamescom was responsible for the spike in funding when the 3.0 video was shown, even though it is suspect how representative of the current development status it was.

I'm certain some backers will re-open the wallets should 3.0 be a success...but even the likes of the PC gamer article isn't putting a substantial update on folks hard drives which is now the basic requirement.
Apart from the persistent loonies on reddit and elsewhere, most backers of SC aren't complete sword swallower's and the smoke and mirrors approach (yet again) from CiG just doesn't cut it. It's put up or shut up time for CR...either he gets something out there and working to an acceptable degree or the backers, who've been quite tolerant up to now, will end up biting him in the buttocks.

I keep reading quotes from utter sadsacks put forward as an examples of typical SC backers...the problem of convincing me that's not anything more than a generalisation is that these trolls aren't who I'm meeting either in the PU or reading quotes from on Spectrum...maybe reddit is worse than I thought. Most of the backers and supporters are more represented right here in this section as far as I'm finding.

 

[Maruun]

Lamentations from an ex-dedicated streamer https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/6qf32y/wtfosaurus_i_gave_up_my_entire_life_for_a_buggy/

I feel sorry for him, he is a good example of people being blinded by dreams, hopes and marketing. To the point where they tried to ignore every bad thing or try to twist it towards "thats good for SC because..." its not healthy, it borders towards a mental disorder that noone can safe you from but yourself. By taking a step back and look at what has been promised, what has been delivered, what has been shown and what was playable.
Its sad how many hours he wasted in trying to show people how "awesome" SC is while ignoring everything around him living in his own world.

I hope he gets better. Because investing so much time for something that isnt real even calling it his entire life is soul crushing, and he will be probably not the only one that has to go through that depression at some point or another.
But i call it now, when Gamecoms starts and SC shows its super awesome scripted "gameplay" of 3.0 and its around the corner or end of december. He will jump back into it apologizing for doubting the dream like a junkie that needs his fix.

 

[MTBFritz]

I'm certain some backers will re-open the wallets should 3.0 be a success...but even the likes of the PC gamer article isn't putting a substantial update on folks hard drives which is now the basic requirement.
Apart from the persistent loonies on reddit and elsewhere, most backers of SC aren't complete sword swallower's and the smoke and mirrors approach (yet again) from CiG just doesn't cut it. It's put up or shut up time for CR...either he gets something out there and working to an acceptable degree or the backers, who've been quite tolerant up to now, will end up biting him in the buttocks .

Thats why defining specific goals for CiG to meet is important for everybody I think. Dont just stay "neutral" on your expectations, its at best a self defense allowing you to adjust your opinion in case you get disappointed. Instead think about specific things you absolutely expect for 3.0 to bring, others marked as "maybe" and some which are "fantasy". Doing so will do several things at once.

- allowing for a quick and harsh reality check once you see that 90% of your "for sure" points didnt make it
- affect your general tone of discussion when most of your list consists of "maybes"
- realize its high time to get out when most of your list consists of "fantasy"


I dont have a scientific term for it but it works in many areas in life. Picture you want to lose weight. People make that decision every day for themselves and change it as often or forget about it or push it back a few more days. The situation never changes. But if you tell all your friends and maybe co-workers about your plan and start doing group sessions things suddenly are not so easy to ignore anymore. People will observe you and will hold you to your claim and you know it so either you need to be very creative when it comes to an excuse or admit failure. Moving the goal wont be possible and denying the whole project wont either. It gives you endurance and might force you to remember and hold up your own claim if not for yourself then in order to avoid ridicule and embarrassment by the hand of others.

Coming out with a clear statement is always a gamble and risk. Thats why you should only do it if you really believe what you say. Obviously this doesnt count for all the SC drones, rep management employees or the people who just pick a fight and "want to win". It ll affect your future credibility and some of the SC fan claims are so fantastic that it ll be a great pleasure to go through the internet to find me some of their pearls of wisdom. Because being wrong about something comes with a heavy consequence....you need to admit you were wrong. Of course depending on your statement there almost always is some wiggle room.

So the list shouldnt say "lets see what they manage to bring up at Gamescon" but "THIS is what I expect with 3.0 based on their past announcements and videos"

 

[Thargon]

I feel sorry for the poor workers there. They're being put through hell, expected to crunch past reason, and they are invested in a project with such diabolical management, what can they do?

Recent articles (http://archive.is/ekCqe) have noted that nothing appears to being done. Why is this? Have the workers woken up or something? And imagine, that on your C.V. you list StarCitizen as a project you have worked on. It's not exactly a glowing report or something to be proud of. Well I guess maybe your work might be, you could showcase your pretty models and concept art... but you know what I'm trying to say...

 

[Vasea Azure]

Recent articles (http://archive.is/ekCqe) have noted that nothing appears to being done.

It never fails... if its true then what they will show on gamescom? Another short scripted scene with stuff that are no where near to be on our HDs? Probably. I also see much more uproar about the situation than usual from backers, I wonder for how long RSI can keep pulling this off? What a ride

 

[lysan]

I feel sorry for the poor workers there. They're being put through hell, expected to crunch past reason, and they are invested in a project with such diabolical management, what can they do?

Recent articles (http://archive.is/ekCqe) have noted that nothing appears to being done. Why is this? Have the workers woken up or something? And imagine, that on your C.V. you list StarCitizen as a project you have worked on. It's not exactly a glowing report or something to be proud of. Well I guess maybe your work might be, you could showcase your pretty models and concept art... but you know what I'm trying to say...

I can imagine how a job interview would be....


So your CV says you worked on Star Citizen, how well do you like tight schedules and delivery dates?
.........
eh, mhee, you see we was guided by Genuine Roberts and he told us that to get uber fidelity you don't need a schedule.
.........
Well, please take a seat, my college here will perform a small test with you. The reaction time is crucial, so please pay attention.

Spoiler

[video=youtube;Umc9ezAyJv0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Umc9ezAyJv0[/video]

 

[Mole HD]

It seems that all the current hostility and backers saying quite clearly that the wallets are closed has prompted an almost unique appearance and post from a CiG staff member on Spectrum. You'll have to excuse my ignorance as to exactly who and what he is within CiG, since I've never heard of him before...perhaps he's one of the imagined community managers...no doubt some of you longer term SC backers will inform me if you know.

Edit: I just read his sig at the bottom of the post


Linky

 

[VidarSnipes]

It seems that all the current hostility and backers saying quite clearly that the wallets are closed has prompted an almost unique appearance and post from a CiG staff member on Spectrum. You'll have to excuse my ignorance as to exactly who and what he is within CiG, since I've never heard of him before...perhaps he's one of the imagined community managers...no doubt some of you longer term SC backers will inform me if you know.


Linky

All I know is he signs the "no Evocati this week" messages, so he's either a some kind of project manager or at least a senior developer. As for the content of the post, here's an important part:

It’s also important to consider that what 3.0 meant a year ago is a shadow of what 3.0 means today. Back then, Planetary Tech would have offered a fraction of the freedom that it does in 3.0, and most of the numerous infrastructure updates going into it now did not exist. [WL: Edited previous sentence for clarity] Roughly speaking, the approach was that we’d be able to deliver four roughly built, predetermined, pre-scripted, landing zones. The reality is that those would have been rather limited, and ultimately, somewhat of a variation of what Area 18 ArcCorp is today in terms of features and functionality.

So much for full procedural planets in 2016.

 

[Vasea Azure]

Linky

The entire company is working feverishly to get you 3.0. Our goal is to provide you with the most amazing gaming experience ever. We’ve learned that we can deliver something better than the original 3.0, something bigger, something pretty groundbreaking, something magnificent.

Holy Space we need some fanfares and fireworks here asap!

 

[Ian Skippy]

Holy Space we need some fanfares and fireworks here asap!



http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/09/08/article-0-0290058B00000578-290_468x286.jpg

Really? "We increased the scope, dont worry!"? Again?

 

[Vasea Azure]

Really? "We increased the scope, dont worry!"? Again?

Yup, I have a feeling it will happen yet again in the near future too...

 

[frostypaw]

Linky

I love how they've managed to turn this into some kind of guilt attack...

Still what that boils down to is it's a pretty amateur effort in terms of project planning. WHO COULD HAVE IMAGINED that integrating a bunch of separately developed entities could be difficult?

Such things have never been heard of before! It's always been like smooth sleek dovetailing before and in each previous patch/update after all.

But we've been around the using feedback into the estimation process loop before.

The bit that grabbed my attention has to be:

It’s about giving you the ability to buy what’s on the web inside kiosks.

In game real-cash sales CONFIRMED.

 

[Mole HD]

All I know is he signs the "no Evocati this week" messages, so he's either a some kind of project manager or at least a senior developer. As for the content of the post, here's an important part:



So much for full procedural planets in 2016.

I shot coffee out of my nose at his opening comment: "There’s been quite a bit of healthy discussion about our recent Production Schedule update..."

I truly hope I'm never that version of 'healthy' ...ever.

 

[Barking_Mad]

I am a Star Citizen fan, which is why I'm asking you to stop giving CIG money

The replies are just *rolls eyes*

Example A:

I wouldn't call you a fan of anything if you don't want something good to come out of it.
Pressuring a company to put out instead of a quality product, that is a incredibly way to think
seriously don't play games if you just want crap now instead of waiting for good products.
or Just buy rushed Ubisoft or EA titles because I guess you love them.
the reason CIG went with crowdfunding is so they didn't have to put out the half games that Triple A developers often shovel these days
and claiming do the Original scope makes no logical sense the Scope changed as in the core of the game changed trying to make the old core that would need to be fully replaced by a new core later.
would be like making 3 completely different games and destroying one of the games later.
but seriously if you want something Adequate, Don't game, your literally a cancer on the industry if those are the standards your ok with.