Star Citizen Thread v6
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Where I have heard this before?
Right. Last times CIG said same thing over last three years.
They should just shut up.
3.0 in some ways is largely irrelevant as unless Chris is hiding money down the back of the sofa I cant really see how they can continue financially at this glacial pace of production for very long.
It's well worth a look so you can see why the word 'vile' comes up - here would get the same without the mods
/rant, feel free to skip
Call me cold-blooded, but I don't feel sorry for him.
He's a good example of what should happen when you betray truth speaking for money.
It's obvious he was paid to cover SC (either directly or by sponsorship of some kind) to add to illusion that it's a fun, good and desirable game.
He's just a puppet of their masquerading tactics to saturate the general opinion with even more lies, therefore he got what he deserved.
IMO, he should have studied more on this project before he decided to cover it.
If he did, but still decided to cover it, then he's guilty. If he didn't, and still decided to cover it, then he's stupid. Neither is good for us, ordinary players.
This game needs immediate, ruthless and strong criticism throughout all media and not paid articles/streamers to hide its flaws, its company's flaws and their dishonesty, and draw even more people into this money-sucking perpetuum mobile.
People need the truth, not more sugar coating. They should be constantly reminded of CIG's beginnings in 2012, of what they promised, of what they failed and lied and how they got where they're now.
I'm so sick of Mr. and Mrs. smiley-faced, "gamer loving", everything-will-be-great lying mouth, that when I finally make myself watch another AtV episode, I immediately skip first few seconds in order not to puke.
And btw. you guys are the only reason I keep following SC although I gave up on it long time ago when I sold my package.
You're true warriors of the truth, you haven't sold on your attitude like many others did and I know many of you were original KS backers like I was, which is a reason more why I respect you.
If you leave this project, the new victims will never know...what it was, what was it supposed to be and what it is.
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And pll over there just eat it up with the spoon lol, wonder if we ever see this magical 3.0 patch.
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What a load of absolute excrement (the CIG guy that is, not Mole HD). The Gamescom 2016 demo didn't show "predetermined, pre-scripted, landing zones", it showed them flying "freely" over the planet and landing wherever they wanted, including directly on the planet surface. It showed them running around on the surface,and flying the bike thing, it showed them entering a not-at-all "roughly built" facility. A year later, 3.0 adds nothing. It doesn't, on the other hand, deliver things like actual planets with biomes and all that stuff that was also shown last year. At no point did Roberts suggest any of the limitations that this guy is trying to retcon into the development.
What really happened is they tried to pass off a demo as a live build when it was completely unrepresentative of their actual progress, and massively underestimated what it would take to make it real. I'm sure behind the scenes they had all the limitations that this guy's claiming, but that's not how they presented it to backers at the time.
Unless he's admitting that Roberts was lying, of course.
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It's called the "sunk cost fallacy" and they've bilked people out of a lot of money with it already, they're good at what they do.
It was exposed beyond doubt as a scam like 2 years ago by Dr Smart so everything from the past 2 years is 'how they can continue financially' in spite of the scam being known.
"De Nile" ain't just a river in egypt.
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Well, i dared to post in the schedule thread on reddit that if CIG keep missing deadlines, it might be better for them to bite the bullet and add some decent padding to all their estimates, accept some negative fallout from it, but then going forward, be more likely to meet their estimates (rather than this rather insane "challenging deadlines" rubbish (IMO)). If they then finish early, great, its a win, fans rejoice. If it takes as long as they announce, hey, its ok.
In other words, a single change to their estimate procedure, and then you get one bigger delay announced, but moving forward, you should be good, rather than this death by a thousand cuts which we are seeing now.
Response from SC fans?
Oh yes, you guessed it, a majority of responses were variations on the theme of *drum roll* "You don't understand software development" and other personal comments.
Highly faceplam worthy, especially since I most assuredly do understand software development.
In other words, a single change to their estimate procedure, and then you get one bigger delay announced, but moving forward, you should be good, rather than this death by a thousand cuts which we are seeing now.
Response from SC fans?
Oh yes, you guessed it, a majority of responses were variations on the theme of *drum roll* "You don't understand software development" and other personal comments.
Highly faceplam worthy, especially since I most assuredly do understand software development.
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The funny thing is that I can't think of any group of people who have a poorer grasp on "software development" than victims of the SC scam / redditors.
Its such a farce.
Its such a farce.
Its surreal at this point, someone should make some study over this case, make a netflix movie or write a book - guarantee success.
So last year at Gamescon/Citizencon they had a plan for 3.0 but this year they showed a new plan for 3.0 that had less stuff than last years plan. They have now missed more deadlines and the excuse is the new plan has much more rich fidelity than the previous plan that had less content than the plan before that. So, it's fine to ignore the plan again because they change their plans and you don't know about games development.
Also, it's fine to show the sand worm thing because it's not showing stuff that isn't in the game because it is potentially in the game which doesn't exist yet meaning you can just show whatever you like and it's in the game because infinite funding + time + monkeys mean all things shown are potentially all in the game in some universe and you don't know about games development.
I guess this is just how "open" development works?
Also, it's fine to show the sand worm thing because it's not showing stuff that isn't in the game because it is potentially in the game which doesn't exist yet meaning you can just show whatever you like and it's in the game because infinite funding + time + monkeys mean all things shown are potentially all in the game in some universe and you don't know about games development.
I guess this is just how "open" development works?
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"I have confidence in Chris Roberts so star citizen can't possibly be a confidence scheme" the backers say, over and over.
This is hilarious because it's true
"Things cannot possibly be as bad as they appear to be" is the thread that so many are still hanging on to.
Final SC thoughts from me before I take a break from this thread, otherwise I'll end up banned from the Frontier forum altogether...
This will go on for years. There is a market for dreams. It will not collapse, go bankrupt, be scooped up by the bank or disappear.
Star Citizen actually represents something simultaneously aspirational and unattainable.
It is UFO disclosure, it is flat earth proof, it is lord Jeebus himself return to save the sinners, it is the alien from the Pleiades living in a cell under the Nevada Desert.
It is always around the corner coming soon.
It's a crazy social phenomenon within the world of gaming. It's like the funfair coming to town - completely disconnected from the real world, buy a ticket and stay as long as you like.
It is impervious to reason and rationale.
And it always needs money, lots and lots of money.
This will go on for years. There is a market for dreams. It will not collapse, go bankrupt, be scooped up by the bank or disappear.
Star Citizen actually represents something simultaneously aspirational and unattainable.
It is UFO disclosure, it is flat earth proof, it is lord Jeebus himself return to save the sinners, it is the alien from the Pleiades living in a cell under the Nevada Desert.
It is always around the corner coming soon.
It's a crazy social phenomenon within the world of gaming. It's like the funfair coming to town - completely disconnected from the real world, buy a ticket and stay as long as you like.
It is impervious to reason and rationale.
And it always needs money, lots and lots of money.
I've had my SC refund recently with little fuss.
If Star Citizen and SQ42 ever release in full and reviews are positive, then I'll buy a copy of the full game. And DLC updates if they massively expand the first release.
Will just wait see what happens now in the years to come.
If Star Citizen and SQ42 ever release in full and reviews are positive, then I'll buy a copy of the full game. And DLC updates if they massively expand the first release.
Will just wait see what happens now in the years to come.
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