Would you pay to unlock Cutter/Corvette?

[Philip Coutts]

Okay might be time to take a breath and stop the arguments and actually discuss the topic in a nice polite way. Otherwise it will make me angry and I might spill my G&T and that would be tragic...

 

[Judz]

Okay might be time to take a breath and stop the arguments and actually discuss the topic in a nice polite way. Otherwise it will make me angry and I might spill my G&T and that would be tragic...

Spill it, spill it. Get the Rum and Coke on the go.

 

[popuptoaster]

I probably would pay to unlock stuff as it happens as i'm quite lazy but have spare cash these days.

However, I don't think it's good for the game and shouldn't be added, I unlocked the Cutter months ago and am (without really trying) not that far from unlocking the Corvette as well.

Game already has enough problems without adding to them by letting people buy lethal ships to gank other players with without at least putting in some time and effort.

 

[Droid8Apple]

You've already completed the 5,000 LY from start requirement for Palin then.

thanks for the reply! that's frickin awesome. you looked at the picture? so it's not a linear 5,000ly from start like going 5,000 from lhs 3447, but have traveled a total of 5,000ly ... is the number i have a lot for a non-explorer? that's so weird. lol.

edit: and thanks for not perceiving that as me being anything but oblivious to palin because I haven't reached that part of engineers yet, only heard about it on Lave radio and got sick to my stomach thinking about going that far away having never done it before.

 

[BlackSpaceCowboy]

No, because I would not want to reward them for creating more grind barriers to content.

 

[Strangepork]

I'm just curious. Would you pay money to unlock these ships? You'd still have to pay for them in-game and you wouldn't have the rank associated... just unlock the ships. If so, how much would you pay?

No, I don't see this as "pay to win" because you still have to fork over 1 billion for the Cutter to be equipped handsomely which doesn't even talk about the insurance or anything else. As for the Vette, if you can A-grade a Conda you can A-grade it for the most part. Similarly, I don't think that either of the two are a clear 'winner takes all' over the anaconda personally. I've played for thousands of hours with a lot of those hours being beta where I could do whatever I want and in my experience I wouldn't choose one as the best. If i did it'd be the Anaconda because it is a legit mixture of the 2 others.

I can't stand the "turning" of the Cutter but would love to have it's cargo/no mass lock/able to escape after submitting interdiction.

If ship transfer were sensible for the money/time I'd love to have a Vette to strictly use for combat, but the armor of the Anaconda makes up for the "less than" shields in comparison to the Vette/Cutter. But who wants to gamble letting their shields down? I don't. But that "hop" range (doesn't qualify as jumping) is disgusting. It's enough time-sink to get and outfit those 2, they should all have jump range. My engineered Conda has 27ly jumps with full armor, 2x5D module reinforcement, 1x5D hull reinforcement, shield cells and boosters...

Anyhow- enough rambling just figured I'd see what other people thought. If you made it this far then I'd personally pay $20 each to unlock them for purchase. For me, I'd get my money back knowing with hundreds of hours fine tuning alone to specialize them to specific roles. Not to mention the time using them to accomplish such roles.

I did, played the game.

 

[MrFailfactory]

thanks for the reply! that's frickin awesome. you looked at the picture? so it's not a linear 5,000ly from start like going 5,000 from lhs 3447, but have traveled a total of 5,000ly ... is the number i have a lot for a non-explorer? that's so weird. lol.

edit: and thanks for not perceiving that as me being anything but oblivious to palin because I haven't reached that part of engineers yet, only heard about it on Lave radio and got sick to my stomach thinking about going that far away having never done it before.

It is 5000 light years from your starting position. If I were to travel 200,000 light years in total without leaving the bubble, I would not qualify.

If this has changed, someone please correct it.

On topic: My time is valuable, and as such, I would have indeed paid to unlock them. Additionally, I don't have any "now what do I do" issues with this game, nor did I need any experience or ramp up time to be able to fly them competently, so those points would not be applicable, in my case.

These are also the reasons that ships like these should never be something that can be purchased with real money. A smaller ship, or a highly specialized one, sure, but not ships like the Cutter or the Corvette. Those are long-term goal rewards, and should remain that way.

Riôt

 

[krylite]

Nah, the requirements are valid. Many have had to choose between going for corvette or cutter for their time and efforts. A personal goal of my gameplay was attaning the cutter which I finally did after nine months and I had saved up and never did engineering to save up and prepare for the cutter. Part of the gameplay is choosing with limited in-game resources, not outside interference. Just because someone already has a corvette and wants a shortcut to the cutter soon after doesn't make much sense in the overall progression design where many have already progressed to their cutters where there are literally hundreds of cutter owners already as evidenced in recent powerplay expansion vs. opposition campaigns. Having a p2w path to the cutter cheapens the idea of rank progression and devalues the overall progression gameplay making it look like a beta build. They should add 20 more useful ships to the roster with many in the ranked progressions ( and introduce an Alliance naval progression too) where this cutter envy will soon be completely trivial by then.

 

[Syntherios]

Please.

They're locked behind a grind wall because Frontier have zero ability to design compelling game play or worlds to keep players entertained. Hence, they rely on grind to prolong play time.

That said, I wouldn't pay to unlock anything. In fact I think paint jobs should be available in the game, with in game credits. This is full price game, despite it's striking resemblance to a free, mobile addiction engine.

Judging by your tone, you seem to be implying that I agree with Frontier's design choices -- which I don't. I don't think grinds are good for games. At all. But do you know what's worse than locking something behind a grind wall? Locking something behind a grind wall that could be easily vaulted with a credit card. At least now you have to earn things.

 

[timbero]

No, I don't see this as "pay to win" because you still have to fork over 1 billion for the Cutter

You should be able to pay to unlock perfectly engineered modules too. No, I don't see this as "pay to win" because you would still have to pay for the modules.

Que pasa?

Okay might be time to take a breath and stop the arguments and actually discuss the topic in a nice polite way. Otherwise it will make me angry and I might spill my G&T and that would be tragic...

Spilling G&T is a crime punishable by death.

But do you know what's worse than locking something behind a grind wall? Locking something behind a grind wall that could be easily vaulted with a credit card. At least now you have to earn things.

+1.

I'm just curious. Would you pay money to unlock these ships?

No.

Altough I could agree that the current way of unlocking them might not be the best way.

 

[iFred]

Pay2Win is a NoGo-Area.

 

[CAPT. Ho Chi Minge]

Took me an age and a day to unlock the vette and cutter , hells bells if i'll be happy should it be unlocked with cash. You want the shiny then work for it, you dont want to put the effort in then you dont really want it, simple.

 

[Spacecat]

I don't even pay for paint jobs and they are way less useful.

 

[Agony_Aunt]

Nope, wouldn't pay and don't think it would be a good idea. Would set a precedent i'm not happy with being in game.

Also, the big ships tend to be pretty boring and on a personal level i'm not particularly interested if flying either of those ships. I've had two Anacondas and sold them both. The only massive ship i have now is the Beluga, because i find that fun.

 

[Ziljan]

Would I pay credits, like those corrupt guys who but titles? Sure, but only because it would mean that I could play the way I want.

Would I pay cash for a Cutter? No. And not on principle, but rather because I hate the way it looks like a jumbo jet.


I already earned the gimpy Anaconda... err, Corvette. So no need to pay monies there. Except maybe for paint jobs, I mean it's only good for looking good anyway, so I might as min-max the bling factor.

 

[CAPT. Ho Chi Minge]

Nope, wouldn't pay and don't think it would be a good idea. Would set a precedent i'm not happy with being in game.

Also, the big ships tend to be pretty boring and on a personal level i'm not particularly interested if flying either of those ships. I've had two Anacondas and sold them both. The only massive ship i have now is the Beluga, because i find that fun.

Never a truer word said, im only flying the vette just now because its a fresh buy having had the rank but not the cash for quite some time. Already though i have an itch to get back in the smaller ships for some speed and maneuvering.

Most likely the new vette will get mothballed soon and can sit gathering dust with the explora conda and bulk trade cutter.

 

[timbero]

I already earned the gimpy Anaconda... err, Corvette. So no need to pay monies there. Except maybe for paint jobs, I mean it's only good for looking good anyway, so I might as min-max the bling factor.

A Corvette is also good for obliterating Anacondas (and their bitter owners).

 

[V'larr]

Once upon a time I might have said no...that it should be a challenge to unlock.

But if I'm to be real honest here, the biggest reason I've been dallying with other games (like Assassin's Creed IV, which is as near a perfect game as I've ever played, sadly I finished it 100% already) is because the grind to the Federal Corvette has been turning me off.

Like, I'll be sitting here, thinking of something to do...and I'd almost rather just watch some TV or read a book - the things I'm normally doing while also playing Elite - without playing Elite!

So...I can't deny that right now, given the opportunity, I'd pay to unlock the Corvette rather than push through this grind.

But, at the same time, I know at *some point* I'll get the itch again, long enough to finally unlock the thing, and from that point forward I anticipate having oodles of fun blowing things up.

Til then, I've been content sparingly dipping my toes into the odd CG while doing other stuff.

Take it for what you will!



p.s. If anyone knows about a reliable Federal equivalent of Wu Guinagi/HIP 10716...I'd love to know!

 

[Aashenfox]

You already can in a way, find enough donation missions, and it unlocks! Voila!

I don't think the barrier is the unlock, it's the outfitting credits requirement. I don't understand how someone could reach a billion credits without getting enough rank to unlock it. /shrug

 

[V'larr]

You already can in a way, find enough donation missions, and it unlocks! Voila!

I don't think the barrier is the unlock, it's the outfitting credits requirement. I don't understand how someone could reach a billion credits without getting enough rank to unlock it. /shrug

Community goals, basically. Unless you're into exploit bandwagoning