Do you want the Thargoids to hit hard and be actually a threat to the Bubble?

[kofeyh]

For myself I want the Thargoids to be diverse.

I think that's a very common hope. The problem, is "diverse" for some is 100% "non-combat". That's not diverse, it's no more diverse than 100% "combat". I am of the opinion that 'multiple outcomes' are valid. However we have to consider we're applying human thinking to a race that isn't human.

They may not have the same degree of 'diversity' in the way they interact. They have fundamentally different physiology and operate in an entirely different manner. There's no 'humanoid' type trope here. The assumption that all aliens will obviously always be peaceful, is a flawed one. Complicated? Sure. Pacifists every time?

Not even Gene Roddenberry's star-trek was that naive. And it was pretty naive. Sometimes, they really are just out to get you.

 

[lokvette]

The bubble is rather large, when thinking in human terms, so I dont think they should be a threat to the whole of it.

Saying that I do want to see stuff burning be reading reports of out lying systems falling to the Thargoids whislt seeing huge conveys of ships heading into the bubble, along with CG asking for any ship with a cabin to take people out of affected or soon to be affected areas. Some epic last stand Wolf 359 moments, and have them leaving a wake of death and destruction.

I hope and I do belive FD know that if they fudge this up and give us some lame rehashed CZ its going to do them a lot of harm in the eyes of many. What I and others want may not be what we get but I do hope Im wrong and they were right in saying we should be afraid, the last game that did that to me was the first F.E.A.R game.

If its like the above or close to it, then Im all game for a bit of Thargoid bashing if its not I'll keep going around the edge of the Galaxy untill I can no longer handle the madness.

 

[Net-FX]

I think it's fair to say that there has been a lot of views covering either en mass invasion of the Thargoids through to CZ limited encounters however, the overwhelming census seems to be based on 'The Thargoids are coming....we are all doomed".

Depending on how closely FD follow the Elite-lore. There is a third possibility.... chilling out space-side with the 'friendly' Thargoid faction. Assisting them might give you access to a translator module, allowing you to understand them and perhaps even do some Thargoid missions, earning you some serious tech or even...maybe, your own Thargoid ship?

If this happens then it's Adios Bubble for me

Just my thoughts

 

[simulacrae]

Ya i imagine it will be war followed by a thargoid foothold in our corner of the galaxy.... Essentially a new superpower with all that entails... But we shall see...

Pathetic and patriotic for sure, but still... Propaganda!
Just to get the human monster behind the smiling faces.

For myself I want the Thargoids to be diverse. As diverse as those factions in the bubble.
Some will get into fight mode with you on sight. Other maybe just are ignoring your.
Others you might be able to get into communication to barter with.

But I don't expect that many are sharing my point of view. There are too many blood thirsty people
out there already advertising bloody businesses.

Maybe I will change jobs for a while going from CMDR to undertaker riding funeral barks. Very profitable thing
in the near future I guess.

Regards,
Miklos

 

[Jackie Silver]

I want them to be *alien*. Beyond that, I don't much care what happens.

 

[Bran Tse Mallory]

Meanwhile in Quince we of the foundation are waiting with baited breath for the peace that might follow an invasion finally bringing the Empire driven wars in our system to an end and stopping all those credit mongers from having such a free time in our glorious out of the way system.

 

[CMDR Cosmic Spacehead]

I'd love it if stations were fully destroyable, but only from capital ships and Thargoids.

Imagine taking a mission to deliver some goods to a remote outpost on the fringe of the bubble.
You arrive in system, it's quiet, but it's a fringe system, they always are, aren't they?
You approach the outpost in supercruise, still quiet. Where is everyone?
You drop down, and..
Boom. It's just a massive debris field.

With loot. Lol
You check other stations in the area.
All gone. Surface ports and settlements too.

But you spot a persistent USS.
"Staging post".
You drop in to see 4 capital ships, and loads of other ships from the Empire or Federation, forming up a fleet to strike back.
You can sign up, or continue on your way.

Now I'd love that.

But I bet someone will complain and say that's "a waste of my time"... Lol

CMDR Cosmic Spacehead

 

[the100thmonkey]

I think it's fair to say that there has been a lot of views covering either en mass invasion of the Thargoids through to CZ limited encounters however, the overwhelming census seems to be based on 'The Thargoids are coming....we are all doomed".

Depending on how closely FD follow the Elite-lore. There is a third possibility.... chilling out space-side with the 'friendly' Thargoid faction. Assisting them might give you access to a translator module, allowing you to understand them and perhaps even do some Thargoid missions, earning you some serious tech or even...maybe, your own Thargoid ship?

If this happens then it's Adios Bubble for me

Just my thoughts

As far as I know, the books are canon. This means that there are two hives - Klaxians and Oresrians, who are embroiled in a civil war, and the Oresrians are undertaking a retreat through our space to use us as meat shields. Think Rocky punching cow carcasses when he's in the training montage section of the film.

Even without the lore, I think FD are smart enough to realise that introducing only pewpew will alienate a big enough contingent of the community for it to be damaging on the whole. The lore allows it, and public statements from the devs suggest that there are going to be more than just opportunities for shooting aliens in the face.

I think whataver happens, it will start around Maia. If the Oresrians are beating a slow retreat, that will give plenty of time for development of both narrative and game over the subsequent months.

I wouldn't be surprised if there were opportunities to interact with Oresrian outposts, possibly even Oresrian factions.

 

[Falcon_D]

I think that's a very common hope. The problem, is "diverse" for some is 100% "non-combat". That's not diverse, it's no more diverse than 100% "combat". I am of the opinion that 'multiple outcomes' are valid. However we have to consider we're applying human thinking to a race that isn't human.

They may not have the same degree of 'diversity' in the way they interact. They have fundamentally different physiology and operate in an entirely different manner. There's no 'humanoid' type trope here. The assumption that all aliens will obviously always be peaceful, is a flawed one. Complicated? Sure. Pacifists every time?

Not even Gene Roddenberry's star-trek was that naive. And it was pretty naive. Sometimes, they really are just out to get you.

I would like to see aggressive and non-aggressive aliens. It might just be possible that there would be 2 alien races involved. The Guardians and the Thargoids.

Unfortunately it can't be helped, applying human thinking to these alien races, because the "gods" that created them are human after all. I doubt if we can even begin to imagine what an alien species is actually thinking, cause basically we have yet to meet one. Humans can't even figure out what most animals that live in the same world as us are thinking. Heck, most humans I know (including me) can rarely figure out what the other-half of humanity is thinking.

Have fun, fly safe. o7

 

[CMDR MRMAURICE]

As far as I know, the books are canon. This means that there are two hives - Klaxians and Oresrians, who are embroiled in a civil war, and the Oresrians are undertaking a retreat through our space to use us as meat shields. Think Rocky punching cow carcasses when he's in the training montage section of the film.

Even without the lore, I think FD are smart enough to realise that introducing only pewpew will alienate a big enough contingent of the community for it to be damaging on the whole. The lore allows it, and public statements from the devs suggest that there are going to be more than just opportunities for shooting aliens in the face.

I think whataver happens, it will start around Maia. If the Oresrians are beating a slow retreat, that will give plenty of time for development of both narrative and game over the subsequent months.

I wouldn't be surprised if there were opportunities to interact with Oresrian outposts, possibly even Oresrian factions.

This. Anybody read premonition? If not this is kinda a spoiler.

 

[K M Butler]

Need Choices. Some no thargoids, some with some, some with lots, some overrun. Some hostile, some peaceable, some being exploited (not in the cheat sense), some doing the exploiting. Some Open, some Solo, Some Mobithargoids, Some Smiling Tharg-crew. Lots of choices. Something for everyone. Changing everything from beige to blood (or thargoid green) is not an improvement.

 

[Miklos Atreides]

I think that's a very common hope. The problem, is "diverse" for some is 100% "non-combat". That's not diverse, it's no more diverse than 100% "combat". I am of the opinion that 'multiple outcomes' are valid. However we have to consider we're applying human thinking to a race that isn't human.

They may not have the same degree of 'diversity' in the way they interact. They have fundamentally different physiology and operate in an entirely different manner. There's no 'humanoid' type trope here. The assumption that all aliens will obviously always be peaceful, is a flawed one. Complicated? Sure. Pacifists every time?

Not even Gene Roddenberry's star-trek was that naive. And it was pretty naive. Sometimes, they really are just out to get you.

I won't expect them more peacefull than some commanders. And just because they are so different than us, simply a wrong move can initiate a ship loss quickly.
Even doing nothing can be as wrong as deploying hardpoints. You will never know unless you see the logic behind. Do they have some kind of logic?
I suppose that becasue they are navigating through space hence something like logic is needed to set a course.
They will have some impact to the bubble for sure and commanders killing their babies should be addressed by them.
But if they address mankind in space or individuals we do not know today. I hope they make a difference from time to time.

Regards,
Miklos

 

[[VR] Mad Mike]

? I wonder if we're getting proper multiplayer encounters where healing will be needed in drawn out tactical battles. Just kinda thinking out loud.

I really hope not. IF ED ever became a game where it demands me to play multiplayer if i want to experience the content i think i am out...... I am fine with it as an option but we desperately need npc equivalents to do all this stuff.

as it is the player who cant play in open already has to splay cheeks and take it with all the ddf content around npc crew and npc wings being dropped, i really do not want it to get more so.

(i have no issue with wing based play per se, just not forced multiplayer wing based play)

if anything this could be something where the consoles help players like myself... because they are subs driven for anyone who wants to play MP and my hope is FD wont wantto force players down that path.

 

[StiTch]

There are many ways for Frontier to make ultra-hard content optional

Do you believe for a second we'll be getting any difficult content, even if optional?

A mill credits says that if something challenging actually gets released, the "having anything at all I can't destroy in this badly outfitted multipurpose ship hurts my ego hard" group will have them downgraded to flying bugs with peashooters within a couple of patches.

There have already been many ways for challenging content to exist, and FD have fallen drastically short at every turn.

 

[Chrysophylax]

I mean seriously, nobody has suggested that when you log in you should be greeted by an avatar of Braben's head screaming 'SHOW ME YOUR WAR FACE SON!'

Can this please be a thing, holy moly

 

[Han_Zen]

I want it all to burn. A desperate struggle to keep a hold on the Bubble, with failure meaning a mass exodus. Anyone remaining would have to run the gauntlet of being attacked by Thargoids and with functional stations being few and far between.

This is the type of real tangible impact i would like (though i doubt Frontier would take it, as its pretty hardcore).

I would like this. The entire bubble shred to pieces, leaving only obscure planetary settlement and hidden asteroid bases for rebels and tribes. A place for brave scavenger and alien hunters. A place to hunt for our past riches and for alien goodies.

Relocate the rest of humanity to the Exodus sites and Colonia. Let the struggle be to retake the bubble, not to defend it.

 

[Navigare Necesse Est]

I'm going to take off my staff hat and put on my player hat for a second...

This would be immeeeeeense. I know it's not for everyone, but if the Thargoid invasion return (they've been here before!) is one of violence, I want to see everything being subject to it. If they attack, turn everything on the edges of the bubble into rubble (hey, look! rhyming happened...) and then moving inexorably toward the seats of power within each of the major ruling factions. Like I say, it's not for everyone. It'd still be frickin' cool though.

*staff hat back on*

Err... you'll know more soon! Not going to spoil anything though

It'd be cool in a movie. Not in a game where people spent thousands of hours building up their little sand castles.

 

[kofeyh]

It'd be cool in a movie. Not in a game where people spent thousands of hours building up their little sand castles.

Frontier are their own worst enemy. The game (as it stands) is also it's own worst enemy. People have become overly comfortable (AI are back to 1.x, without the spin) where risk can essentially be entirely obviated. And a lot of interaction is simply not memorable. This is going to potentially damn a lot of content, for a very long time, because anything that doesn't fit into that neat little box of obviated responsibility? Will be rejected.

I have no interest in watching the bubble burn to the ground. I don't think anyone is really advocating such an extreme swing to the point that "everything is gone". But the reverse of that, is a plausible result. My worst fear? Isn't that the Thargoids will roll humanity. It's that they could simply be irrelevant. That they never had the potential to. That the future is set. We win. Nobody dies^tm.

Because that? is distinctly possible. Simply forgettable. That, would be profoundly disappointing. On just about every level imaginable.

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What I am hoping, is that thargoids essentially become another powerplay faction (only AI/ Frontier driven); only their expansion and or contraction and moving around, is as a mirror of what we do; we push them back in one place, they retreat, but expand elsewhere. A way to give us some degree of ability to influence (but not define) the outcomes. Essentially what we do, and what frontier have cooked up, combine, to create a pretty dynamic story.

That would suddenly give a lot of BGS players huge buy in; rolling those systems? or powerplay groups pushing growth? Actually means something now. It means everyone gets a slice of the action, at a level they can manage. Perhaps exploration data could help isolate where the big bad is. Or where they may go next. Or help discover more about our potential foe; or if there are others out there that might come to our aid. It also means there's potential for conflict and pressure points for pirates and bounty hunters and mission runners to profit from, and PVP people to go hunting in to farm salty tears.

Something for more or less everyone. I can hope. Right?

 

[CMDR Zadian Lichtfrost]

… I am of the opinion that 'multiple outcomes' are valid. However we have to consider we're applying human thinking to a race that isn't human.

They may not have the same degree of 'diversity' in the way they interact. They have fundamentally different physiology and operate in an entirely different manner. There's no 'humanoid' type trope here. The assumption that all aliens will obviously always be peaceful, is a flawed one. Complicated? Sure. Pacifists every time?
…

Completely agree.

I personally think "completely indifferent to humans" would be the most logical result of truly aliens aliens. I just think that aliens would have absolutely nothing in common with us making any interaction completely unlikely (unless provoked).
This is, in my opinion, not "peaceful".
For that reason trading or trading would be more unlikely than the typical "alien invasion" scenario. Peaceful interaction requires mutual understanding and communication and that would be extremely implausible if the aliens are truly alien.

Thargoids don't compete with humans in most basic needs - territory and food. They need ammonia worlds that are extremely hostile to humans. Their biology is very different to that of humans making food incompatible between species. Since they apparently use biological based equipment they might even need different resources.
That way most reasons for wars between humans and even most reasons for conflict between animals are simply not existent.

FD will need to come up with a good explanation why there is a conflict between humans and Thargoids.

The problem is, that truly alien aliens are probably very boring for many players. I don't think anything really alien will happen with the thargoids.

I guess Thargoids will be very human in their behavior, simply because that way there are more ways to interact with them. More ways to interact with them is more gameplay. In the end the reason why the Thargoids exist - more gameplay.

D. Braben's comments about "The Return" are interesting. I get the impression that the effect of the Thargoids will be varied - combat, cultural and technological. It's going to be interesting to see how this works out and how much of the vision FD will manage to put into the game.

I'd love it if stations were fully destroyable, …

When does the destruction of a station happen and what happens to player assets stored in that station?

While such a scenario surely is interesting (albeit a bit over used in Sci-Fi) it causes quite some problems in an MMO setting.

Does anybody remember the cerberus plague and the reaction of the players after they noticed that the quarantined stations won't let them access their spaceships that where stored there?
I don't think FD will do something like that again.

 

[Navigare Necesse Est]

Frontier are their own worst enemy. The game (as it stands) is also it's own worst enemy. People have become overly comfortable (AI are back to 1.x, without the spin) where risk can essentially be entirely obviated. And a lot of interaction is simply not memorable. This is going to potentially damn a lot of content, for a very long time, because anything that doesn't fit into that neat little box of obviated responsibility? Will be rejected.

I have no interest in watching the bubble burn to the ground. I don't think anyone is really advocating such an extreme swing to the point that "everything is gone". But the reverse of that, is a plausible result. My worst fear? Isn't that the Thargoids will roll humanity. It's that they could simply be irrelevant. That they never had the potential to. That the future is set. We win. Nobody dies^tm.

Because that? is distinctly possible. Simply forgettable. That, would be profoundly disappointing. On just about every level imaginable.

I don't think the same would be true if the game experience wasn't shared with other players. One of the biggest advantages of video games is that you can tell a story in different facets and let the player decide which turn of events they want to follow.
The shared galaxy limits this extremely. You can't have the Empire be destroyed and become Galactic Overlord for different players with this setting. And shoving a whole different galaxy state down people's throats won't end very well.