Star Citizen Thread v6

[krylite]

Someone posted this in the "Star Citizen Refunds" reddit:

"And a crowdfunded Triple-A game might never come to fruitation again due to the amount of damage CR will and have done to the entire model itself.
Not all ambitious projects are gonna be a succes."

???
ED is a success partially due to crowdfunding. Those refunders and their friends should reinvest a dime on the dollar portion of their refund into a game that actually works, ED Where spacelegs and a whole new gameplay will eventually come outplaying, outclassing and destroying the idiot ponzi dreams of CIG relegated into the dust of wannabe history.

 

[amigacooke]

Someone posted this in the "Star Citizen Refunds" reddit:

"And a crowdfunded Triple-A game might never come to fruitation again due to the amount of damage CR will and have done to the entire model itself.
Not all ambitious projects are gonna be a succes."

???
ED is a success partially due to crowdfunding. Those refunders and their friends should reinvest a dime on the dollar portion of their refund into a game that actually works, ED Where spacelegs and a whole new gameplay will eventually come outplaying, outclassing and destroying the idiot ponzi dreams of CIG relegated into the dust of wannabe history.

My experience with video games in general on KickStarter have led to the following rules:

• Never believe the estimated release dates
• Never back anything that doesn't have macOS as a base goal (I realise this will not apply for Windows users, but probably does for Linux users)
• Never back above the minimum level to get the game

 

[Cmdr Eagleboy]

Someone posted this in the "Star Citizen Refunds" reddit:

"And a crowdfunded Triple-A game might never come to fruitation again due to the amount of damage CR will and have done to the entire model itself.
Not all ambitious projects are gonna be a succes."

???
ED is a success partially due to crowdfunding. Those refunders and their friends should reinvest a dime on the dollar portion of their refund into a game that actually works, ED Where spacelegs and a whole new gameplay will eventually come outplaying, outclassing and destroying the idiot ponzi dreams of CIG relegated into the dust of wannabe history.

SC fanbase are very strange bunch - but most of them lack any insight how other crowdfunded projects have done it. It seems if project haven't reported to be collecting beyond 20M or something, they don't care.

That's why CIG is allowed to get away with that - they lack information and they religiously reject anyone who tries to give some insight to that.

 

[knowles2]

This keeps on getting worse and worse doesn't it. First endless miss dead lines, now they are removing dates altogether.

If the Alpha good enough for the press it rally shouldn't be that far from being good enough for their supporters, which raises the question what smoke and mirror stunt are they trying to pull off .

 

[PiLhEaD]

I just popped on Spectrum to catch up on one of the recently Mod enforced megathreads where the world is inevitably falling once again...quite surprised to see my nagging post had been upvoted again with none of the usual silly little poop icons from the cult of Roberts groupies. I'll be getting banned from Spectrum soon I guess

Linky

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Wow and ouch!

I thought this thread could get pretty antsy and critical, but that's nothing to some of the superheated steam coming out on that thread.

 

[MTBFritz]

they surely gonna stay afloat till Gamescon but the overall tone and the hysteria build up more and more pressure to deliver on that date. I also dont see anything from CiG, no attempts to actually deescalate the growing tension within the community. The ATVs they are pouring out do less and less to calm people and raise more and more questions as to the feasability of it all. So they better have something awesome in reserve they can show on that date else I see grim times coming.

 

[Adept]

they surely gonna stay afloat till Gamescon but the overall tone and the hysteria build up more and more pressure to deliver on that date. I also dont see anything from CiG, no attempts to actually deescalate the growing tension within the community. The ATVs they are pouring out do less and less to calm people and raise more and more questions as to the feasability of it all. So they better have something awesome in reserve they can show on that date else I see grim times coming.

Either way, it should prove interesting.

 

[McGlashan]

This keeps on getting worse and worse doesn't it. First endless miss dead lines, now they are removing dates altogether.

Not having any dates at all means there's nothing to delay or miss entirely going forward, which will be spun into evidence that everything is fine by the faithful who have been finding it increasingly difficult to convince people of as much when CIG's own schedule ended up becoming a public record of their ongoing management failures instead of a list of their epic achievements.

 

[Agony_Aunt]

Oh my, just looking at the comments here: https://www.pcinvasion.com/star-citizen-aim-dates-removed-production-schedule/amp

This one is pure gold!

SQ42 is all finished since it uses same assets as SC. They have to just develop new tech now and when all the planet tech is ready they just need to switch it on SQ42 and ready for release.Developing never done before tech is not easy. NASA did not fly to the moon in a few days. Delays are normal for game development. Just because people don't undertsand game development and challenge in making something never done before.Other games took more years to develop. some 10 years like star wars. StarCitizen started major development 2 years ago, they had to build all the studios and do research frirst. One of their research was alien language, how long do you think it takes to learn alien language? Can't be done in a year.

Its like they compiled every excuse and meme in relation to SC development and posted it all in one post. They even got in the people don't understand software development meme!

Most amusing though is their username... StarCitizen2015.

However, what i find most amusing is their statement that SQ42 is complete, just waiting on stuff from SC to make it work, like planets and spaceships... and... game mechanics presumably?

The big question i think many of us asking though is how complete SQ42 is. CIG have been very silent on the topic. The only news i've heard recently was how the devs in the UK were pulled ofSQ42 to work on 3.0. Naturally, that's a worrying sign in itself, but understandable since SQ42 also needs a lot of the 3.0 stuff (and probably the 4.0/5.0/6.0 stuff as well.

Maybe the guy is right, maybe SQ42 is complete, just missing everything it needs to be complete that will come from SC.

But by the time SC has everything they need in SQ42, which is as i understand, just about everything except netcode...... that means they can't really finish SQ42 much before SC. Which then leads one to wonder about CR's statement about finishing SC with sales of SQ42.

Its all rather messy i think.

 

[hunvagy]

Oh my, just looking at the comments here: https://www.pcinvasion.com/star-citizen-aim-dates-removed-production-schedule/amp

This one is pure gold!



Its like they compiled every excuse and meme in relation to SC development and posted it all in one post. They even got in the people don't understand software development meme!

Most amusing though is their username... StarCitizen2015.

However, what i find most amusing is their statement that SQ42 is complete, just waiting on stuff from SC to make it work, like planets and spaceships... and... game mechanics presumably?

The big question i think many of us asking though is how complete SQ42 is. CIG have been very silent on the topic. The only news i've heard recently was how the devs in the UK were pulled ofSQ42 to work on 3.0. Naturally, that's a worrying sign in itself, but understandable since SQ42 also needs a lot of the 3.0 stuff (and probably the 4.0/5.0/6.0 stuff as well.

Maybe the guy is right, maybe SQ42 is complete, just missing everything it needs to be complete that will come from SC.

But by the time SC has everything they need in SQ42, which is as i understand, just about everything except netcode...... that means they can't really finish SQ42 much before SC. Which then leads one to wonder about CR's statement about finishing SC with sales of SQ42.

Its all rather messy i think.

Oh man, that link is gold. You guys remember what the catchphrase of DNF was, right? When it's done(tm)

So imagine the cackle that overcame me when I found this gem from aforementioned poster:

Software development is unpredictable. Sometimes you think you release your game in 2014 and then you realize that it takes longer than you thought and move it to sometime in the future. StarCitizen will be done when it is done.

*hums Megadeath's Duke Nukem rendition*

 

[Tuub t Tute]

There seems to be an increasing revisionist rhetoric from some "elders" of the SC community, that "Everyone knows the game won't be out until 2020..."; seemingly "Everyone but the CEO of the company?"

 

[Agony_Aunt]

Reddit keeps on delivering.

Star Citizen doesnt need to "release". It already has more features in its 2.6 alpha version than ED+Horizons combined lol

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitize...sappointing_but_i_dont_feel_like_cig/dllii2l/

So, there we have it. CIG devs can go home and spend some quality time with their families. I'm sure they will be overjoyed!

Just one small problem.... i don't recall 2.6 having any mining, exploration, trade.... erm..... or much of anything except a bit of pew-pew. Oh right, and no persistence either.

And as we see with 3.0, its not likely we will see anything like that is 3.0 either. Professions are till not getting worked on. They have talked a lot about missions and mission givers and locations, but we still haven't seen anything to show that there will be a lot of new stuff to do in 3.0. Lots of talk, but talk is cheap. How much new gameplay will actually be added in 3.0? That is a big question.

 

[JeffRyan]

Sometimes I'm under the impression that's pretty much all what the average ED player actually wants: a bit of pew-pew, or if in doubt, a lot of pew-pew...

Nope, just the noisiest children.

 

[Zetta]

Oh my, just looking at the comments here: https://www.pcinvasion.com/star-citizen-aim-dates-removed-production-schedule/amp

This one is pure gold!

SQ42 is all finished since it uses same assets as SC. They have to just develop new tech now and when all the planet tech is ready they just need to switch it on SQ42 and ready for release.Developing never done before tech is not easy. NASA did not fly to the moon in a few days. Delays are normal for game development. Just because people don't undertsand game development and challenge in making something never done before.Other games took more years to develop. some 10 years like star wars. StarCitizen started major development 2 years ago, they had to build all the studios and do research frirst. One of their research was alien language, how long do you think it takes to learn alien language? Can't be done in a year.

Its like they compiled every excuse and meme in relation to SC development and posted it all in one post. They even got in the people don't understand software development meme!

Most amusing though is their username... StarCitizen2015.

However, what i find most amusing is their statement that SQ42 is complete, just waiting on stuff from SC to make it work, like planets and spaceships... and... game mechanics presumably?

That reads like a Joe Blober post.

 

[MTBFritz]

[–]SirNanigansScout 15 Punkte vor 1 Tag
I've been pretty happy totally ignoring any dates, deadlines, and expectations. I highly recommend that others do the same. Sit back and enjoy the relatively huge amount of content they produce like ATV, Happy Hour, etc., and just forget about when you get to play.

Oh wow, is this what the white knights mean when they say that "Star Citizen already has more content then most AAA games"? And I like the passive controlling element tied to "huge". I mean its true, its relatively huge for an amoeba or a bacterium. Hehe, the delusion and fantasizing definitely takes on desperate characteristics now. Its probably the only way forward for many now.

 

[Viajero]

Oh my, just looking at the comments here: https://www.pcinvasion.com/star-citizen-aim-dates-removed-production-schedule/amp

This one is pure gold!



Its like they compiled every excuse and meme in relation to SC development and posted it all in one post. They even got in the people don't understand software development meme!

Most amusing though is their username... StarCitizen2015.

However, what i find most amusing is their statement that SQ42 is complete, just waiting on stuff from SC to make it work, like planets and spaceships... and... game mechanics presumably?

The big question i think many of us asking though is how complete SQ42 is. CIG have been very silent on the topic. The only news i've heard recently was how the devs in the UK were pulled ofSQ42 to work on 3.0. Naturally, that's a worrying sign in itself, but understandable since SQ42 also needs a lot of the 3.0 stuff (and probably the 4.0/5.0/6.0 stuff as well.

Maybe the guy is right, maybe SQ42 is complete, just missing everything it needs to be complete that will come from SC.

But by the time SC has everything they need in SQ42, which is as i understand, just about everything except netcode...... that means they can't really finish SQ42 much before SC. Which then leads one to wonder about CR's statement about finishing SC with sales of SQ42.

Its all rather messy i think.

Lol, that one is an obvious troll. Only thing missing was a mention about procedural birds....

 

[Ian Skippy]

There seems to be an increasing revisionist rhetoric from some "elders" of the SC community, that "Everyone knows the game won't be out until 2020..."; seemingly "Everyone but the CEO of the company?"

No, CR knows the Truth. But because many backers dont have the spine and the vision needed to be part of the Project, it is important CR occassionally bends the truth. The True Backers are never misled for we Know the Truth. Those misled want to be misled as it strengthens their resolve to fight for the Best Game Ever. Sometimes I wish these Doubting Backers would grow up so CR wouldn't have to spend so much energy getting them back in line. Honestly, if people would stop whining and doubting The Project all the time CR would probably have been able to finish this game already rather than come up with ways to appease you guys with the attention span of a frog.

 

[PiLhEaD]

.....you guys with the attention span of a frog.

A post from ribbit?

 

[Cmdr Eagleboy]

I can geniuely believe there are people who enjoy watching SC dev information as they just like game development in general. Heck, just few years ago I didn't mind SC content at all - as someone with curious interest in software development as professional and in game development as hobbyist, I can't deny that some time ago CiG purely development updates where exciting to follow.

However it is all beyond sour now for me. My only wish is FD would tell us more in detail about development. But it a) costs time which FD obviously don't have b) creates hype which poisons well for lot of fans as hype fails to deliver (as hype always does).

 

[Zetta]

I've been here a long time, you could even say the beginning. I'm certainly not the first to pledge, i can't claim that, but my number runs sub 4500 out of 1.8 million or whatever it is now. For me, Star Citizen is the daydream. I know there are a lot of jaded people out there now, angry at delays and perceived dishonesty of some sort or another; however, it's important not to lose sight of the big picture, of what SC represents to PC gaming and PC gaming veterans in particular.

Indeed, CIG could have just been another EA, pushing out badly-ported console dresh appealing to lowest common denominator gamers (I'm looking at you, every Battlefield game after 2), or another Ubisoft, releasing rehashed crap nobody even asked for (Assassins creed 567: Cromagnon armageddon! anyone?), or worse still, ruining beloved titles by turning them into weeaboo chinese cartoon versions, like Deus ex 2: Boss fight boogaloo (thanks, square enix...), and dare i say it, dumbed down versions of hilariously dark and intelligent games like the Fallout series (I mean, C'mon Bethsoft, you can do better).
Sure, you would have maybe had your game sooner (Fallout 4 was 6-8 years in dev. and doesnt even scratch the surface of what Chris Robers is attempting), but at what cost?


No, CIG is making something that we have not seen since the golden age of gaming, since games like Half-Life, Fallout 1 and 2, Baldur's Gate: 2, X-Wing, the original Deus Ex... Games which captured imaginations and defined genres.

For me, Star Citizen is an investment in the dream. To see everything I've ever wanted in a PC game in one title and a big eff you to mainstream devs who think they can push unfinished, recycled, low-effort crap on seasoned gamers and expect them to like it.

I'm getting older now, and SC will likely be the last PC game i ever play, but i'm ok with it taking a while, because i know it's going to be the best one.

I love how the rallying cry goes out every time there's upset in the hivemind, this one is from the thread aptly titled What's the daydream that keeps you here?