I bought what I thought was a Thrustmaster T-Flight Hotas from ebay for 13 quid! It turned out to be a Top Gun themed Thrustmaster, it was cheap but -apart from the awesome TopGun decals - looks identical to the Hotas. Maybe its the same stick? Anyway I just can't get to grips (hoho) with it. The throttle in particular I cannot fathom. Is it because I'm in alpha 1, have I just set it up incorrectly or is it broke? I'm all for tossing this thing in the neighbours skip.
Hardware & Technical T-16000m or Thrustmaster T-Flight Hotas ?
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@technome
Very much appreciate the input. Even though I'm on A1.1, I find that input from both Xbox joypad and ED-Tracker is indeed accepted simultaneously as the combination works perfectly. Perhaps it's something to do with the T-Flight, and maybe you are correct in suggesting the beta will resolve the issue - fingers crossed
No one's reported issues in the later alphas, so I reckon we're all good!
What does it say on the bottom plate of the stick? There should be the model name written on a white sticker.
By now everyone should know, that only girls group up to be women. Boys never grasped that concept and the term "man" merely describes a "fully grown" boy, but most certainly not grown up.
At least I've not met a single man I could confidently call grown up. (Talking about humans here, of course.)
So: No problem there. You're never too old.
What does it say on the bottom plate of the stick? There should be the model name written on a white sticker.
By now everyone should know, that only girls group up to be women. Boys never grasped that concept and the term "man" merely describes a "fully grown" boy, but most certainly not grown up.
At least I've not met a single man I could confidently call grown up. (Talking about humans here, of course.)
So: No problem there. You're never too old.
ha ha
he said fully grown boy
Not yet !! I'm 67 and also find it interesting that we both ended up with same avatar
Wow, not sure what impressed me most, someone my senior or another Dan Dare fan
I have asked for commander Daniel Dare as a replacement name and they haven't said no yet so fingers crossed..
I bought a thrustmaster 16000M. Well, I am still struggling hard with pitch/roll, since the stick is not responsive at all and it is not possible e.g. to land precisely. And adjusting sensitivity (in opposite to the mouse setting) does not seem to be possible atm. In fact it is easier for me to land with mouse&keyboard. But this is a no go for me. Has anyone an idea or experience, how to improve the responsiveness of the stick?
Have you looked at the TARGET software that goes with the stick? I don't use the TARGET software myself since my stick response is fine by default, but I did have a look and TARGET does support tuning the response curves.
I suspect you have the stick's pitch and roll axes bound to the "pitch up", "pitch down", "roll left" and "roll right" digital inputs in the control options. They should be bound to the analogue "pitch axis" and "roll axis".
Likewise the stick twist and throttle slider should be bound to the "yaw axis" and "throttle axis".
Hi,
i use two of the t16000 with the thrustmaster TARGET Software and a nice script from drakmaniso, where i have one phys. stick and one as combined stick. So i'm lefty and use the left stick, phys. device for flying and the right one, combined stick for throttle, FAon/off etc...
regards
snake
i use two of the t16000 with the thrustmaster TARGET Software and a nice script from drakmaniso, where i have one phys. stick and one as combined stick. So i'm lefty and use the left stick, phys. device for flying and the right one, combined stick for throttle, FAon/off etc...
regards
snake
I am pondering the same question and after some hours research I am still not wiser. I really need input from people who tested BOTH joysticks.
To me it looks, in simple words, the Hotas X of course has the throttle but the 16000m is "more precise".
* What disadvantage would the Hotas X have seeing that people say it's less precise?
* What disadvantage would it have NOT have a throttle/HOTAS and choose a joystick only, the 16000m?
Looking at it that way I can see me throttling either via keyboard or XBOX controller and then just use the "better " joystick 16000m? Why would that not work and why would a separate throttle like with the Hotas X be better?
To me it looks, in simple words, the Hotas X of course has the throttle but the 16000m is "more precise".
* What disadvantage would the Hotas X have seeing that people say it's less precise?
* What disadvantage would it have NOT have a throttle/HOTAS and choose a joystick only, the 16000m?
Looking at it that way I can see me throttling either via keyboard or XBOX controller and then just use the "better " joystick 16000m? Why would that not work and why would a separate throttle like with the Hotas X be better?
You can only understand the importance of the precision when you are engaged in the dogfight. And if one joystick allows more precision in this case - this is a definite advantage.
The "more-precision" argument is based on the fact that hall-effect sensing (T16000M) has a higher resolution than potentiometers (T-Flight). Thrustmaster state that it's a factor of 256 but they're quoting over area rather than linear throw so it's really 16x. So you'd imagine that it's like the difference between a high-DPI mouse and a standard one. However, the potentiometers used in joysticks like the T-Flight are already fairly high precision, with around 1,000 divisions over full deflection, so it's more like the difference between a high-DPI mouse and an uber-high-DPI one. In short, the difference in precision out of the box isn't as important as a lot of people think.
Where the T16000M has a clear advantage in precision is in the software that Thrustmaster provide. Custom response curves and deadzones can be set, whereas there's no such ability with the T-Flight. This means that the stick can be set so that it is much easier to make small movements near the stick's centre zone without reducing the response at higher deflections. This makes small corrections, such as those required for precise aiming, much easier than with linear response.
As a side point, it should be noted that hall-effect sensors are contactless, while potentiometers are not. This could have implications for long term reliability, although Thrustmaster's excellent reputation suggests that this is unlikely to be a problem.
Regarding throttles, there is no comparison between using a HOTAS and any other method. Having your hand on a control that is directly mapped to the throttle, coupled with various controls that you can use with the fingers and thumb of that hand, is the best solution by far. Once you've tried it, you'll never go back to a keyboard.
Wow, VERY helpful reply.
Yet, I am still having trouble to decide...and this is also a budget issue.
I could get a Hotas X very, very cheap (I am talking about €15+s/h) used.
While the 16000m without a question is the better JS it would "require" a throttle, the CH Pro throttle alone would cost €100 which I cannot/don't want to spend right this instant.
I am also an extreme beginner, I just got me the Beta yesterday and right now I am playing with a Xbox controller.
My question now, as for someone who is a bloody beginner and someone who is somewhat limited in budget, what should I do?
* Get a 16000m and then get a throttle later on? (This sounds actually like a good solution!)?
* Get a Hotas X and enjoy everything "out of the box" right away?
(Whereas there is a slight chance that at some point I am getting that much into the game that I want a better controller, and then I would be much better off with a 16000m and a CH Pro Throttle?)
As for now, I am actually tending towards the 16000m since I am not "losing" anything with it (since I can alwaxs get a throttle later) while with the Hotas X I am "locked in" in a "less than optimal" joystick? Would you agree?
Yet, I am still having trouble to decide...and this is also a budget issue.
I could get a Hotas X very, very cheap (I am talking about €15+s/h) used.
While the 16000m without a question is the better JS it would "require" a throttle, the CH Pro throttle alone would cost €100 which I cannot/don't want to spend right this instant.
I am also an extreme beginner, I just got me the Beta yesterday and right now I am playing with a Xbox controller.
My question now, as for someone who is a bloody beginner and someone who is somewhat limited in budget, what should I do?
* Get a 16000m and then get a throttle later on? (This sounds actually like a good solution!)?
* Get a Hotas X and enjoy everything "out of the box" right away?
(Whereas there is a slight chance that at some point I am getting that much into the game that I want a better controller, and then I would be much better off with a 16000m and a CH Pro Throttle?)
As for now, I am actually tending towards the 16000m since I am not "losing" anything with it (since I can alwaxs get a throttle later) while with the Hotas X I am "locked in" in a "less than optimal" joystick? Would you agree?
I use a T1600M and have no issues using the sliding throttle on the rear of the base, so no need to use keyboard for that.
I use the Hat switch for the Thrusters ( aids movement in combat as well as landing) and the rest I have assigned as I want to the main controls in flight.
Although since I started using Voice attack, a few of the buttons have become unused so I could reassign.
Deyrick
I use the Hat switch for the Thrusters ( aids movement in combat as well as landing) and the rest I have assigned as I want to the main controls in flight.
Although since I started using Voice attack, a few of the buttons have become unused so I could reassign.
Deyrick
If you can get a T-Flight HOTAS for around €15, I'd say that's worth buying to see if you like the HOTAS flight system. If you decide to upgrade later, you should easily get your €15 back.
I bought one for £35 new and was really impressed. It's an incredibly good stick for the price. I only upgraded (to an X-55, mainly due to the extra hats and toggles) because I received some unexpected funds. Otherwise, I'd be happily using the T-Flight.
*EDIT* That said, a T16000M and CH Products Pro Throttle would be a sweet combination...
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I started out with just a T16000M
I still use it and love how smooth it is and don't plan on changing to any other joystick.
I also used GlovePie to add a bunch of voice commands and also create more joystick buttons (hold one button to change the behaviour of all the others - it basically doubles the amount of buttons you have).
After a few months I bought the ch pro throttle - I think the feeling of having a separate throttle is a big thing and I wouldn't want to go back to only using the little slider on the joystick. All the extra buttons are also awesome, and I also ended up reducing the number of voice commands I use to just a few.
I still use it and love how smooth it is and don't plan on changing to any other joystick.
I also used GlovePie to add a bunch of voice commands and also create more joystick buttons (hold one button to change the behaviour of all the others - it basically doubles the amount of buttons you have).
After a few months I bought the ch pro throttle - I think the feeling of having a separate throttle is a big thing and I wouldn't want to go back to only using the little slider on the joystick. All the extra buttons are also awesome, and I also ended up reducing the number of voice commands I use to just a few.