Star Citizen Thread v6

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It seems that they have a build of 3.0 in Gamescom

https://twitter.com/RobertsSpaceInd/status/899640380681056256

They better have. Everything else would be an embarassment, after Roberts touted 3.0 for the end of 2016 one year ago.

The wording however leaves tons of headroom to not have any 3.0 to show in running condition. Because they can just cobble together a limited section of Daymar in the editor, drive around on it for 10 minutes and call it a "Daymar experience". Just like some of their more blind faithfuls are calling Alpha 2.x a game, whereas it's a tech demo.
 
They better have. Everything else would be an embarassment, after Roberts touted 3.0 for the end of 2016 one year ago.

The wording however leaves tons of headroom to not have any 3.0 to show in running condition. Because they can just cobble together a limited section of Daymar in the editor, drive around on it for 10 minutes and call it a "Daymar experience". Just like some of their more blind faithfuls are calling Alpha 2.x a game, whereas it's a tech demo.

What's being demonstrated at Citcom is racing a Nox spacebike on Daymar, that's all...around 5% of what is supposedly contained in 3.0.

CiG are showing a playable tech demo of the only thing they could get working...
 
Dsmart on Twitter:

Several sources (at 2 studios) are telling me that 3.0 is largely UNPLAYABLE. It is a crash-fest & resource hog, needs min 6 mnths more work

Apparently, Chris Robert's presentation that's set for this Friday, is rumored to include similar isolated levels, instead of the full game
 
What's being demonstrated at Citcom is racing a Nox spacebike on Daymar, that's all...around 5% of what is supposedly contained in 3.0.

CiG are showing a playable tech demo of the only thing they could get working...

I suppose they wouldn't want to show everything before the main event... But the other two screens I could see seemed to be playing the same sort of thing...[blah]

Disappointing number of dinosaurs.
 
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The Jesus patch! We need the jesus patch ....! Please, the full Jesus patch, not the isolated Jesus patch!
What we'll get is details about the new jesus patch. Not 3.0, but the one after it which will make up for all the things that are broken or missing from 3.0.
Two years on from 2.0, it won't be all that long before "any more than 3 years and it'll be stale" will apply to 3.0 itself.
 

Jenner

I wish I was English like my hero Tj.
If all CIG is showing will be another limited 3.0 demo then that's just terrible. They showed a 3.0 demo last year after all. I mean, really... It's been 12 months since we've seen that Freelancer mission with Miles the mission giver and everything.

They need to get 3.0 out to backers to prove that they're on the ball. Anything short of that will be a major disappointment.
 
They need to get 3.0 out to backers to prove that they're on the ball. Anything short of that will be a major disappointment.

To people who haven't drunken the kool-aid, yes. Faithfuls? Humans have a surprising capability for mental gymnastics to explain why something that ran one year ago - as they were led to believe - cannot be shown or expanded upon one year after. And if they don't want to believe that it was a tightly controlled demo to make it appear like there was a working game behind it while it really wasn't, they won't.

They'll rather believe Derek Smart broke into CIG's offices and stole their super secret code repository, so CIG had to start everything from scratch and couldn't get it working in time anymore.
 
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Amazing how DS magically needs 'sources' to work out what everyone who as an interest in SC...from any viewpoint... can deduce from reading between the lines and making stuff up all by themselves. :rolleyes:

In another life, DS and CR were Laurel and Hardy...

Wouldn't that mean though, that his point of view was right?... I thought Baelzebub would perform Bolero before that happened?
 
Amazing how DS magically needs 'sources' to work out what everyone who as an interest in SC...from any viewpoint... can deduce from reading between the lines and making stuff up all by themselves. :rolleyes:

In another life, DS and CR were Laurel and Hardy...

Not entirely sure why you type 'magically'. People use sources because they tend to be more reliably than assumptions based without sources. That seems... common sense. So if you have access to people within CIG you'd have better info, so a better chance of your assumptions being correct. And when you discuss your opinion and put them online, disclosing whether or not what you say is (partly) based on sources or strictly 'deduced from a distance' is perfectly fine.
 
It has been possible to deduce that the headline features shown since mid 2015 are standalone r&d tech. Caveats included in some of the dev videos (one of which I quoted twice in this thread relating to the planetside tech) further confirm this.

There is nothing from inside CIG or ex-CIG sources in the public domain regarding the reasons why modules developed by CIG and 3rd parties cannot be pulled into the PU - with the exception of Ilfonic's (canned) Star Marine work.

However these conversations HAVE happened in private and there are a fair number of folks within and around the industry with an insight into this, and with better knowledge and experience of game dev than someone like me could ever hope to have.

I had the opportunity to ask a CIG programmer why none of this stuff ever made it into the PU (among other questions), and if I posted the response without the swear words there wouldn't be much of it left.

It's straightforward enough to find out what's going on with this project behind the marketing and it won't become fully in the public domain until "it is 100% certain that Chris Roberts is never working in this industry again"
 
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Also this post may be deleted as off topic which is fair enough, but Derek knows a hell of a lot more than he lets on and he isn't the only person.

If CIG are still asking for money it is BEYOND time that they need to come clean regarding the engine.

They had devs in 2016 who had become literally ill over all this, and they're doing the same thing at Gamescom they did last year and will scoop in millions.

If whales want to click a big donate button that's fine, but that's not what's going on - and those promoting the project by reposting marketing ought to make themselves aware of a few facts, because as far as myself and many others are concerned they're culpable.
 
it won't become fully in the public domain until "it is 100% certain that Chris Roberts is never working in this industry again"

Unfortunately, unless Gamescon goes absolutely brilliantly for CIG and they have something really impressive to show off that keeps existing backers happy, and convinces new backers to sign up, Genuine Roberts may be out of the industry just as soon as the funds dry up.

This is, I think, the last chance for him - and he's gambled everything on this venture. If it fails (like so many previous projects) then I don't see him picking up the pieces and trying again. If CIG tanks, there won't be any pieces left.

3.0 may not be here, and if it does eventually arrive in the completely underwhelming form I think they may be able to put together - we'll probably realise they are only 50% toward where they should have been in 2014, and there's another six years of development still to go to get to where we should be today.
 
Asp, you're bang on mate, but you're only considering backers as source of finance. They were allegedly extraordinarily healthy as of July 2016, no one not even Derek knows how or how true that is.

That's the rabbit hole I've been sniffing round since last July, who's really financing it.

Edit - no one, and I mean NO ONE knows
 
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Also nobody making charts and burn rates is considering third parties of which there have been a lot. All of it has been canned, even art. Mocap doesn't work, I have an old source for that and I have a dev saying in a marketing vid they were importing it in '2 clicks' which is a total lie. AI doesn't work, "nobody knows why"

I've been told how they have to compile the PU , and the last programming I did was govt database in the 90s and even I could tell how much of a mess they're in.
 
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Jenner

I wish I was English like my hero Tj.
Well if they get 3.0 out in, say, a few weeks - fine. I can live with that delay. It does mean, though, that Gamescom is a wasted opportunity and I'll probably avoid watching their stream this year.

I've seen the 3.0 sizzle reel before, after all - in 2016. :)

Now if 3.0 is *months* out still....... No. Just no.

When and if I get 3.0 on my harddrive, and it runs at more than 25 fps, I'll be a happy camper. Until then.... I'm back to SC hibernation mode I guess.

I have no ill will towards CIG or the devs or Roberts, but man.... you guys gotta throw me a bone here. lol.
 
That's just it - I don't anyone is really against CIG or Genuine Roberts, and we would like to see Star Citizen become an actual released, working, successful, enjoyable Space Game.

Sure - we fill lulzbuckets with CIG's antics and gawp in a peculiar mixture of amazement, horror, disbelief, and purest wotthefuttery - purely because many of us are actual developers, programmers, network engineers, graphics designers, hardware architects, etc - professionals with decades of experience in the various fields that CIG are working in to try and deliver their product. We're not going "pooh! That's a silly thing to do!" just because it's fun saying it, or because we are trying to wish some apocalyptic event upon CIG - it's simply because many of the things they attempt to implement or even fit into the Vision are, well, simply silly things to do.

The reason so many things CIG are proud to say "never have been done before" have simply not been done before because they simply don't work.
 
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