Oh my XD however this will end, the bucks invested in this mess is worth it even for Asp Explorer's quotes alone.
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Oh my XD however this will end, the bucks invested in this mess is worth it even for Asp Explorer's quotes alone.
It's a bit of a motley crew though - I can see a X52, X52 Pro, X56 - you would have thought they would have a default configuration and a stock setup so each build wouldn't need customised driver installs for each model, and each machine painstakingly paired to it's peripherals somewhere as chaotic as a live techshow, not to mention the hassle of getting used to the different bindings available.
The simple solution to that of course, is to KB&M the hell out of everything and just have the wagglesticks as stage dressing
Oh you are far too kind Sir!
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From the reddit feed:
The demo is a local server multiplayer setup.
Great - but how will networking play out over geographically distributed users?
The desks are cool - see: https://twitter.com/Big___JR
But it's just a partial subset of 3.0???
Where's the damn game?????? Or at least a game loop of some kind? Will tune in tomorrow at 11 BST, but I'll have a bucket of popcorn ready, and I will be looking for signs it's scripted, as I don't expect anything less from Roberts.
The demo is a local server multiplayer setup.
Great - but how will networking play out over geographically distributed users?
The desks are cool - see: https://twitter.com/Big___JR
But it's just a partial subset of 3.0???
Where's the damn game?????? Or at least a game loop of some kind? Will tune in tomorrow at 11 BST, but I'll have a bucket of popcorn ready, and I will be looking for signs it's scripted, as I don't expect anything less from Roberts.
It's a bit of a motley crew though - I can see a X52, X52 Pro, X56 - you would have thought they would have a default configuration and a stock setup so each build wouldn't need customised driver installs for each model, and each machine painstakingly paired to it's peripherals somewhere as chaotic as a live techshow, not to mention the hassle of getting used to the different bindings available.
The simple solution to that of course, is to KB&M the hell out of everything and just have the wagglesticks as stage dressing
Oh you are far too kind Sir!
You are silly Asp....
CIG won't have to install any drivers or tedious peripheral pairing at all you dafty!
They just need to waggle them the sticks and press the buttons in time to the on rails "game play" video they be planning to put on instead... none of that silliness you speak of and its cheaper on the remaining funds to boot!
I should be technical director there.
From that twitter link:
I mean, yes, full respect to the people trying their best to make this stuff happen, but the idea of a preview build of a pre-alpha patch is a little bit mind-blowing. I look forward to the private alpha of pre-alpha 3.0 being completed and pre-alpha 3.0 beta 1.0 being released to backers.
That's.... really quite disturbing.
CIG apparently have the best marketing department ever, why would it need any help from anyone else, especially somewhere that the more "enthusiastic" backers have decried as urm, someplace irrelevant to everything.
If that is happening, report them. Frontier have already made it clear that they don't like people gaming the rep system.
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/292441-Changes-to-the-Off-Topic-category-of-the-forums
Thought I'd share a link, all regarding Gamescom: http://www.dereksmart.com/forum/index.php?topic=76.0
Yes, it's from Derek Smart's forum. I know. But at least (once you get through the fud) some useful tidbits of info there that you can't currently get from anywhere else.
Yes, it's from Derek Smart's forum. I know. But at least (once you get through the fud) some useful tidbits of info there that you can't currently get from anywhere else.
Hmm the mods might be interested in that tidbit.
But I'm sure Rolan will post any necessary vids we need to see.
The desks are cool. All made by CNC apparently.
You'd do a far, far better job than what CIG have previously demonstrated
I'll volunteer to move your racks around so that they reach the fibre. No need for site surveys, safety loops or anything - let's just put a 300 degree bend in those optical babies and yes! 3 quid 6-plugs from Tesco are perfectly acceptable.
Underline stuff is completely made up and laughable to just think about.
Bold stuff is ofc another attempt to put a blinder on what CIG show's are for: Showcasing game development, direction and the overall vision of the game while generating interest, media awareness and expanding it's player-base and funding.
I' not really being apathetic but being Realistic and Pragmatic.
It's easy really when you focus only in the game development part and ignore the made up fluffy drama around it.
With any company, not just CIG. Game development is bound to delays so it's hard to plan marketing campaigns for it. That's why we see so many game's missing their release dates on and on and we even have games that get completely canceled after a big marketing campaign. (Scalebound).
CIG development is indeed more open than most. It's part of it's crowdfunding promise to it's community and a way to generate interest and funding. It's marketing done right and being replicated by a lot of indie studios rightly so. Yes written right there in the The Pledge: https://robertsspaceindustries.com/the-pledge
It's also written clearly in the website before any transaction that the game is in alpha version and being developed. The backers have clear info about the state of the game, added to that there's plenty of footage on youtube, streamers and even Free-Fly week's to access the state of the game.
As long as there's new stuff it's progress to me. It's kinda easy to miss but most of the game mechanics that get priority are the ones used for Squadron42 so that's why some features have priority above other's (hint hint FPS, Manual Cargo, Holograms, Facial Animations, Shop's and Cloathing etc).
You asked I gave my assessment based on the info available. We saw CIG teasing Nox Racing, the Buggy Racing variant and they already implemented the race track in arena commander back when Arena Commander release. We were shown working on roads for their planets. Could make sense that's it, not wishful thinking because I couldn't care less if they add it or not tbh. It's CIG call not mine. Ultimately it's them who get to decide what's the best for the game because it's them who have inside knowledge to do so.
A great life quote "plan's don't equal reality" That's why one should allways manage it's own expectations accordingly and don't take everything as "promises".
Yeah... about that. The problem is not really "understanding software development" but "understanding GAME development".
https://gamedev.stackexchange.com/q...ent-different-from-other-software-development
Have you played NMS or Helium? I like Star Citizen because it allows me to group up with my mates jump on a space ship and hop on a turret or with my shotgun and just go blow other players and steal their stuff. Does it look like something you can do on NMS or Helium?
Yes it's thanks to Chris Roberts that a game like Star Citizen is even being attempted. Bless him I guess.
Kinda overacting a bit on the "drama"no? CIG and CR are in "Gamescom mode". Being able to interact with the fans and showcase all the hard work is an amazing experience for devs. Getting some millions more and new backers doesn't hurt either.
Do yo really think making a fighter pilot would cost the same as making a capital ship? Or that the value of the stretch goal corresponds to the feature? Or even that the initial amount is enough to make a game?That's not how crowdfunding works.
This is what says in the April 2014 Stretch Goal:
- Procedural Generation R&D Team – This stretch goal will allocate funding for Cloud Imperium to develop procedural generation technology for future iterations of Star Citizen. Advanced procedural generation will be necessary for creating entire planets worth of exploration and development content. A special strike team of procedural generation-oriented developers will be assembled to make this technology a reality.
Emphasis on "Future Iterations of Star Citizen".
On a side note. The funding chart is in a bit of a slump at the moment, although guess some people are still paying subscriptions and buying ships. I guess a lot of people are waiting for 3.0 before deciding whether to invest more.[/QUOTE]
Funding chart is business as usual before a big presentation when backers know that new ship's will be announced. It's allways been like that.
On this thread alone there's plenty of posters that have confessed their interest in the game but are waiting for it to release to decide. And that's what you could call "hard-core space sim gamers". Ofc there's plenty more of the casual gamers that wouldn't ever dare to risk into crowdfunding. Making money after release will come with the Credits selling while trying to fight the parallel "chinese" gold market that comes with all MMORPGS.
As other's said. Besides the announced limited credit sale per month and Squadron42 Ep 2/3.. they still have ship skins, weapon skins, suit skins, fish, furniture, decals, housing... On a later note major paid updates to the Star Citizen universe adding new playable races / opening new systems should be a thing.
Paging Skizomeuh... That's surely another sig-worthy quote.
CIG need to have something actually integrated and playable at this point, even if it's not finished and stable... Just showing off "The Daymar Experience" is surely not enough. From a "marketing reality" point of view: they've gone from showing something off on-stage, to letting people play something similar in a controlled environment at their booth ... in a year.
Well I guess they do have something to play at Gamescom after all...
Also It's quite laughable that since my opinions cant be countered with actual logic some resort to taking phrases out of context to try to ridicule them only for them to be proven right as more time passes. That's also the beauty of it, time takes no prisoners.
And once again it seems that what could not be done is being done, what didn't existed exists after all. again.
Some more pics:
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Well, the real beauty of opinions is that they are opinions, and are all just as valid as each other.
Actual logic is a vicious beast though, which is why it needs gates
That is what made me get a refund 'the playerbase'.
I couldn't get to my ship's before someone had nicked them. [where is it]
But the pics you have there look good. I would easily return to SC, but only after its settled down and I can see what type of playerbase there is. Its pointless having a PU, if your shot every couple of minutes. Especially if you want to just potter around and explore.
Nice pics though. Have some rep...[yesnod]
Well, the real beauty of opinions is that they are opinions, and are all just as valid as each other.
Actual logic is a vicious beast though, which is why it needs gates
In my opinion, that's what sells $400 ships. [big grin]
And in my opinion - there's nothing wrong with that if the purchaser wishes to spend $400.
Logically though, buying a $400 ship to play with in a game that hasn't progressed past pre-alpha, that has no game loop in which to perform it's intended function, where there are no game mechanics in which that intended function could even be possible, that where you continually t-pose through the mesh of said ship, and where there is absolutely no clear evidence that the situation will improve any time soon, we simply have to look at the facts of the matter.
My lulzbucket exploded.
I rest my case.
What exactly is it that you think they've done? Deliver 3.0 with all its associated features, fully integrated into the PU?
What they've done is present a stripped-down, custom-built, isolated tech demo, which isn't available to backers to download, at a trade show, as a marketing tool. Again.
No one claimed that couldn't be done. We've literally seen them do it before.
No wonder Chris needs you on his team, he clearly can't be Realistic and Pragmatic himself and therefore he needs people who can do that for him.
Unfortunately it does not come across as Realistic and Pragmatic, instead it appears that you are making excuses for somebody else's mistakes. Defending or attempting to justify an 8 month+ delay which was given by a 'lauded industry vet' is not being Realistic and Pragmatic, it is just making excuses for someone a million miles removed from being realistic.
Would you be Realistic and Pragmatic if this was EA, Activision, Ubisoft or a competing game studio, or is that Realism and Pragmatism solely reserved for the one true studio?
Still understand. I spent 5 years developing for a game. But its all rubbish anyway, the same principles apply.
Oh man, you just gave yourself away. Well played sir, well played. Care to share your something awful username with us?
Everyone else - chill, JohnMice isn't a SC fan at all. We've been had.
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