Modes The Open v Solo v Groups thread IV - Hotel California

[CMDR Sheehy]

Why not? I don't understand the question, it's a public thread in a public forum.

Why are you here?

They stab it with their steely knives...

The only time this beast gets woken up is when someone gets pushed here for throwing stones about the open, solo and groups. Once here they get pounced on by Mouse, Jockey, Rob... get shown the venerable wall of text and reverse psychologied in to agreeing that there is nothing wrong with modes as they are. Which of course, there isn't (unless you are a dedicated PvPer who only wants to cry foul about how it is soooo not fair that people don't play Sinatra like...)

So... how did you end up here? What stones were you throwing and how does it feel now that you have accepted the truth (there is no spo... I mean, there is nothing wrong with Open, groups and solo...)?

(oh, I checked in years ago... still won't let me leave...)

 

[Crank Larson]

So... how did you end up here? What stones were you throwing and how does it feel now that you have accepted the truth (there is no spo... I mean, there is nothing wrong with Open, groups and solo...)?

Oh, I see. Well, I did participate in one of the earlier threads, but then managed to avoid it until... a few days ago. And yes, someone in another thread pointed this one out and foolishly I dropped back in. In fact, I think I blame them a few pages back...

EDIT: And I've never had a problem with modes. I love them.

 

[Ralph Vargr]

There Is No Spork.

 

[[VR] Mad Mike]

There Is No Spork.

say what you like about the groups... but from a purely logical point of view, the spork is THE most efficient eating implement going.

my only thought is, perhaps i should put a patent on the "knsork"

its like a spork but has a sharp edge along 1 side of it to allow cutting as well.

it

 

[Crank Larson]

say what you like about the groups... but from a purely logical point of view, the spork is THE most efficient eating implement going.

Depends what you're eating. Much easier to eat a lot of things with your hands. No, I'm not allowed out much.

 

[[VR] Mad Mike]

Depends what you're eating. Much easier to eat a lot of things with your hands. No, I'm not allowed out much.

left hand only i hope......... left hand for eating, right hand for wiping

now chopsticks....... the person who invented those must have been trying to diet.... they have to be the most irritating food implement ever, indeed when only offered those things in a restaurant i feel i want to use them to stab in the eye of the person who served me *****

(and then i could use my travel spork or better yet my knsork once i get them made)


**** its possible i am making this up in an attempt at humour.

 

[Stinja]

now chopsticks....... the person who invented those must have been trying to diet.... they have to be the most irritating food implement ever

Oi, i like chopsticks! and can eat faster than some spoon (or even spork) users, as they need multiple devices to get items from the serving plates, into the bowl, then mouth etc.

Sadly i believe the issue is with you Mr Mike, and you need to git gud and learn2chopstick If you don't like them in an open restaurant environment, you can also eat Solo at home.

 

[TFB Daerist]

my only thought is, perhaps i should put a patent on the "knsork"

its like a spork but has a sharp edge along 1 side of it to allow cutting as well.

it

Look, can you please get back on topic.

I think it is good we have such choice and different modes. One for cutting and spreading and jabbing away pesky interdictions of food towards mouth; but if you find you want co-op play without the sharp edges then switch at loading to the fork where you an pass the food to friends (with pointy ends to jab the friends you don't actually want food-stealing); or simply switch to using the spoon solo lapping it all up with ease.

Sporks do have sharp edges already - well the good ones do...
http://shop.scouts.org.uk/p-2868-light-my-fire-spork.aspx

 

[AnotherVoice]

Here's something i have been thinking over.

Let's imagine i'm in a trading ship doing a CG. I know how to recognize a PvP combat oriented ship when i see one in SC. I jump to the CG system, full cargo hold, here's what's going to happen:

1) I spot one or several PvP oriented ship, if they start looking at me, i'm high waking immediatly, then come back to see if they're still here
or
2) No PvP ship in SC, i can go to the station to deliver my cargo safely

I'm experienced enough to avoid any undesirable interaction with other CMDR, i'll repeat 1) as many time as needed until the path is safe.

Now, tell me why the hell should i lose my time doing 1) when i can simply go to Mobius or Solo ? There is no point, just a pure waste of my time.

EDIT: Same thing for anything which is exploration related: for Thargoid stuff, why risking a rebuy and having to redo all the travel if i can safely go to it in Solo or Mobius ? Again, no point for going into Open.

 

[Tadeus72]

So you can have some satisfaction in outsmarting the pirates and avoiding the danger by using your brain and experience. Of course you could just do the xx runs to the CG and back semi-afk in solo/in a pve group without any problems, not even looking at the sesnsor display, not learning anything new and not using more braincells that are needed for pressing some buttons... over and over again. You could even watch a movie or read a good book while doing that.

If you like to play like that for hundreds of hours than sure, there is nothing compelling about open.

 

[Crank Larson]

Now, tell me why the hell should i lose my time doing 1) when i can simply go to Mobius or Solo ? There is no point, just a pure waste of my time.

Using that logic, why are you playing the game? There is no point, and it just wastes your time...

 

[AnotherVoice]

So you can have some satisfaction in outsmarting the pirates and avoiding the danger by using your brain and experience. Of course you could just do the xx runs to the CG and back semi-afk in solo/in a pve group without any problems, not even looking at the sesnsor display, not learning anything new and not using more braincells that are needed for pressing some buttons... over and over again. You could even watch a movie or read a good book while doing that.

If you like to play like that for hundreds of hours than sure, there is nothing compelling about open.

There is no need for that much braincells to be active to avoid any threat in this game when you cumulate more than 1k hours of game time.

People (especially hardcore PvPer) tend to overestimate the maximum skillcap one can attain in this game, it is actually not that high TBH. Maybe that's why we can witness so much self inflated EGO from the PvP community, treating PvErs like they were inferior beings. Not convinced? You only need to go to the GCI discord and witness what kind of conversation people have there .

Also, where's the satisfaction of outsmarting other people when the outcome of the encounter is always the same ? The scenario i described earlier can't be altered, unless someone notice that i'm jumping out and back and wait for me just next to the star. Even then, submit -> evasive manoeuver -> hi wake. Now what ?

It's just not worth it.

Using that logic, why are you playing the game? There is no point, and it just wastes your time...

For the sense of progression, getting more ships, trying different loadouts, unlocking Engineers, visiting all the small stuff Fdev has hidden into the game ?

 

[Dietger]

Unsurprisingly, a valid argument as to why people's choices should be restricted and forcing everyone into Open play has yet to surface.


Until then, I shall continue to be vigilant in responding to these discussions with logic.

Would it help to realize that you can't prevent griefers from "griefing" ?

 

[Robert Maynard]

Would it help to realize that you can't prevent griefers from "griefing" ?

Probably not (although there are probably not that many, really, that fall into that category) - although ultimately they can be deprived of targets - and there are handily two game modes to decamp to, one of which is guaranteed to deny them targets and the other one highly likely to (as long as membership is carefully controlled).

 

[Dietger]

Probably not (although there are probably not that many, really, that fall into that category) - although ultimately they can be deprived of targets - and there are handily two game modes to decamp to, one of which is guaranteed to deny them targets and the other one highly likely to (as long as membership is carefully controlled).

Richtig.

And the gain Frontier has for all the money spend? You fellows will have your griefers, more than enough. Way more then any OPEN/PvP group, consensus, there, is conflict.
I. e. noone bothers, much.

 

[Robert Maynard]

Richtig.

And the gain Frontier has for all the money spend? You fellows will have your griefers, more than enough. Way more then any OPEN/PvP group, consensus, there, is conflict.
I. e. noone bothers, much.

It is Frontier's choice to pursue the aim of one Open mode - the design information published at the start of the Kickstarter permits more than one.

In attempting to make Open more attractive to players that have already moved out, whether from time-to-time or permanently, Frontier will very probably need to make compromises, in relation to what Open is now, to make it more attractive to the less PvP inclined players.

Even then there will be those that will simply not want to play in Open (not every player bought the game for any form of interaction with other players, after all, it is advertised as having a Solo mode).

We'll see, in time, if Frontier are successful in their desire to continue to have PvP-tolerant and PvP-intolerant players sharing one Open game mode.

 

[Dietger]

It is Frontier's choice to pursue the aim of one Open mode - the design information published at the start of the Kickstarter permits more than one.

In attempting to make Open more attractive to players that have already moved out, whether from time-to-time or permanently, Frontier will very probably need to make compromises, in relation to what Open is now, to make it more attractive to the less PvP inclined players.

Even then there will be those that will simply not want to play in Open (not every player bought the game for any form of interaction with other players, after all, it is advertised as having a Solo mode).

We'll see, in time, if Frontier are successful in their desire to continue to have PvP-tolerant and PvP-intolerant players sharing one Open game mode.

Robert Maynard.

As you may know by now, I am one of them early birds, as you English folks like to put it. Not sure what, or what not, was promised. It's been a while.
OPEN, as much as anything related, can not but move on, agreed. Its up to Frontier to provide the urgent needed frame for player progress, not the least PvP in "context" and reflection of what one does or what one does not.
Be carefull, I am of the opinion noone can stop griefing, ever! But steps have to be taken, to make sure patterns and violations of simple game rules should be singled out, if we can't help it any other way, over time.
I myself was a dedicated singleplayer, for a very long time. You still can be on your own here, caveat is, someone watches over your shoulder, while you mess around with those playing OPEN.

As far is I am concerned, I think Frontier did it on purpose. OPEN. Lets stick them all together, let God sort them out [wink]

o7

 

[Robert Maynard]

As far is I am concerned, I think Frontier did it on purpose. OPEN. Lets stick them all together, let God sort them out [wink]

That they would indeed seem to have done - however they were kind enough to leave the doors open to Solo and Private Groups - for those whose PvP-tolerance isn't sufficient to want to bother playing in Open.

 

[Jack Schitt]

and you need to git gud and learn2chopstick

OT: many moons ago I was eating a bowl of something really delicious waiting for a train in Tokyo, and spend the first few minutes adjusting and re-adjusting the chopsticks to my stupid big western hand. Just as I thought I was getting to grips with them the waitress shuffled over like a ninja, silently deposited a fork on the table, gave a little bow, smiled and left. I have never felt more gaijin in my life.

 

[Phosphora]

I prefer solo mode - I enjoy being in control of my own actions and I find combat boring. Frontier have done a good job of embracing the diversity in human personalities with the three modes - solo for the introverts, open for the extroverts, group for people who want to fashion their own success.

Cheers, Phos.