General / Off-Topic Star Trek style 'tractor beam' created by scientists

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-tayside-central-21187598


Star Trek's engineer
Practical scientific theories on real-life tractor beams have been developed since 1960, but it is thought this is the first time a beam has been used to draw microscopic objects towards the light source.
Scientists have previously used a technique called an optical vortex to move individual particles using beams of light, but this new approach works in liquids and a vacuum.
The first appearance of a tractor beam in fiction is thought to have been in the American author EE Smith's story The Skylark of Space, which was serialised in 1928. The story contained references to an "attractor beam".
It has been a staple plot device in science fiction television and movies allowing objects like space ships to be trapped in a beam of light, but Dr Cizmar said this particular technique would not eventually lead to that.
He said: "Unfortunately there is a transfer of energy. On a microscopic scale that is OK, but on a macro scale it would cause huge problems.
"It would result in a massive amount of heating of an object, like a space shuttle. So trapping a space ship is out of the question."


A real-life "tractor beam", which uses light to attract objects, has been developed by scientists.
It is hoped it could have medical applications by targeting and attracting individual cells.
The research, published in Nature Photonics and led by the University of St Andrews, is limited to moving microscopic particles.
In science fiction programmes such as Star Trek, tractor beams are used to move much more massive objects.
It is not the first time science has aimed to replicate the feat - albeit at smaller scales.
In 2011, researchers from China and Hong Kong showed how it might be done with laser beams of a specific shape - and the US space agency Nasa has even funded a study to examine how the technique might help with manipulating samples in space.
The new study's lead researcher Dr Tomas Cizmar, research fellow in the School of Medicine at the University of St Andrews, said while the technique is very new, it had huge potential.
He said: "The practical applications could be very great, very exciting. The tractor beam is very selective in the properties of the particles it acts on, so you could pick up specific particles in a mixture."



Right we need them in the game now and I dont care what they say about space ships :D I always love Scfi becoming fact. Look at us all walking about with our personal communication devices and ipads. Picard used to walk about with one after all :smilie:

I think we should have them in game for the bigger ships, if they destroy a pirate attacking them and some cargo is floating the bigger ships surly would have the upgrade of a tractor beam over Scoop…. Be even better if you could hold ships till either they behaved and you let them go or they burnt out there engines fighting the beam. :D
 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-tayside-central-21187598


Star Trek's engineer
Practical scientific theories on real-life tractor beams have been developed since 1960, but it is thought this is the first time a beam has been used to draw microscopic objects towards the light source.
Scientists have previously used a technique called an optical vortex to move individual particles using beams of light, but this new approach works in liquids and a vacuum.
The first appearance of a tractor beam in fiction is thought to have been in the American author EE Smith's story The Skylark of Space, which was serialised in 1928. The story contained references to an "attractor beam".
It has been a staple plot device in science fiction television and movies allowing objects like space ships to be trapped in a beam of light, but Dr Cizmar said this particular technique would not eventually lead to that.
He said: "Unfortunately there is a transfer of energy. On a microscopic scale that is OK, but on a macro scale it would cause huge problems.
"It would result in a massive amount of heating of an object, like a space shuttle. So trapping a space ship is out of the question."


A real-life "tractor beam", which uses light to attract objects, has been developed by scientists.
It is hoped it could have medical applications by targeting and attracting individual cells.
The research, published in Nature Photonics and led by the University of St Andrews, is limited to moving microscopic particles.
In science fiction programmes such as Star Trek, tractor beams are used to move much more massive objects.
It is not the first time science has aimed to replicate the feat - albeit at smaller scales.
In 2011, researchers from China and Hong Kong showed how it might be done with laser beams of a specific shape - and the US space agency Nasa has even funded a study to examine how the technique might help with manipulating samples in space.
The new study's lead researcher Dr Tomas Cizmar, research fellow in the School of Medicine at the University of St Andrews, said while the technique is very new, it had huge potential.
He said: "The practical applications could be very great, very exciting. The tractor beam is very selective in the properties of the particles it acts on, so you could pick up specific particles in a mixture."



Right we need them in the game now and I dont care what they say about space ships :D I always love Scfi becoming fact. Look at us all walking about with our personal communication devices and ipads. Picard used to walk about with one after all :smilie:

I think we should have them in game for the bigger ships, if they destroy a pirate attacking them and some cargo is floating the bigger ships surly would have the upgrade of a tractor beam over Scoop…. Be even better if you could hold ships till either they behaved and you let them go or they burnt out there engines fighting the beam. :D

Amazing how Star Trek often got there first. Transporters, personal communicators, EMH's, scanners, flat screens; all appeared many years before the real thing.

Of course, we all really want Holodecks....
 
I remember reading that they thought Computers would be limited to big business/Government only and take up massive rooms in the future. Now your Iphone has more power sitting taking up no more room than my Cup of Coffee.

They also said mobile phones would never catch on and only be for the Elite ( no pun indented) supper rich. And why would you want one when there is phone boxes.... ;)
 
"An nescis, mi fili, quantilla prudentia mundus regatur."

Axel Oxenstierna (1583–1654)
Love the sig! I've been reading a lot about the early 17th century as research for my novel and Oxenstierna really stands out as a wise man.
 
What's next? Warp engines? :)

Well...they did demonstrate quantum entanglement a couple of years ago which showed transfer of information at faster than the speed of light, which should be impossible, so, in a way, yes!

I'd settle for 7 of 9 though...
 
Love the sig! I've been reading a lot about the early 17th century as research for my novel and Oxenstierna really stands out as a wise man.

ps Just have to say guys, that's not the average level of debate on computer game forums!!! Impressive :D

...sorry I dragged it back down with my 7 of 9 reference :eek:
 
Well...they did demonstrate quantum entanglement a couple of years ago which showed transfer of information at faster than the speed of light, which should be impossible, so, in a way, yes!
Quantum entanglement doesn't allow FTL information transfer, it just looks like that until you study what happens in more depth.
 
so this combined with.. laser cooling ? ;)

still very much the realm of science fantasy.

We need warp drive to make this game fun/work, but a tractor drive ? not so sure. And anyway, there are probably more efficient ways of achieving the same effect using arrest or hooks/grapples/electromagnets/harpoons/bitsofstringwithastickyblobontheend or perhaps little drones to go and nudge the object of your desire in your direction.
 
Quantum entanglement doesn't allow FTL information transfer, it just looks like that until you study what happens in more depth.

I must have misunderstood that. This is what Wikipedia says:

"In Quantum entanglement, part of the transfer happens instantaneously. [8] Repeated experiments have verified that this works even when the measurements are performed more quickly than light could travel between the sites of measurement: there's no slower-than-light influence that can pass between the entangled particles. [9]"

Maybe a case for DrWookie?
 
I remember reading that they thought Computers would be limited to big business/Government only and take up massive rooms in the future. Now your Iphone has more power sitting taking up no more room than my Cup of Coffee.

Im sure theres a crazy fact that the luner lander back in 1969 had less processing power than a calulator/digital watch in the 1980s... or something like that lol
 
Love the sig! I've been reading a lot about the early 17th century as research for my novel and Oxenstierna really stands out as a wise man.

Some things, like human stupidity, are eternal and universal.

A novelist, eh? Sounds interesting.

@DrBaggy:

Don't worry, a 7 of 9 reference never drags anything down. :D
 
Some things, like human stupidity, are eternal and universal.

A novelist, eh? Sounds interesting.

@DrBaggy:

Don't worry, a 7 of 9 reference never drags anything down. :D

....but she does seem to have got this thread moved to "off-topic" :eek:
 
Yeah it started in relation to the game and what could be an option in it. :D Guess it jumped off topic.

But even in this game you have to keep a factor of realism or it feels cheep.
 
...a quick answer on entanglement and FTL comms - no information can exceed C, so it's supposed to be more fundamental a limit than the attributes of any particular particle.

Suppose we used say two electrons, entangle them and then each take one to opposite sides of the Solar system. If you look at yours and find that it has 'up' polarisation, then you'd know instantly that mine was polarised 'down'.

However we can't choose what the outcome will be, hence can't assign meaning to either outcome. The actual sign of both particles is indeterminate until measured - that is, there's a probability that either particle could be either sign, depending on when we measure it. To all intents and purposes, they may be treated as being suspended in superpositions of both signs at once, before a definite state is determined.

The way the probabilities evolve in time is described by the wavefunction - however making a measurement interferes with the wavefunction, causing it to 'collapse', and assume the single, measured state. Each time the wavefunction collapses, it resets and entanglement is lost.

So we can't assign say binary values to 'up' or 'down', and while i may know that if mine's up then yours is down, that one bit of information isn't enough to infer any meaning. Further, it hasn't traveled between the two locations, but was carried with us when we left by synchronising their wavefunctions beforehand. Finally, this synchronisation is destroyed when that one, meaningless bit of information was given up by our looking at it...

It's this indeterminacy that's the issue.

These kinds of quantum limits are being stress-tested all the time.. only a few months ago, two new papers described experiments challenging Heisenberg's uncertainty principle, showing that many successive measurements of weakly entangled particles could nail both position and momentum without interfering enough to cause a collapse to either value. With the dawning of quantum computing - which uses these effects to process, store and transmit information - if there are any exploits they'll no doubt be found. But it would be a truly earth-shattering discovery..
 
A rather better approach is a high pressure air jet, blasting things to where you want them to go.

Has the advantage to working in space and under water.

But it doesn't pull.
 
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