I do like the fact that in the storyline that is starting to emerge about the thargoids is that they never left the bubble, what they did was what most insects do burrow under ground and lay eggs or seeds and wait for the time to hatch. I think the result is that i reckon a few planets will start to see thargoid like structures on them soon, maybe even in Sol. Its also good to know because now we know they are not coming from somewhere they are ALREADY HERE.
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Yeah... yeah... this is definitely stretching believability now - but perhaps the Morse/Octal is a hint of human help in their fight against Mycoid?
Perhaps related to the fact that we have barnacles out in the California sector - and the only major faction interested in that area is the Alliance...
You're right, though - the Tharg Links... It's difficult to place the Sites in time with the Sensors and Probes, because their control rooms obviously require both, whilst they manufacture Links.
Let's say that the Sensors and Probes were always used by the 'old' Thargoids as navigational/scanning aids. If the sites do represent some kind of 'downed' mothership, then being able to make links would make sense as a way to tap into the information the probes and sensors produce.
Come the time of Mycoid, they were repurposed - possibly with human help - to withstand Mycoid, but also to provide a smoking gun to help find all the old motherships that were destroyed. New Thargoids coming along would be able to use their own links to find all the sites - and we've stumbled across the same mechanism by virtue of the fact that some sites are, as we say, 'active'.
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Another possibility I've been thinking is that those sites were indeed Mycoid-infected and are in the process of being repaired - supported by the fact that we have those meta-alloy spires at each and every one. It doesn't seem likely to me that the barnacles 'become' a site, because, apart from the spires, there's no real resemblance between the two.
But if Meta-Alloys are anti-Mycoid 'drugs', and these sites are not quite dead, then it makes sense to use Meta-Alloys to try to bring them back to life.
...Lots of possibilities... my head's swimming.
And I *still* haven't been out to say hello to the Cyclops as I'm gathering mats for G5 mods for Drives/Shields/Boosters & Armour on the Annie!
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Sounds too interesting not to be true...
The Thunderchild might not be another (the other) Equinox vessel but I'm pretty sure it was a ship.
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Yeah, it read that way to me too.
Hmm. This made me think....
Those Equinox files mention something about the meta-alloys being similar to Thargoid bio-alloys. Perhaps the meta-alloys literally are bio-alloys with the biological aspects which were vulnerable to the mycoid stripped out and replaced by something immune.
The meta-alloys may effectively be tissue replacements.
CMDR Shiva Chaos posted the log from Megaship Sarasvati in another thread.
Excerpt: "It was literally under our noses the entire time. The Thargoids didn't leave. Not all of them, at least if we had more time we might've been able to run a more detailed analysis but the data we have right now already paints a pretty grim picture as the Thargoids are sowing the seeds for their return. We couldn't detect them before because the traces were so miniscule, but it's clear that these new self-repairing alloys that are starting to pop up in labs everywhere share an alarming amount of physical characteristics with Thargoid bio-alloys pulled from their ships during the war."
Excerpt: "It was literally under our noses the entire time. The Thargoids didn't leave. Not all of them, at least if we had more time we might've been able to run a more detailed analysis but the data we have right now already paints a pretty grim picture as the Thargoids are sowing the seeds for their return. We couldn't detect them before because the traces were so miniscule, but it's clear that these new self-repairing alloys that are starting to pop up in labs everywhere share an alarming amount of physical characteristics with Thargoid bio-alloys pulled from their ships during the war."
Ok, shamelessly cross posting this as it was a response to a point on the Guardians thread, but is probably more appropriate for this thread.
Hypothesis: The Thargoids reaction to Guardian tech, rather than being due to some interaction or relationship from millions of years ago, may be because Guardian tech was used against them before.
Consider;
Two reference points are used by the Thargoid tech:
- Merope
- Col 70 Sector FY-N C21-3
This has been established for a while.
Col 70 is locked to independent cmdrs, but it is not locked to all of humanity. For example, Wreaken Construction have bases in Col 70.
So while we independent cmdrs are unable to go to Col 70 Sector FY-N C21-3, it's pretty much unthinkable that those with access would have known it's relevance but not been there.
That leaves only the option that some of humanity already know what is in Col 70 Sector FY-N C21-3.
Now one thing possibly not that well known about that particular system is that it is closer to what appears to be the centre of the Guardian bubble than the first system in which ruins were discovered.
That's all pretty much fact... into speculation:
So, given the comparative distance the possibility is definitely open that there was a Guardian site there.
What's the relevance of that possibility?
Well, the Guardians were experts in biological warfare. Which is what we used against the Thargoids.
It's been suggested that Merope was ground zero for the Mycoid. Perhaps Col Sector 70 FY-N C21-3 was the launch point.
An INRA base.
Using Guardian technology.
It would explain a lot of things.
Hypothesis: The Thargoids reaction to Guardian tech, rather than being due to some interaction or relationship from millions of years ago, may be because Guardian tech was used against them before.
Consider;
Two reference points are used by the Thargoid tech:
- Merope
- Col 70 Sector FY-N C21-3
This has been established for a while.
Col 70 is locked to independent cmdrs, but it is not locked to all of humanity. For example, Wreaken Construction have bases in Col 70.
So while we independent cmdrs are unable to go to Col 70 Sector FY-N C21-3, it's pretty much unthinkable that those with access would have known it's relevance but not been there.
That leaves only the option that some of humanity already know what is in Col 70 Sector FY-N C21-3.
Now one thing possibly not that well known about that particular system is that it is closer to what appears to be the centre of the Guardian bubble than the first system in which ruins were discovered.
That's all pretty much fact... into speculation:
So, given the comparative distance the possibility is definitely open that there was a Guardian site there.
What's the relevance of that possibility?
Well, the Guardians were experts in biological warfare. Which is what we used against the Thargoids.
It's been suggested that Merope was ground zero for the Mycoid. Perhaps Col Sector 70 FY-N C21-3 was the launch point.
An INRA base.
Using Guardian technology.
It would explain a lot of things.
Interesting hypothesis, what about the guardian tech relics which they in fact consider sacred and you stealing it is heresy, as maybe the guardians are their creators and thus the thargoids consider them as gods.
That's pretty cool. I think it's more likely that the Thargoids are the evolved form of the Guardian AI.
We have extensive records of the guardians and they never met any other sentient aliens. It's possible, as you say, that the Guardian tech was used against the Thargoids by us in the past, but given the old class 2b hyperdrive characteristics the Guardian bubble is pretty far away, so I personally ally don't think that's the case.
I think the violent reaction is because the guardians ultimately fought a civil war. The AI and technologically merged ones against those that rejected that type of sentient technology.
We know that the war effectively ended the Guardian race. I believe that the Thargoids are an evolved version of the Guardian AI hybrids and we, humans, are descendants of a far flung Guardian colony, or maybe science experiment. Either way, that explains why we look so much like them and could explain why the Thargoids attacked us all those years ago, maybe it was an instinctual reaction.
I think this is really the only explanation as to why there's been three sentient races is basically the exact same very small area of the galaxy and the rest of it, as far as we know, is devoid of sentient life, at least it's very rare.
Love that album!
So the Merope5C barnacle is planted by Oresrians as the Ground Zero, pointed to by UA/UP to entice humans (drawn in by UA morse and ship wireframes) to the Pleiades. The barneys produce something (MAs?) useful to both Oresrians (in the first instance) but also the Klaxians who will be drawn to that area....so the Pleiades is the trap where humans will be set up to fight the Klaxians while the Oresrians make their escape. Like it! A truly Machiavellian (MB) plot!
I like it too. It's a good way of explaining the ingame puzzles and clues that drew us to the Pleiades in the first place.
My big concern around the hypothesis that the Thargoids are the Guardian AIs/Exiles/Hybrids is that the Guardians were highly advanced in biological warfare yet we, despite being less advanced, beat the Thargoids previously with the mycoid virus.
The mycoid was only myth and legend until recently but is now confirmed.
Also, the first Guardian civil war was between the tech merged Guardians and the anti-tech faction. That resulted in the exile of the Tech merged faction. The second civil war was over the AIs seeking existence as independent beings. It was between those that supported the AIs and the anti-tech/religious faction. No reason for the AIs to hate all Guardians when plenty of them fought and died for their right to exist.
There's been over 1,000 years of hyperspace travel. The Guardian bubble having been reached in that time is pretty reasonable. That's not taking into account warps and Galactic hyperdrives.
Not sure why humans would be Guardian descendants. I don't think FD would ignore the evolutionary history of humans on Earth which goes way way further back than the time of the Guardians. We share the basic skeletal structure of animals from 100s of millions of years ago on Earth, but we don't share the same structure as Guardians. Convergent evolution covers the similarities between humans and Guardians much better.
Also, indications are that it may have been us that attacked the Thargoids rather than the other way round.
thx! +rep
But the guardians are dead thousands of years before our time.....which still leaves it open for us being descendants of a somewhat keep the race going somehow idea, our evolution is still just theory to this day...for all we know in real life we could be the descendant of an alien race........
I've been thinking about the green [glowing?] goo...
We found it at the Unknown Settlements, now called Thargoid sites/structures. The Scavengers appeared to be clearing it off the wrecks & depositing it further away, which led speculation that it was some kind of "wrongness" [infection?] that the Scavengers were cleaning off the structures.
We've also found it at barnacle sites and found a lot of it in the Barnacle Forest, which the Scavengers are not cleaning up. Their behavior is different from the ones at the other Thargoid sites.
I started thinking of the wreckage at the combat sites showing traces of this same stuff, which people have taken to mean the ships were attacked by Thargoids-Flower ships [although they look more like starfish to me] and an excuse to go to war.
Many people have now experienced Thargoid aggression when pilots have not taken the clues to "back off" and engaged in combat. They've experienced various weaponry, from the drones and the enraged "lightning attacks." But... I have yet to see or hear of a Thargoid attacking anyone with this goo/bioweapon. Why not?
I must go now and purchase much more tinfoil.
We found it at the Unknown Settlements, now called Thargoid sites/structures. The Scavengers appeared to be clearing it off the wrecks & depositing it further away, which led speculation that it was some kind of "wrongness" [infection?] that the Scavengers were cleaning off the structures.
We've also found it at barnacle sites and found a lot of it in the Barnacle Forest, which the Scavengers are not cleaning up. Their behavior is different from the ones at the other Thargoid sites.
I started thinking of the wreckage at the combat sites showing traces of this same stuff, which people have taken to mean the ships were attacked by Thargoids-Flower ships [although they look more like starfish to me] and an excuse to go to war.
Many people have now experienced Thargoid aggression when pilots have not taken the clues to "back off" and engaged in combat. They've experienced various weaponry, from the drones and the enraged "lightning attacks." But... I have yet to see or hear of a Thargoid attacking anyone with this goo/bioweapon. Why not?
I must go now and purchase much more tinfoil.
Not sure where to post this guys, but I've run into a Thargoid and it's symbols are completely round!
There is more connecting the Guardians to us, than to the Thargoids, when it comes to biology and environment.
I also find it interesting that Ram Tah referef to the Guardians as 'The Dead', in his mission.
Ram Tah probably has some kind of Egyptian background and may know about 'The Book of the Dead'. The Egyptian 'manual' to the afterlife.
The main god in that one, is Anubis. Also know as the Guardian of the gate. He is usually portraied as a man with a jackal head.
This may be a tiny indication of contact between humans and Guardians, in prehistoric times.