General / Off-Topic More than 50 killed in Las Vegas terror attack

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Let's not do the "white guy commits a massacre -> mental issues" thing. Regardless of the specific motivation, this is an act of terrorism.
Let's not do any assuming, until we know the facts.

It could have been for any reason; although I do discount the black flag wannabes.
 
Let's not do any assuming, until we know the facts.

It could have been for any reason; although I do discount the black flag wannabes.

A lot of reports coming in that it was likely about his lifelong gambling hobby, it's possible he lost a few hundred grand from a casino and just went berserk.
 

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Its hard to say anything appropriate in such situations, we can start to blame The states laws, throw blame to god know what's and whom, blame each others, start to politicize and it will going to happen eventually. All i saying is to wait a few days out of decency, and then the shock and grief subdued we can talk about it and in the matter of fact it is wise because when something like this happen, there are things what we must think over, the conclusion must be drawn.

But until than?

Let's not do any assuming, until we know the facts.

It could have been for any reason; although I do discount the black flag wannabes.
Racism / supposed racism? :) Yeah, better to avoid this just don't jump to conclusions, although if this is the the real case? You can't lie or be silent about it.
 
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Its hard to say anything appropriate in such situations, we can start to blame The states laws, throw blame to god know what's and whom, blame each others, start to politicize and it will going to happen eventually. All i saying is to wait a few days out of decency, and then the shock and grief subdued we can talk about it and in the matter of fact it is wise because when something like this happen, there are things what we must think over, the conclusion must be drawn.

But until than?
Donate blood. Wait for facts. Donate blood....
Etc.
 
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A lot of reports coming in that it was likely about his lifelong gambling hobby, it's possible he lost a few hundred grand from a casino and just went berserk.
Quote possible.

If things are not going well, I sometimes want to burn down the world and so I can relate to the desire, born of frustration; but I know that am a better man. Attacking the 'innocent' is just pathetic and should be viewed as such.
 
Facts? Not necessarily? But better be to not hot headed.

Since the shooter can't be interrogated facts will be a challenge. But until such time (if ever) the reasoning of the butthead can be determined, give blood to help those who need it.
 

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There will be no easy answers, and even fewer solutions, as nobody can agree on what the problem actually is.

With mass shootings like this are you wondering why paranoia started to be widespread?
No one feeling himself to be safe, and when this is the case everyone starting to have and carry more weapons, and as a result? More shooting. How this spiral can be stopped?

Since the shooter can't be interrogated facts will be a challenge. But until such time (if ever) the reasoning of the butthead can be determined, give blood to help those who need it.
I'm a half world away. so i guess i can't do that! However, others can.
 
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A lot of reports coming in that it was likely about his lifelong gambling hobby, it's possible he lost a few hundred grand from a casino and just went berserk.

I don't know.. A guy losing all his money to the casino goes ahead and kills random concert goers? Not the casino employers? *shrug*

Not to mention all the planning and preparation that must have gone into this.

-First of all this guy was not a gun nut. According to his brother he had no interest in guns.
-So he had to do allot of research on automatic rifles and how to modify them(not exactly rocket science, but still takes a bit of skill and patience).
-Then he had to get his hands on the actual illegal kits for modifying rifles.
-Probably did multiple practice shootings at range to get to know the weapons.
-Then he carefully picks this concert to target, and books a hotel room directly facing the concert from a suitable vantage point.

All this takes time and planning. He must have had a motive, not just blind rage.. That would be him going to the car to get his gun and then back firing wildly in the casino.

This is definitely terrorism.
 
Yes, it helps but it does resolves the real problem? If that does not happens, you ultimately reached nothing.

Respectfully, the demonstration of compassion by the citizens of Las Vegas is positive and powerful. And when the next tragedy (man made or natural) occurs, and the best parts of humanity are on display, it will count for something. It always counts for something.

That is not to say that we should ignore or let go of finding a way to prevent this in the future.

In actuality, the positive outpouring displays a measurable reason to find ways to prevent this.
 
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America is a beautiful country. I would love to visit one day.

But I won't seeing how easy it is to get shot there.
 
Its hard to say anything appropriate in such situations, we can start to blame The states laws, throw blame to god know what's and whom, blame each others, start to politicize and it will going to happen eventually. All i saying is to wait a few days out of decency, and then the shock and grief subdued we can talk about it and in the matter of fact it is wise because when something like this happen, there are things what we must think over, the conclusion must be drawn.

But until than?


Racism / supposed racism? :) Yeah, better to avoid this just don't jump to conclusions, although if this is the the real case? You can't lie or be silent about it.
It is what it is: A product of the system and history.

I will say for any of these 'extremists', that escalation is an issue. They have go one better, than has ever been, do more and that is a very worrying state of affairs.
 

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Personally, I've never felt particularly safe, but it's not guns that bother me. It's people in general.

I work in one of the most violent cities in America, and deal with it every day.

The truly ironic thing is that I, being the generally law abiding citizen that I am, cannot carry a firearm in this city.

While those with no respect for the rule of law will do whatever they please.

I've had my life threatened on several occasions there. It's not a pleasant place to be.

If I had my way, I would carry a firearm at all times.
See? This is what i'm talking about! And honestly i can't say you are wrong about it, you cannot do it, you don't have to do it, you don't need it. But in the meanwhile? This is exactly the kind of violence spiral what i'm talking about. Arms race!

And you know what's the worst thing? the people whom started shooting also brothered by other people. And as a result?

Anyway, it's coming interesting from me to talk about such things, and play the relatively pacifist guy right there but in the meanwhile as for every soldier cop or guardian (I'm the latest) violence is my business, and so as to put my life and health in the line. But let me tell you something! I consider a cowardly thing to use weapons for whatever reason just because you too afraid from some bruises and simply shoot down the other just like that, for the first sign of danger. A bruise heals. But a shoot trough skull? Do you get my point?

If you know what's coming? that's other question but even than a warning is overdue, otherwise you are just a killer.
 
If your fridge breaks ISIS will take responsibility.

This is another sick, random, murder spree committed by an extremely damaged individual who was desperate to share his pain but didn't know how to do that without hurting others. Nothing more, nothing less.

I don't really want to wax "Gun control" on this particular tragedy but the guy apparently had a silencer on his assault rifle. Come on, there is no need for private civilian to have that sort of device.

YES! let's all get into a knee jerk reaction and blame something something....

You can even in socialist europe buy a suppressor, just to use the correct term, it's used when you are hunting.
I can make one out of an oil filter to a car, it will take me 1 min exactly.

Don't go into panic mode, stay calm and stop with all the control freak agendas, I want to remain free and that include owning firearms.
Where I live there are 14 murders a day, people kill people nothing new in that.
 
Authorities are saying that the gunman had an "automatic machine gun" before relentlessly spraying bullets into a crowd, killing 50+ and injuring 400+. When police stormed the rooftop of a building the gunman was on, they discovered the man had took his own life. The body was identified as 64-year old Stephen Paddock. Reports are coming out saying that this may have been the deadliest ever gun attack in modern US history.

As to what the reason was for his massacre is currently unknown. The Islamic State has claimed responsibility, however authorities have stated otherwise. The President has announced the attack to be an "act of pure evil".

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...g-multiple-casualties-reported-near-mandalay/

quite the gamble there then. Why do people gamble. Not to risk there lives I guess.

Authorities are saying that the gunman had an "automatic machine gun" before relentlessly spraying bullets into a crowd, killing 50+ and injuring 400+. When police stormed the rooftop of a building the gunman was on, they discovered the man had took his own life. The body was identified as 64-year old Stephen Paddock. Reports are coming out saying that this may have been the deadliest ever gun attack in modern US history.

As to what the reason was for his massacre is currently unknown. The Islamic State has claimed responsibility, however authorities have stated otherwise. The President has announced the attack to be an "act of pure evil".

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...g-multiple-casualties-reported-near-mandalay/

quite the gamble there then. Why do people gamble. Not to risk there lives I guess.
 

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My thoughts for a very long time.

I know. It's a real shame. Some of the woods they have there... Stunning. The canyons, impeccable. The coasts, gorgeous.

Such a shame that beauty is blighted by violence.
 
I know. It's a real shame. Some of the woods they have there... Stunning. The canyons, impeccable. The coasts, gorgeous.

Such a shame that beauty is blighted by violence.

The thing that amazes me is no matter how many massacres happen in America they never seem to move any closer to a Dunblane or Port Arthur style "perhaps guns shouldn't be quite so freely available" revelation.
 
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