General / Off-Topic More than 50 killed in Las Vegas terror attack

[Deleted member 115407]

I've never understood why the Bill of Rights is held in such high regard. Why are people from the 18th Century more qualified to decide what happens in a country than people today?

After all, if you want to understand the mindset of the time it was written, just look at the third amendment. Don't tell me the bill of rights was written for the modern world.

So... we should repeal the 3rd amendment and allow the Federal Government to quarter soldiers in our homes without our consent?

Because trust me, military spending is such a contentious issue in this country that someone will certainly cite "General Welfare", and introduce a bill to do just that.

I'll keep the protections enshrined for me in the Bill of Rights, thank you.

 

[The Kerbinator]

So... we should repeal the 3rd amendment and allow the Federal Government to quarter soldiers in our homes without our consent?

Because trust me, military spending is such a contentious issue in this country that someone will certainly cite "General Welfare", and introduce a bill to do just that.

I'll keep the protections enshrined for me in the Bill of Rights, thank you.

Do you really think the third amendment is what's stopping that from happening?

 

[Gully Foyle]

First he did not have a machine gun. He had a converted AR 15. It looks like, at last news update, that he bought a conversion for them off the black market. But if you have the proper license in America, you can own a fully automatic weapon to include, yes, machine guns. So why don't we just let the officials do their work and then listen to what they have to say instead of listening to the NEWS media who obviously need to make up something to entertain their audiences. Of which most of their facts don't even come close to THE facts.

What is in the head of a crazy person and HOW do you tell he/she is crazy? Not everyone that is crazy looks different from you or me. So how do you tell?

Chief

The standard method is to use the tests suggested in the DSM 4:

http://www.psyweb.com/DSM_IV/jsp/dsm_iv.jsp

Psychiatric Diagnoses are categorized by the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, 4th. ... Better known as the DSM-IV, the manual is published by the American Psychiatric Association and covers all mental health disorders for both children and adults.

 

[IndigoWyrd]

The fact many owned slaves somewhat challenges most of those.

Slavery has never been a uniquely American, nor uniquely white matter either.

Slavery is as old as human history - it's a central tale in at least one major world religion. And while we may have changed, at least in some ways, in others there is little difference.

Where once a slave was owned, and called Property, today "slaves" are called "low-wage employees" are not owned by individuals, but by corporations - the food industry, the banks, the credit card companies, and yes, even the Government. We no longer shackle our "slaves" in chains, we shackle them with debt. Chains can be broken, debt is much stronger.

no it's not, maybe it's just that most people don't feel the need to go around and explode other people to death.

Except in certain countries, where this is considered a "holy act"... and the sane world does not think too highly of this practice.

 

[lysan]

Slavery has never been a uniquely American, nor uniquely white matter either.

Slavery is as old as human history - it's a central tale in at least one major world religion. And while we may have changed, at least in some ways, in others there is little difference.

Where once a slave was owned, and called Property, today "slaves" are called "low-wage employees" are not owned by individuals, but by corporations - the food industry, the banks, the credit card companies, and yes, even the Government. We no longer shackle our "slaves" in chains, we shackle them with debt. Chains can be broken, debt is much stronger.



Except in certain countries, where this is considered a "holy act"... and the sane world does not think to highly of this practice.

Yeah becasue then you have to deal with all those virgins, and by god I got enough trouble already with one woman

 

[Deleted member 115407]

Do you really think the third amendment is what's stopping that from happening?

All of the protections provided to us by the Bill of Rights are as important today as they were in 1789.

Any chance or loophole the Federal Government can find to violate the privacy of the citizenry, it will happily use. The Third Amendment protects your right to privacy just as much as the Fourth.

 

[Sir.Tj]

Here's a thought.. How about people offer their condolences to the victims and their families and give best wishes to the survivors and leave it at that?

 

[Stigbob]

well what does it matter, if you die from a gun or a bomb? you can't stop it, that is actually the root cause, if you think a law can stop it, well i got a bridge to sell you.

Switzerland got a lot of guns, and you don't see mass murders there, maybe it's the mentality of the people as I said before.

Good for Switzerland, however in the US you are more likely to get shot. So maybe legal guns are more of a problem than homemade explosives.

 

[Gully Foyle]

So... we should repeal the 3rd amendment and allow the Federal Government to quarter soldiers in our homes without our consent?

Because trust me, military spending is such a contentious issue in this country that someone will certainly cite "General Welfare", and introduce a bill to do just that.

I'll keep the protections enshrined for me in the Bill of Rights, thank you.

Didn't the second amendment mean the guns available at the time, IE single shot long guns?
I don't think your Founding Fathers had any idea of or meant guns like the AR 15 semi automatic weapons

Also... Didn't the number of those killed in these horrible incidents actually go down when you guys banned assault weapons?

What is so hard about closing the loophole of zero vetting of buyers at gun show sales?

What are you guys so afraid of anyways down there? Yourselves? Don't you think its kind of out of control when kids are killing each other by accident with their parents weapons?

Respect. o7

Good for Switzerland, however in the US you are more likely to get shot. So maybe legal guns are more of a problem than homemade explosives.

And a million times more common.

 

[Gully Foyle]

Here's a thought.. How about people offer their condolences to the victims and their families and give best wishes to the survivors and leave it at that?

My 2nd cousin was killed at the show. A wonderful lady sat with him for 5 1/2 hours after he dies so he wouldn't be alone. She is a saint.

Good enough for you?

How about the USA wake up to the fact that their little love affair with war weapons is totally out of control and they are in the pocket of the Rich Republicans and the NRA who only care about PROFIT?
Just Sayin'

Slavery has never been a uniquely American, nor uniquely white matter either.

Slavery is as old as human history - it's a central tale in at least one major world religion. And while we may have changed, at least in some ways, in others there is little difference.

Where once a slave was owned, and called Property, today "slaves" are called "low-wage employees" are not owned by individuals, but by corporations - the food industry, the banks, the credit card companies, and yes, even the Government. We no longer shackle our "slaves" in chains, we shackle them with debt. Chains can be broken, debt is much stronger.



Except in certain countries, where this is considered a "holy act"... and the sane world does not think too highly of this practice.

Well said my brother.

 

[Deleted member 115407]

Didn't the second amendment mean the guns available at the time, IE single shot long guns?
I don't think your Founding Fathers had any idea pf or meant guns like the AR 15 semi automatic weapons

A principle that gun opponents love to apply to the Second Amendment, but not to any of the others. We didn't have telephones back then, so I guess the Fourth Amendment doesn't apply to telephones.

It may be objected that if weapons that are most useful in military service—M-16 rifles and the like—may be banned, then the Second Amendment right is completely detached from the prefatory clause. But as we have said, the conception of the militia at the time of the Second Amendment’s ratification was the body of all citizens capable of military service, who would bring the sorts of lawful weapons that they possessed at home to militia duty. It may well be true today that a militia, to be as effective as militias in the 18th century, would require sophisticated arms that are highly unusual in society at large. Indeed, it may be true that no amount of small arms could be useful against modern-day bombers and tanks. But the fact that modern developments have limited the degree of fit between the prefatory clause and the protected right cannot change our interpretation of the right.
DC V Heller

Also... Didn't the number of those killed in these horrible incidents actually go down when you guys banned assault weapons?

When did we do that?

What is so hard about closing the loophole of zero vetting of buyers at gun show sales?

There is no such loophole. It is a myth... a misnomer that has been fed to you by the media. Private sales of firearms has always been a thing. The last firearm I bought at a gun show was from a licensed dealer, and I underwent an ATF background check.

What are you guys so afraid of anyways down there? Yourselves? Don't you think its kind of out of control when kids are killing each other by accident with their parents weapons?

Parents should certainly take care when storing weapons around children. Most, if not all, jurisdictions have made it a criminal act to negligently allow a child access to firearms. I, for one, would like to see those statutes imposed more rigidly.

 

[Deleted member 115407]

Here's a thought.. How about people offer their condolences to the victims and their families and give best wishes to the survivors and leave it at that?

For the most part, the conversation has been pretty rational and lucid, in my opinion.

I certainly feel deep sorrow for the victims of the Vegas shooting, and I hope we can find ways to prevent such tragedies in the future.

My 2nd cousin was killed at the show. A wonderful lady sat with him for 5 1/2 hours after he dies so he wouldn't be alone. She is a saint.

Good enough for you?

I'm very sorry for your loss, my friend.

 

[Gully Foyle]

By seeing trough the NRA smokes and mirrors: https://www.brennancenter.org/analysis/how-nra-rewrote-second-amendment

If killing people "ooopsie" to save a few cents can be settled out of court: https://www.cnbc.com/2017/03/14/judge-approves-landmark-remington-rifle-settlement.html

Thank you for that history. I had no idea about that happening.
NYU School of Law. Sure doesn't smell like "fake news" to me.

 

[Minonian]

Nope, your argument, we can make the world safer by banning guns, my point no you can't end of story

Not true.

My 2nd cousin was killed at the show. A wonderful lady sat with him for 5 1/2 hours after he dies so he wouldn't be alone. She is a saint.

Good enough for you?

How about the USA wake up to the fact that their little love affair with war weapons is totally out of control and they are in the pocket of the Rich Republicans and the NRA who only care about PROFIT?
Just Sayin'

Good grief! And this time i can seriously say my condolences are going to you.




And now, getting back to the second Amendment?
That piece of paper are either used as a table and we chasing around it, or a mallet and we got ourselves bonked with it. that's all the other party have.!

A single law, what's either used as a roadblock or a mallet, but everything else is just smokes and mirror, dense headedness + opposing interests. And id there is weren't that stupid nonsense and how it used, the whole problem was settled long ago.

 

[The Kerbinator]

All of the protections provided to us by the Bill of Rights are as important today as they were in 1789.

Any chance or loophole the Federal Government can find to violate the privacy of the citizenry, it will happily use. The Third Amendment protects your right to privacy just as much as the Fourth.

It doesn't protect my right to privacy.

EDIT: Also, explain how the seventh isn't fairly strong evidence the writers of the bill of rights didn't exactly think ahead.

 

[Deleted member 115407]

It doesn't protect my right to privacy.

It certainly does. The quartering of federal soldiers in people's private homes would not only be a way for the Government to place an undue burden on the citizenry, but also a way for the Federal Government to circumvent our Fourth Amendment protections of privacy.

Who's your least favorite President? Want him quartering a soldier or two in your home? It would be totally legit, natch, they'd just be there to listen to everything you say and to rifle through your drawers while you were at work. Totally legit. Natch. You're quartering our nation's heroes! You're a true patriot.

 

[The Kerbinator]

It certainly does. The quartering of federal soldiers in people's private homes would not only be a way for the Government to place an undue burden on the citizenry, but also a way for the Federal Government to circumvent our Fourth Amendment protections of privacy.

Fairly sure the third amendment is of little concern to my government.

Who's your least favorite President? Want him quartering a soldier or two in your home?

Trump. If he tries he might find his troops get shot, as I believe is customary when you invade a foreign country.

 

[shreddog]

My 2nd cousin was killed at the show. A wonderful lady sat with him for 5 1/2 hours after he dies so he wouldn't be alone. She is a saint.

Not sure what to say. That was really sad to read. My condolences

 

[Deleted member 115407]

Fairly sure the third amendment is of little concern to my government.

Trump. If he tries he might find his troops get shot, as I believe is customary when you invade a foreign country.

Ah, so you have no stake in this game then.

Thanks.

 

[The Kerbinator]

Ah, so you have no stake in this game then.

Thanks.

I'm a compassionate human being. I have a stake wherever there is suffering. And given that the NRA turned up when there was a mass shooting near where I live more than 20 years ago and called for gun laws not to be tightened, you'll forgive me if I return the favour.