Alien archaeology and other mysteries: Breaking News, Theories and Tinfoil Hattery

stephen_usher

stephen_usher
Moribus said:
They are described as being bipedal, slightly taller than the average human, with two arms, four fingers on each hand. vestigial noses in the middle of their face and two eyes that are similar to human eyes but slightly larger in the front of their heads, small mouth under the nose, they have blood that is exactly like a humans, they eat the same food (although they can also digest meat uncooked). The major differences are more flexible bones, two joints on the elbow and spikes on the forearms and red skin (but it is skin, just as we have, and in different shades of red like we have different skin colours). Those similarities alone are absolutely remarkable on a biological level.
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They sound like arborial decendents of Iguanadon to me. ;-)
 

Jorki Rasalas

Jorki Rasalas
Jmanis said:
Yeah. It's a glitch... wasn't confirmed a bug before that post but nonetheless... I've stopped recording them now.

However... FD really should embrace this bug, rather than try and "fix" it. We've already got a "Guardian Ruins" scanner... how long have we known about barnacles for, and *still* don't have a scanner for them? And now that there's a way to see all POI within 1,000Ls, I'm actually out in the various nebula, scanning most planets, looking for things. It's dramatically improved the experience with this content in my opinion.

More frankly, with the debacle that was the Guardian Ruins mission, and a whole host of other things I've perceived as design failures... about time there was a "bank error" in our favour.
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Indeed. The barney on Merope5C didn't show up on my nav panel even though I've been there dozens of times!
(merely sightseeing you understand! :D)
 
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Ernest T Bass

Ernest T Bass
I don't know if anyone can control were Canonn expands to, but HIP 28774 is a great system nearby. Look at it some time!

Okay, I was fooled for a bit by a bug. My system map is not showing that anyone scanned the system. I double checked and found it is in Powerplay. So, it is probably not 'open'.
 
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LordZoltan

LordZoltan
Ernest T Bass said:
I don't know if anyone can control were Canonn expands to, but HIP 28774 is a great system nearby. Look at it some time!

Okay, I was fooled for a bit by a bug. My system map is not showing that anyone scanned the system. I double checked and found it is in Powerplay. So, it is probably not 'open'.
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I think we've scored a big enough boon by expanding into Kuhn - but it's not as if the spread of science is going to stop there! :)
 

Thatchinho

Thatchinho
Moribus said:
...snip... Plus, Ram Tah actually says in his research notes that we're remarkably similar to the Guardians on a DNA level and most likely share a common ancestor at the very least (that's literally in game lore). ...snip....
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Vasious said:
@Moribius

Which Guardian Entry says "we're remarkably similar to the Guardians on a DNA level and most likely share a common ancestor at the very least (that's literally in game lore)"
I cannot see that in Biology
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CMDR Dreamstate said:
Biology 6: "6) We've barely scratched the surface with the Guardians. There is so much yet to discover. But this new data contains one tantalising detail that stands out: their biochemistry was very similar to our own. They had blood in the same fashion as us, and it fulfilled exactly the same role as it does for us. Beyond this, they share a similar genetic structure, with DNA and RNA their core building blocks. Although a full analysis has not yet been conducted, this might be evidence of a common ancestor, but also of a branching in their genetic history. This is an astounding discovery!"
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Point of order on this matter folks...

The statement is "this might be evidence of a common ancestor".

Might.

There's no 'likely', 'most likely', or anything like that.

So the lore is literally that a character in the game thinks that something might be evidence of a common ancestor. Nothing more.
 

spameroo

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Moribus said:
I would never suggest that Thargoids and Humans share a biological linnk because there's so many things that diverge.
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What about a lightless, high-pressure, high-temperature ecosystem of tube worms and crabs that derives all its energy from chemosynthesis of hydrogen sulfide?
 

Vasious

Vasious
Thatchinho said:
Point of order on this matter folks...

The statement is "this might be evidence of a common ancestor".

Might.

There's no 'likely', 'most likely', or anything like that.

So the lore is literally that a character in the game thinks that something might be evidence of a common ancestor. Nothing more.
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I think we need to know how common DNA and RNA is

There are so many Earth like worlds, what does the life on them have use on the genetic level

What about HIP Proto Squid

What about Baltah'sine Vacuum Krill that lives in the vacuum of space

What about the Barnacles and the Cyclops tissue samples


Is it time for the Mars Artifact to be re-examined by Aegis
 

relayer

relayer
Nagual said:
So are bananas... ;)
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My wife left town with a banana
I'm a jealous man
she found a six-inch Latin lover
now she does the Tango with her right hand
and right now, I could just die
she's making a banana-creme pie
my wife left town with a banana
my baby's slipping
my baby's slipping
my baby's slipping away

I'll just get my hat...
 

relayer

relayer
LordZoltan said:
So it seems likely that the best toolmakers throughout this universe would all evolve analogues to hands and fingers which are nimble and which can manipulate objects very efficiently.
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First, quit making such interesting posts because I can only rep you once. So, virtual rep +++

How does the argument above then apply to the apes and chimpanzees, which have fingers that are nimble, but do not make watches?
[opposable thumbs ftw!] Yes, I am aware that some apes use rudimentary tools...
 

relayer

relayer
LordZoltan said:
The idea that we're an offshoot of a space faring race runs completely contrary to that idea.
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Isaac Asimov once thought about that very point... in his Gedankenexperiment, he posited that what we call early, unevolved humans were actually the remnants of a devolution from a previous race, brought low perhaps by their own science & technology (also including the breakup of the super-continent Vaalbara/Ur) and we are slowly climbing back up from that cataclysm.

Just to foment the discussion :D
 

relayer

relayer
Moribus said:
some cultural similarities (like using red as a warning colour, makes no sense for Thargoids unless they adopted it culturally from the Guardians).
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I've been thinking about this... an alternative interpretation for "going red" might be the biological components enlarging and pressurizing for aggression/combat (ie bulging veins). It doesn't have to be as pat as "red = danger."
 

LordZoltan

LordZoltan
relayer said:
First, quit making such interesting posts because I can only rep you once. So, virtual rep +++

How does the argument above then apply to the apes and chimpanzees, which have fingers that are nimble, but do not make watches?
[opposable thumbs ftw!] Yes, I am aware that some apes use rudimentary tools...
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Ultimately I think:

- Their evolutionary niche was found
- They were outcompeted for resources by the 'naked ape'

They *can* use other tools (e.g. the recent BBC documentary about Apes & Monkeys in which we saw Orangutans using soap and, in one case, a saw) - but they don't *need* to make more to continue existing.

There's something about the human species that caused it to keep building and developing its skills and - probably more importantly - *sharing* those skills. It's like our species took all these things from other species and turned it all up to 11 - I don't believe anyone has a complete explanation for why that happened - although I'm guessing our brain size is quite crucial to it.
 

LordZoltan

LordZoltan
relayer said:
Isaac Asimov once thought about that very point... in his Gedankenexperiment, he posited that what we call early, unevolved humans were actually the remnants of a devolution from a previous race, brought low perhaps by their own science & technology (also including the breakup of the super-continent Vaalbara/Ur) and we are slowly climbing back up from that cataclysm.

Just to foment the discussion :D
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Ah so that's where Douglas Adams got the inspiration for his colony of Telephone Sanitizers and Hairdressers from! :D

But yeah I can see that as an argument - although I don't think it explains our close DNA relationship with all other life on Earth - including much earlier life. Unless the idea is that they arrived before any other life on Earth developed and were the source of it?
 

LordZoltan

LordZoltan
relayer said:
Greg Bear, David Brin, Isaac Asimov, Fred Hoyle, Gregory Benford, Mike Brotherton and these folks just to name a few for those who might be interested...
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I'll add Greg Egan - Top reads have to be 'Diaspora', 'Permutation City' and the 'Orthogonal' trilogy - in which he invents a new physics based on the idea that different wavelengths of light travel at different speeds.

And 'Diaspora' is just simply mind-expandingly nuts.
 
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