So... What to do in HIP 18778? There's only 2 landable bodies...
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For those interested, I've come up with a new theory involving the Brain Trees and Monolithic Network 
This may seem like a very strange theory, but hear this one out.
We know the Monolithic Network and bubble of the Guardians (that we know of) is of similar size to that of human space, as is current understanding. However, what if I were to tell you the Monolithic Network wasn't designed or created by the Guardians, but by the AI soon after the Guardians had perished?
When I look at the ruins, I can't help but think of something like this:
Which got me thinking about the Brain Trees - something pretty prevelent around Guardian Ruins. Why are they there? Why do they make the noises that they do? Why are they only found in ejecta craters?
And then it occured to me, once I had watched a good video provided by CMDR PanPiper of Canonn:
The Monolithic Sites aren't the original "monolithic network" - the space-spanning network and original sentient AI are the Brain Trees!
Ram Tah; Tech 17: "This data gives details of the Guardians research into computer technologies. The Guardians' computer hardware operated on the same principles as our own. Their engineering was more sophisticated, but even to a layperson such as myself if it (sic) comprehensible. They experimented with organic computers, but ultimately these failed to meet expectations, except in a few areas such as bio-monitoring. Even then, genetically modified organisms usually performed better."
The reason why they are found in ejecta craters is because they were launched there and the seeds were grown once the dust had settled on those planets - before FTL was invented the Guardians used kinetically-launched ships - massive space launchers - they probably did the same for expanding their network by using genetically grown and altered brain trees (that could survive and grow in a vacuum). We know the Guardians favoured ecology over space-travel, until at least the AI and technology caught up and divided them.
The Brain Trees are the precursor to the "monolithic network" as we know it. Once the AI had developed sentience in those same Brain Trees, and succeeded in become seperate from the network, the AI created the Ancient Ruins that we have come to know of!
Ram Tah; Tech 20: "This data contains some details regarding AI in Guardians society. At this stage, social engineering was being used to ensure the AIs adhered to the same user models as their progenitors. But during the first civil war, most implanted Guardians were exiled, and the AIs recognised their vulnerability. They responded by developing their own operational hardware, independent of implanted Guardian users. Frustratingly, the details of these mechanisms have been purged from the record, possibly by the religious extremists who formed the last of the Guardian's species."
What struck me about the Ancient Ruins is the fact that it is littered with Urns, Totems, and Caskets - all to do with death and the afterlife, something a machine would never fear - but a sentient machine would completely understand and be sympathetic to - but why would they be there in the first place if the religious order had no interest in AI or the monolithic network? Sure, the exiles could have left them there, but why would they leave such objects on such a derelict rock and not bury their dead? I think it is simple: they were scattered/placed there by the AI when the Guardians disapeared. Not only are the Ancient Ruins a Monolithic Network linked to the Brain Trees, they are monuments created by a growing sentient AI that had lost their creators - it was an act of remembrance and respect
Ram Tah; Tech 6: "This data gives some more information about the monolith network - the imposing structures explorers have discovered at various Guardian sites - served as a foundation for all their communication systems. It's clear, however, that the monoliths had ceremonial significance as well as being functional, so I mustn't underestimate their importance."#
This could mean that what we think of as the "Guardian Bubble" may not even be a Guardian Bubble (or, at the very least, where the Exiles went) - it may in fact be an AI/Exile bubble once they had hit that technological singularity and had developed FTL capability (though being creatures of habit and belief, may have still sown Brain Tree seeds in other nebulas the old-fashioned way), hence why the machined monolithic network is so widespread when compared to the Brain Trees around the Wregoe "bubble" - and this is where I come full circle to the Brain Trees...
They are more wide-spread, overall, than the "Monolithic Network" as we know them, and this is partly down to the Wregoe systems that PanPiper pointed out, which is what caught my interest the most - why would they be there? An almost perfect sphere 120ly that is also more tightly packed with stars than even the Pleiades - but without a single machined monolithic Ancient Ruin site...
It could be that the Guardians home originated from the Wregoe area of space... that could be their actual homeworld bubble!
No Ancient Ruins, as we know them, exist at Wregoe... but could something else exist on those worlds besides the Brain Trees?
Brain Trees, Guardian Space, and the AI Monolithic Network Theory
This may seem like a very strange theory, but hear this one out.
We know the Monolithic Network and bubble of the Guardians (that we know of) is of similar size to that of human space, as is current understanding. However, what if I were to tell you the Monolithic Network wasn't designed or created by the Guardians, but by the AI soon after the Guardians had perished?
When I look at the ruins, I can't help but think of something like this:
Which got me thinking about the Brain Trees - something pretty prevelent around Guardian Ruins. Why are they there? Why do they make the noises that they do? Why are they only found in ejecta craters?
And then it occured to me, once I had watched a good video provided by CMDR PanPiper of Canonn:
[video=youtube_share;9p4aJVTpPm0]https://youtu.be/9p4aJVTpPm0[/video]
The Monolithic Sites aren't the original "monolithic network" - the space-spanning network and original sentient AI are the Brain Trees!
Ram Tah; Tech 17: "This data gives details of the Guardians research into computer technologies. The Guardians' computer hardware operated on the same principles as our own. Their engineering was more sophisticated, but even to a layperson such as myself if it (sic) comprehensible. They experimented with organic computers, but ultimately these failed to meet expectations, except in a few areas such as bio-monitoring. Even then, genetically modified organisms usually performed better."
The reason why they are found in ejecta craters is because they were launched there and the seeds were grown once the dust had settled on those planets - before FTL was invented the Guardians used kinetically-launched ships - massive space launchers - they probably did the same for expanding their network by using genetically grown and altered brain trees (that could survive and grow in a vacuum). We know the Guardians favoured ecology over space-travel, until at least the AI and technology caught up and divided them.
The Brain Trees are the precursor to the "monolithic network" as we know it. Once the AI had developed sentience in those same Brain Trees, and succeeded in become seperate from the network, the AI created the Ancient Ruins that we have come to know of!
Ram Tah; Tech 20: "This data contains some details regarding AI in Guardians society. At this stage, social engineering was being used to ensure the AIs adhered to the same user models as their progenitors. But during the first civil war, most implanted Guardians were exiled, and the AIs recognised their vulnerability. They responded by developing their own operational hardware, independent of implanted Guardian users. Frustratingly, the details of these mechanisms have been purged from the record, possibly by the religious extremists who formed the last of the Guardian's species."
What struck me about the Ancient Ruins is the fact that it is littered with Urns, Totems, and Caskets - all to do with death and the afterlife, something a machine would never fear - but a sentient machine would completely understand and be sympathetic to - but why would they be there in the first place if the religious order had no interest in AI or the monolithic network? Sure, the exiles could have left them there, but why would they leave such objects on such a derelict rock and not bury their dead? I think it is simple: they were scattered/placed there by the AI when the Guardians disapeared. Not only are the Ancient Ruins a Monolithic Network linked to the Brain Trees, they are monuments created by a growing sentient AI that had lost their creators - it was an act of remembrance and respect
Ram Tah; Tech 6: "This data gives some more information about the monolith network - the imposing structures explorers have discovered at various Guardian sites - served as a foundation for all their communication systems. It's clear, however, that the monoliths had ceremonial significance as well as being functional, so I mustn't underestimate their importance."#
This could mean that what we think of as the "Guardian Bubble" may not even be a Guardian Bubble (or, at the very least, where the Exiles went) - it may in fact be an AI/Exile bubble once they had hit that technological singularity and had developed FTL capability (though being creatures of habit and belief, may have still sown Brain Tree seeds in other nebulas the old-fashioned way), hence why the machined monolithic network is so widespread when compared to the Brain Trees around the Wregoe "bubble" - and this is where I come full circle to the Brain Trees...
They are more wide-spread, overall, than the "Monolithic Network" as we know them, and this is partly down to the Wregoe systems that PanPiper pointed out, which is what caught my interest the most - why would they be there? An almost perfect sphere 120ly that is also more tightly packed with stars than even the Pleiades - but without a single machined monolithic Ancient Ruin site...
It could be that the Guardians home originated from the Wregoe area of space... that could be their actual homeworld bubble!
No Ancient Ruins, as we know them, exist at Wregoe... but could something else exist on those worlds besides the Brain Trees?
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Now on the subject of colour, when I had my first interaction with a thargoid, the use of colours that are visible and interprétable by humans has led me to think that they share with us the same EM range of colours. Why else use red to alert us ! ( I haven't tried looking at a thargoid with a broken canopy!)
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They will have to pry them from my cold dead hands.
Currently in the Wregoe area where PanPiper did his research with the Brain Trees - does anyone know of an Earth-like in the area with a potential moon?
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Probably best to shift this one over to the Guardians thread.For those interested, I've come up with a new theory involving the Brain Trees and Monolithic Network
Brain Trees, Guardian Space, and the AI Monolithic Network Theory
This may seem like a very strange theory, but hear this one out.
We know the Monolithic Network and bubble of the Guardians (that we know of) is of similar size to that of human space, as is current understanding. However, what if I were to tell you the Monolithic Network wasn't designed or created by the Guardians, but by the AI soon after the Guardians had perished?
When I look at the ruins, I can't help but think of something like this:
Which got me thinking about the Brain Trees - something pretty prevelent around Guardian Ruins. Why are they there? Why do they make the noises that they do? Why are they only found in ejecta craters?
And then it occured to me, once I had watched a good video provided by CMDR PanPiper of Canonn:
The Monolithic Sites aren't the original "monolithic network" - the space-spanning network and original sentient AI are the Brain Trees!
Ram Tah; Tech 17: "This data gives details of the Guardians research into computer technologies. The Guardians' computer hardware operated on the same principles as our own. Their engineering was more sophisticated, but even to a layperson such as myself if it (sic) comprehensible. They experimented with organic computers, but ultimately these failed to meet expectations, except in a few areas such as bio-monitoring. Even then, genetically modified organisms usually performed better."
The reason why they are found in ejecta craters is because they were launched there and the seeds were grown once the dust had settled on those planets - before FTL was invented the Guardians used kinetically-launched ships - massive space launchers - they probably did the same for expanding their network by using genetically grown and altered brain trees (that could survive and grow in a vacuum). We know the Guardians favoured ecology over space-travel, until at least the AI and technology caught up and divided them.
The Brain Trees are the precursor to the "monolithic network" as we know it. Once the AI had developed sentience in those same Brain Trees, and succeeded in become seperate from the network, the AI created the Ancient Ruins that we have come to know of!
Ram Tah; Tech 20: "This data contains some details regarding AI in Guardians society. At this stage, social engineering was being used to ensure the AIs adhered to the same user models as their progenitors. But during the first civil war, most implanted Guardians were exiled, and the AIs recognised their vulnerability. They responded by developing their own operational hardware, independent of implanted Guardian users. Frustratingly, the details of these mechanisms have been purged from the record, possibly by the religious extremists who formed the last of the Guardian's species."
What struck me about the Ancient Ruins is the fact that it is littered with Urns, Totems, and Caskets - all to do with death and the afterlife, something a machine would never fear - but a sentient machine would completely understand and be sympathetic to - but why would they be there in the first place if the religious order had no interest in AI or the monolithic network? Sure, the exiles could have left them there, but why would they leave such objects on such a derelict rock and not bury their dead? I think it is simple: they were scattered/placed there by the AI when the Guardians disapeared. Not only are the Ancient Ruins a Monolithic Network linked to the Brain Trees, they are monuments created by a growing sentient AI that had lost their creators - it was an act of remembrance and respect
Ram Tah; Tech 6: "This data gives some more information about the monolith network - the imposing structures explorers have discovered at various Guardian sites - served as a foundation for all their communication systems. It's clear, however, that the monoliths had ceremonial significance as well as being functional, so I mustn't underestimate their importance."#
This could mean that what we think of as the "Guardian Bubble" may not even be a Guardian Bubble (or, at the very least, where the Exiles went) - it may in fact be an AI/Exile bubble once they had hit that technological singularity and had developed FTL capability (though being creatures of habit and belief, may have still sown Brain Tree seeds in other nebulas the old-fashioned way), hence why the machined monolithic network is so widespread when compared to the Brain Trees around the Wregoe "bubble" - and this is where I come full circle to the Brain Trees...
They are more wide-spread, overall, than the "Monolithic Network" as we know them, and this is partly down to the Wregoe systems that PanPiper pointed out, which is what caught my interest the most - why would they be there? An almost perfect sphere 120ly that is also more tightly packed with stars than even the Pleiades - but without a single machined monolithic Ancient Ruin site...
It could be that the Guardians home originated from the Wregoe area of space... that could be their actual homeworld bubble!
No Ancient Ruins, as we know them, exist at Wregoe... but could something else exist on those worlds besides the Brain Trees?
There are 9 ELW's with a landable moon listed here (Google spreedheet, link at first post):
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/168287-List-of-Earth-like-worlds-v2
Good luck!
Isaac Asimov once thought about that very point... in his Gedankenexperiment, he posited that what we call early, unevolved humans were actually the remnants of a devolution from a previous race, brought low perhaps by their own science & technology (also including the breakup of the super-continent Vaalbara/Ur) and we are slowly climbing back up from that cataclysm.
Just to foment the discussion
Larry Niven in his Known Space novels explores that too. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pak_Protector
"In Protector, Niven explains that humans (and all of Earth's primates) are descended from a colony of Pak breeders that were stranded on Earth 2.5 million years ago. The protectors that built the colony ship died when their Tree-of-Life crops failed. The original Pak Breeder population (known to us as Homo habilis) bred and mutated wildly, evolving into modern humans as well as all other Earth primates. All Terran primates would transform into the Protector stage if exposed to Tree-of-Life root (or, more accurately, the symbiotic virus it contains)."
I love the Known Space novels, and despite the obvious genetic issues with this theory I still really like it in terms of a good sci-fi yarn (it opens up so much storytelling). That's why I'm fine with the Guardian-Human link one way or the other, and it allows Niven to have human and human-like aliens in his universe nicely circumventing all the crazy theories about convergent evolution and whatnot.
Ok, lot's of things to respond to in here so I'll try and field it all point by point.
All fair points, but equally this would rely on them never going back to the Guardian sites and accessing the Guardian files despite 2 million years in which to do so. (And if they became the Thargoids, then most certainly having the tech to do so.) It also requires that they ignored or completely forgot that the Guardians were biowarfare experts, and built themselves bodies and tech that were vulnerable to it.
It’s a good point. However, there’s viable explanations, for example we may have concealed that the mycoid attack was by us.
IIRC from their descriptions, the Relics are power sources. They also definitely have something inside them. Plus Guardian writing on them. Perhaps they react just to the emissions from the Relics. Perhaps they can scan what’s inside the Relic and react to that. Perhaps they can read what it says on the Relic and it says “Danger, toxic” or something like that. Plenty of possible interpretations.
Err… cats and snakes were ancient enemies? Think you might need to give some back up on this one. If it’s anything to do with those videos that were doing round, it was never proven that the cats reactions were because they thought the objects were snakes.
This isn’t correct.
Within Guardians you have:
Group A – Implanted Guardians. Exiled in the first civil war by the abolitionists/religious faction. Prior to exile these Guardians had helped the AI achieved sentience and hosted them via the implants. No records exist as to what happened to them post-exile.
Group B – Non-implanted Guardians. Guardian history after the first civil war pertains to this group. There are two sub-groups within there:
B1 – The abolitionist/religious faction. Based on the homeworld. Tried to prevent the AIs from achieving existence independent from the monolith network. Turned to violence to do so, resulting in the second civil war against:
B2 – The Guardians who supported the AIs. Largely based on the colonies.
It’s not known which faction won the civil war so it could have been the anti-AI faction or the pro-AI faction. Regardless, the winners were already dying.
However, there’s also the Foe/Adversary. This throws into doubt the details of the outcome and latter points of the civil war, and the subsequent death of all of group B, and suggests that another party was responsible for wiping out group B.
Back to the Thargoids;
If the Thargoids are Guardian descendants of any kind (AI, Exile, Hybrid) then why would they have a blanket bad reaction to Guardian tech? Only group B1 would have been antagonistic to them. In the case of the AI, group B2 fought and died in support of the AI, so why would the AI bear a grudge against Guardians as a whole?
Why? DB and co seem perfectly capable to me of envisioning similar beings evolving in similar environments and building that into the game. The 2 extra joints in the arms of the Guardians distinctly marks them out humans and vertebrate life on Earth.
Disagreed here. It’s about aptness to the environs. If certain forms have emerged from certain environs on Earth, then why would similar forms not prove apt in similar environs on other planets? Besides, the sample size we have is 1, so we’re not in any position to make authoritative assessments of the statistical likelihood.
It may be that DNA and RNA are the only viable basis for life. If that’s the case then it would be the same deck of cards wherever life arose, to use your analogy. Whether there are other viable bases for life isn’t known, but we do know that DNA and RNA are a viable basis. If DNA and RNA appeared on Earth then the possibility of them appearing is proven, and they could appear elsewhere. Again, that’s then the same deck of cards.
Regardless of the basis of life, what evolves will be subject to principles of energy efficiency.
So, for example, looking at senses, being able to pinpoint things in 3D space provides a substantial advantage. What’s one of the simplest way of 3D sensing? - with two sensors equidistant from a centrepoint. & there you go – bilateral symmetry of several organs. It maximises the ratio of energy reward to energy cost.
Bipdealism has evolved completely separately in different animals on Earth. Equally it could evolve elsewhere.
What basis do you have for that? They evolved on a planet similar to ours, and so the selection pressures are likely to have been similar. And again those selection pressures may well result in the same forms being favourable as they have on Earth.
It’s millions of variations on basic themes though.
Take food.
Almost every animal is basically a tube. Food goes in one end and waste comes out the other.
Yes there’s incredible diversity but it’s all wrapped around that basic form.
Once multicellular life occurs, there’s only so many possible basic forms for food processing. Selection pressures have resulted in that particular form being one of the predominant forms on Earth, so what is there to suggest that the same wouldn’t occur on other similar worlds?
Again, energy efficiency considerations will eventually lead to bilateralism of sensory organs.
Variations on the forms will occur, and those variations which are more apt for the environs will proliferate, and that will continue for billions of years.
Again, if the environs are similar then similar selection pressures will be there, and over the huge amounts of time involved there is nothing to indicate that those pressures would not drive things towards the same forms as they have on Earth.
Well, arguably they don’t actually look that much like humans – from the descriptions you wouldn’t look at them and think they were human relatives. You would recognise them as being very different. One of those stereotypical ‘greys’ looks more human than the description of the Guardians.
Or have you been looking at Dreamstate’s boobtastic drawings?!
But again, see all my previous points about convergent evolution.
Why wouldn’t it happen in the same area of space? Selection pressures which are related to positioning in the galaxy are going to be more or less the same in the same area of space, so that would increase the chance of the convergent evolution, not decrease it.
That indeed doesn’t make sense. However, it also bears no resemblance to what I was saying….
See my previous points.
The more similar the selection pressures, the greater the probability of similar things evolving. (I’m hoping this is so self-evident that it’s not a cause for dispute.)
So the place where something like us is most likely to evolve is somewhere that’s very similar to where we evolved.
So a similar ELW in a similar part of the galaxy is more likely to be where something like us would evolve, not less likely.
Any of them that are more on the Sci side than the Fi?
Yeah, insects that natively talked in English, which is what morse code is, is utterly crazy. No one’s suggesting that though are they?
They UAs/Thargoid Sensors use morse, yeah, but the suggestions just that they’ve learnt it and are using it for some reason. That suggestion’s not at all ridiculous. I’ve mentioned it elsewhere, but morse would probably be easier for insectoids to interpret than spoken English.
Insects don’t have lungs so don’t create sounds in the same way humans do. Their main ways of producing sound are rubbing or clashing body parts together.
It’s considered myths and legends, but The Dark Wheel describes how Orserians speak – by clashing their chelicrae together.
Communication of that form would have much more in common with morse than with either spoken or written English.
So insectoids using one of the forms of human communication that would be most intelligible to them isn’t particularly unlikely. It’s far far more likely than them using normal English.
To say that there 'MUST' be a connection seems rather a huge leap. We share an origin with lots of species that we don’t understand. (I’m taking that by ‘understand’ you mean ‘understand what each other are saying’ as opposed to ‘understand how each other think, each others emotions, what drivers and motivators there are, etc.’). Conversely, managing to communicate with another sentient species doesn’t seem an incredible stretch.
He had huge amounts of data gathered from the first CG though.
Worth bearing in mind here that player efforts to work out the Guardian language haven’t got anywhere.
What are they? Haven’t seen any confirmed explanations.
Like what?
So? A world fairly similar to ours but with lower gravity produces beings not too dissimilar to us, but taller and thinner due to the lower gravity. They’re going to build stuff on their scale. That scale isn’t going to be much different to ours.
Ok then, if they’re understandable:
- What’s the meaning of the hologram in the base?
- Why did they set the UAs to use morse?
- Why did the previously hyperdict, scan then leave?
- Why has that behaviour changed?
- What do they want?
- How do they think?
- Why haven’t we been able to establish any meaningful communication with their ships?
- And so on…
a. Describing them as understandable is pretty dubious for reasons given above.
b. What are these structural, societal and cultural similarities to us? The Thargoids so far appear very different. The Guardians appear reasonably different.
c. Saying the Galaxy is otherwise empty is jumping to a very very large conclusion. There’s a lot of permit locked areas out there. We also don’t know where the Thargoids are from. We’re also only guessing that the Guardians are from the main one of their bubbles. Melville and Ram Tah are contradictory about the Guardian homeworld. Also as explained above, similar species evolving in the same region of the galaxy isn’t that unlikely.
And yeah, there must be a connection in the sense that there is a mutual connection in the area of space that we occupy/occupied. But there is no logical ‘must’ in terms of the species being ancestors/descendants of each other. Logically, given the overwhelming evidence for our evolution on Earth, it would require even more overwhelming evidence to conclude that we must be somehow related to the other species.
Oh yeah, and it didn’t really come up at any point in the main reply, but there’s also the genocide of the sentient species on Achenar by the Imperials. That was in a main area of human space but is still quite hushed up. It could have happened in other places too.
That's some great comments and ideas there.
I'm not going to go round and round debating this forever. I appreciate everyone's input and it's a been a great discussion but I'll leave it here
I think we're all excited to see where this storyline goes, one way or the other, one of the great things about it is that there's so many ways it could go, and to be honest many of the various theories and ideas suggested would make good stories moving forward. Maybe Fdev left it open to interpretation so they'd encourage debates and they'll cherry pick the best ones to put into the game. I know that's what a company I worked for a long time ago used to do lol!
Yep, all of this. Have some virtual +rep on top of the real rep.
Ultimately the fundamental principle at play is invariance in the laws of physics, and when it comes to life on Earth and the possibility of life elsewhere, there's no need whatsoever to appeal to anything else unless invariance in the laws of physics doesn't explain it.
(And just for those that are up on this stuff - yes, yes, there's C&P violations by the weak force, I know
- but the invariances pertinent to this discussion apply across all the forces ).
That's some great comments and ideas there.
I'm not going to go round and round debating this forever. I appreciate everyone's input and it's a been a great discussion but I'll leave it here
I think we're all excited to see where this storyline goes, one way or the other, one of the great things about it is that there's so many ways it could go, and to be honest many of the various theories and ideas suggested would make good stories moving forward. Maybe Fdev left it open to interpretation so they'd encourage debates and they'll cherry pick the best ones to put into the game. I know that's what a company I worked for a long time ago used to do lol!
Amen to that
Distance to Syreadiae JF-X c0 system required
I stumbled over a log-entry
https://inara.cz/cmdr-logbook/83130/23058/
by Cmdr Sn0w181, presumably Canonn member. His theory points to the Syreadiae JF-X c0 system.
If I am not completely wrong - since it has been a long time ago I tried to reach it - this system is very far away from any other system, so I could not reach it, even with supercharged FSD.
Is there any information, how far it is?
I stumbled over a log-entry
https://inara.cz/cmdr-logbook/83130/23058/
by Cmdr Sn0w181, presumably Canonn member. His theory points to the Syreadiae JF-X c0 system.
If I am not completely wrong - since it has been a long time ago I tried to reach it - this system is very far away from any other system, so I could not reach it, even with supercharged FSD.
Is there any information, how far it is?
Amen to that
I'm just going to leave these two articles from FFE here. Not sure if they are still valid lore.
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DNA TRANSPOSON
J.F.
All life is one. This bold statement can be found in research papers published posthumously by the Harris Powell Foundation. DNA (see box) has long been known to be of limited mutability, a fact that explains the theory of punctuated evolution which displaced pure Darwinism in the early thirtieth century.
The Powell theory makes use of this limit. In a densely worded paper Powell points out that using the Huffen transposon theory and assuming viral vectors, all later DNA can be created from the most primitive form ever discovered. The process is surprisingly simple, requiring merely extremely large computers and the largest DNA database ever created. Then, using random transposon disruption generated by the controlling program,
Powell is able to generate all known cladograms, animal, vegetable and, surprisingly, mineral. Even the siliconeys are included in Powell's great family of life.
DNA ADDENDUM
J.F.
The Powell Foundation (see our last issue) has published an addendum to their epoch making paper on the origins of life. While not so wide ranging in its claims, it is even more disturbing. It claims that all higher organisms - which in accordance with Powellism means non-vegetable life - are able to cross-transfer DNA. The addendum was still being worked on by Powell himself just before he died, and as such may be incomplete. However, in it he traces a mathematical construct which he calls 'life-space', a multi-dimensional universe involving the higher organisms in a close-knit whole. Then he simulates the whole when animated by viral carriers and demonstrates the speed with which beneficent genes spread via the viruses across the species barrier. There have been indications that this is so.
A few years ago it was shown that the kingfisher fur mutation (a true radiation-induced mutation) had spread from the cat population of Canolol to a large proportion of the planet's human population in only ten generations. We cannot share Powell's quasi-religious conclusion from his data, and his theory goes further than true scientific rigor will strictly allow. But even so we are somehow warmed by the idea of life collectively taking on the blind hostility of the inanimate, all for one and one for all.
We will never look at the office cat in the same way again.
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There is definitely something to find there, it's part of one of ED's great mysteries. It is certainly reachable but you will have to find a way across the Formidine Rift. The route is not direct (if you get stuck, Google Heisenberg Bridge). A ship with a decent jump range of 35 ly or more will do.
Happy hunting
Edit: As to the distance, it's about 12000 ly from Sol
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There is definitely something to find there, it's part of one of ED's great mysteries. It is certainly reachable but you will have to find a way across the Formidine Rift. The route is not direct (if you get stuck, Google Heisenberg Bridge). A ship with a decent jump range of 35 ly or more will do.
Happy hunting
Edit: As to the distance, it's about 12000 ly from Sol
Well, thanks, what I actually meant was the distance to/from the closest system. Been there already last year with 45 lys jump range, but that was not enough. Now I have 65, so I was wondering if it makes any sense to go there again...
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There is definitely something to find there, it's part of one of ED's great mysteries. It is certainly reachable but you will have to find a way across the Formidine Rift. The route is not direct (if you get stuck, Google Heisenberg Bridge). A ship with a decent jump range of 35 ly or more will do.
Happy hunting
Edit: As to the distance, it's about 12000 ly from Sol
I still remember all the hours I spent mapping the Heinsenberg Bridge in search for materials for the FSD injection, and how many times I was about to get stuck in there
. Good times!
Speculation: in the old thread there were several speculations (not from me) about "blue matter" underground stream that was supposedly visible (in beta ?) and under the relics.
Not sure if FFE articles are lore, but interesting stuff! I wouldn't be surprised if the articles and maybe some/all of the accompanying shorts are still relevant in a historical sense.
Would love to see all those old articles added to Galnet Archives in ED if they are considered lore by developers. Just for the sake of history!