General / Off-Topic Blade Runner 2049

Vasco Sapien

Vasco Sapien
Iskariot said:
Every american made scifi movie these days seems to lack any subtlety.
It is always loud, louder, loudest, big, bigger, biggest, over the top nonsensical thrills.
The only thing they know how to do these days is cram the movies full with CG and special FX, but the art of actually telling a deep story has been lost.
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That is not true here. it is a natural scaling of the story and the limits of the world established in the original film.
I did not find the film loud, unsubtle or filled with nonsensical thrills. There are some fine layers in the story telling presented in this film.
 

Alec Turner

Alec Turner
Iskariot said:
Oh that is a bummer.

Do robots really want to take over the world in the sequel?
That would be a horrible perversion of Philip K 's Bladerunner story.
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ish ... but in it's defence there's a LOT of "humanity" about the story line, that questioning of what it is to be human (or not human) - actually, strike "human", let's say biological. I don't have an issue with the general storyline (although some of the specifics are pretty lame).

Iskariot said:
Every american made scifi movie these days seems to lack any subtlety.
It is always loud, louder, loudest, big, bigger, biggest, over the top nonsensical thrills.
The only thing they know how to do these days is cram the movies full with CG and special FX, but the art of actually telling a deep story has been lost.
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I think this is largely true of 2049, although I would say that the loud sound and visuals could almost be called "art" in this case, it's very striking and quite beautiful.
 

Frank

Frank
Iskariot said:
Oh that is a bummer.

Do robots really want to take over the world in the sequel?
That would be a horrible perversion of Philip K 's Bladerunner story.
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I agree with what Vasco Sapien says. It does very much look like they are trying to merge the universes together. They had to slice all the PK-y bits out to make the merge smoother.

Don't worry too much about the fact that the robots want to take over the world. That fact is only vocalised once, and if you watch the movie the sequence of events make it clear that it is an important theme before someone (something?) states it explicitly.

It's a good movie worth the admission fee. It's no Bladerunner.

But then again, what is?
 

Vasco Sapien

Vasco Sapien
Iskariot said:
Do robots really want to take over the world in the sequel?
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They are not robots though. Replicants and fully biological grown humans with genetic tweeking and memory implants to enslave and control them.

They are slaves.

Because they are not born, they are designed, cloned and grown they are not considered human. But the themes in both bladerunner films are based around the idea of what it is to be human.
In the original bladerunner we have rebel replicants that want a better chance to live, They are slaves and want to be free, their limited life cycles are their chains. In this new film and the 20 minute animated short by Shinichiro Watanabe, some suggestion is made that rebelion is brewing. (But rebelion does not have to be violent, collapsing a social paradigm can be achieved by proving that a distinction which divides doesnt exit to begin with).

[video=youtube;rrZk9sSgRyQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrZk9sSgRyQ[/video]
 
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Iskariot

Iskariot
Vasco Sapien said:
That is not true here. it is a natural scaling of the story and the limits of the world established in the original film.
I did not find the film loud, unsubtle or filled with nonsensical thrills. There are some fine layers in the story telling presented in this film.
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That is very good to hear.
I have seen so many disappointing scifi lately...
 
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Iskariot

Iskariot
Vasco Sapien said:
They are not robots though.
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Oh I know. I am a Philip K fan (I wanted to say I am a fan, but that didn't seem the right thing to say).
But I was referring to the statement made by the journalist I mentioned earlier.
He said that in the Bladerunner sequel robots wanted to conquer the world and that was what shocked me and made me distrustful of the movie.
I am so sick of people, aliens, monsters, robots etc. etc. wanting to conquer, rule or destroy humanity all the time.
 
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Vasco Sapien

Vasco Sapien
Iskariot said:
Oh I know. I am a Philip K fan.
But I was referring to the statement made by the journalist I mentioned earlier.
He said that in the Bladerunner sequel robots wanted to conquer the world and that was what shocked me and made me distrustful of the movie.
I am so sick of people, aliens, monsters, robots etc. etc. wanting to conquer or destroy humanity all the time.
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This film isnt about that.

Go see it.
 

Frank

Frank
And here's another spoiler-free review from Mr Flappyhands himself

[video=youtube;ba8OIbWEHQM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=92&v=ba8OIbWEHQM[/video]

He took it to the extreme of not even spoiling the original movie. This shows how enamoured Mark Kermode is with this movie. He must think it will draw people to see the first movie if they've never seen it before.
 

[SI] Bobdelion

[SI] Bobdelion
Ever since watching the first teaser trailer I've been in complete blackout mode. I've been very worried this was going to fall on its face, despite loving the other films I've seen by the director.

So I went to see BR2049 last night with great hope but much trepidation.

...

It's really good. Like "I need to see this again, soon" good.

[smile] [big grin] :D

I hope if this film is successful it doesn't result in a third being made. I don't think my nerves could take a third go round. [woah]
 

Frank

Frank
Iskariot said:
I completely trust Kermode's expertise.
This sounds very encouraging.
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I just hope you aren't disappointed after you've had your expectation raised so high..

- The thing that Kermode says is a plus feels like a minus in some scenes. It's a very slow-paced movie.

- The music is supposed to be a homage to Vangelis, but it sometimes sounds like a parody

- The characters sometimes react to events in ways that don't ring true.


But that said, I do still wholeheartedly recommend it. The relationship between Joi and Joe is fantastic. I like how the replicants treat Joi.
 

lysan

lysan
Frank said:
I agree with what Vasco Sapien says. It does very much look like they are trying to merge the universes together. They had to slice all the PK-y bits out to make the merge smoother.

Don't worry too much about the fact that the robots want to take over the world. That fact is only vocalised once, and if you watch the movie the sequence of events make it clear that it is an important theme before someone (something?) states it explicitly.

It's a good movie worth the admission fee. It's no Bladerunner.

But then again, what is?
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Ha I saw what you did they :)
 

Manticore

Manticore
A long, slow-paced and involved film.

The director Denis Villeneuve doesn't make "Hollywood Style" films. His style of film-making reminds me more of directors like soviet director Andrei Tarkovsky (Stalker, Solaris), Jea-Luc Goddard (Alphaville) and Blade Runner 2049 really reminded me of Alejandro Jodorowsky (El Topo, The Holy Mountain).
 

starman

starman
In the early evening showing in IMAX on Friday there where about 10 people in audience. Although in general the whole cinema which is quite big few people (Enfield)

I'm not sure what this indicated about the future of cinema . Currently there is the London independent festival going on which is more boutique film


With regards to the actual film You would really need to hae seen the original and behind the story to appreciate all the references.

Will we see a further sequel?

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/9634967-robopocalypse Time for a airgap. IOT a Toaster with AI?


The original novel https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bladerunner
 

starman

starman
Manticore said:
A long, slow-paced and involved film.

The director Denis Villeneuve doesn't make "Hollywood Style" films. His style of film-making reminds me more of directors like soviet director Andrei Tarkovsky (Stalker, Solaris), Jea-Luc Goddard (Alphaville) and Blade Runner 2049 really reminded me of Alejandro Jodorowsky (El Topo, The Holy Mountain).
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I think to be taken seriously asa film maker I may have to pretend to be French/Nordic.
 
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