SAS Exploration Wing Galactic Circumnavigation Expedition
No apologies for this tldr:
Really if you explore in a Sidewinder the 2A FSD with Grade 5 Increased FSD Range mod is essential. Ideally you'd go in a group of Sidewinders, each with a different loadout, some with Fuel Limpets, some with Repair Limpets, some with DSS, some with AFMUs, some with SRVs, some with weapons, etc. so that there's the full range of modules available within the group.
There's an idea. How much interest would there be in a long haul Galactic expedition for Sidewinders only?
An engineered Sidey may be 'better' at exploration but it's not absolutely necessary.
Ps I went to Sag A* in an Eagle pre engineers and that only had a 22.9LY jump range. So middle of the Galaxy is possible in a small unengineered ship.
True, but it is absolutely necessary for the sort of adventure I had in mind.
PS. Well done getting to Sag A* with 22.9L-y range. That's good to know. Gives me confidence in a Sidewinder Expedition.
Interesting Idea
Coordination of time zones would be the key, never been part of one of the organized expeds myself, as I have no regular availability
I've never organized an expedition myself. But if co-ordination of Time Zones was an issue I would hold parallel meet-ups for Eastern and Western hemisphere players at convenient times, delegating someone else to organize the meet-up for the Eastern Hemisphere, since I'm at GMT. If it's a high-publicity event though, I'd hold it over a weekend at an agreed time so that everybody can meet up no matter where they're based.
PS. I would like to join the Society please. I'm an '84er and an Elite Explorer, and I've taken to exploring in my original Sidewinder for the challenge.
CMDR: William Diffin
Forum ID: Commander Diffin
Ship name: Enterprise
Remark: 'The most famous attack craft ever... still as popular today as it ever was....' (from Big Bob Iascatti's Handbook)
Hi there and welcome to the club... do you have an inara account?
Thank you. Yup:—
https://inara.cz/cmdr/14990/ but I don't use it very often; I notice there's a Sidewinder Syndicate wing on Inara, but that's not us though is it?
Hello CMDR Madrax573,
Welcome to the SAS! As you can see from the overall activity on this thread the SAS is more a statement of a livestyle than an active community, but I think that perfeclyt fits with how Elite : Dangerous is being played by most commanders.
Given your remark I don't think you will live up to my usual sign-off, but you'll get it anyway .
Fly safe,
CMDR Jermus Karlsen
Yeah. Since everyone's ignoring me now I guess that the Sidewinder Syndicate Wing on Inara is not the SAS. Maybe I'll set up my own SAS Exploration Wing on Inara.
You see, this is what happens when two Commanders join your Society and one of them isn't put on the Members' List because Admin isn't serious about maintaining the Society:
SIDEWINDER COMMANDERS WANTED
Sidewinder Commanders wanted for hazardous Galactic circumnavigation led by the SAS Exploration Wing. Vast solitudes, Galactic voids to traverse, low jump range, no defences, limited equipment, tiny quarters, long months of complete darkness. Safe return uncertain. Honour and recognition in event of success. Only Commanders of fully-engineered long range Sidewinder Mk. I scout vessels need apply.
Applications are invited for the inaugural Expedition of the Sidewinder Appreciation Society, the
SAS Exploration Wing Galactic Circumnavigation Expedition. The SASEWGCE is an ambitious and perilous circumnavigation of the Galaxy, by a representative wing of Sidewinder Mk. I scout ships, specially-engineered for long range exploration, in nine distinct Stages, each Stage consisting of a series of waypoint meetups. The Expedition aims to investigate different types of
alien installation in the vicinity of the
Bubble, then investigate along the length of the mysterious
Formidine Rift, before prospecting for systems of interest right around the Galaxy, stopping at some significant locations along the way, including
Beagle Point.
The Expedition will commence at the site of the former
Onrira Orbital Shipyards,where manufacture of the first Sidewinder Mk. I ships began back in AD2982, now the location of
Ham Terminal in the
CD-35 9019 System, the Headquarters of the Sidewinder Appreciation Society. The Departure Ceremony will include the first ever mass rally of Sidewinder-class ships. A good turn-out of Sidewinders is essential at this time, to publicize the Expedition, the Society, and the campaign to restore the original name of Onrira to the CD-35 9019 System. Sidewinder pilots from outside of the Society are encouraged to attend. The mass rally will then see the ships of the Exploration Wing of the SAS embark upon the First Stage of their epic voyage.
In the First Stage, a reconnaissance of
alien sites in the
Pleiades will settle the Wing into the Expedition, and establish the level of
Thargoid threat to the
Bubble.
In the Second Stage, the SAS Exploration Wing will traverse the length of the
Formidine Rift, investigating a number of sites in that
mysterious region.
In the later seven Stages (details yet to be worked out), waypoints will mostly be much more remote from each other, as the SAS will concentrate on circumnavigating the entire Galaxy via
Wagar's Reach (Mount Glenn), the
Galactic Aphelion (The Nest),
Beagle Point, the
Viatori Patuit (Penguin's Rest), the
Tenebris (Void's Brink), and
Eta Carinae, before finally returning to SAS HQ at the
Onrira Orbital Shipyards. The primary purpose of this circumnavigation is to search for interesting systems to add to the EDDB Database, and any such systems discovered by individual Expedition Members may be included as additional waypoints for the entire expedition, with discovery rights being strictly maintained by the Expedition to the original Discoverer. The
Galactic Aphelion to
Beagle Point Stage (Stage Five) will consist of less separated waypoints owing to the number of interesting systems already known in the region, as will the home stretch from
Eta Carinae to
Onrira (Stage Nine).
The entire Expedition may take more than two years to complete, with
Beagle Point hopefully being reached in time for Christmas 3304.
This is an ambitious undertaking even for exploration-rigged Anacondas. But for the humble Sidewinder Mk. I, it is nothing short of heroic. Many of the routes will take the Expedition through sparsely populated regions of the Galaxy, where routes for ships with maximum jump ranges below 30L-y are uncharted if they are even possible. It is more than likely that ships will become stuck. Not all of the ships that depart on this mission will be able to complete it, maybe not even most of them. For this reason, the Sidewinders of the Expedition are severely limited in their choice of loadout.
The Sidewinder is equipped with four Module slots, two each of Class 2 and Class 1. Each prospective Expedition Sidewinder must of course have a Fuel Scoop, and this should be a Class 2A. Each Sidewinder must also possess either a gigantic supply of Jumponium adequate for a Galactic circumnavigation attempt, or else possess a Class 2G SRV Hangar in order to acquire Jumponium, particularly at Jumponium Depot stops along the way. Naturally an Advanced Discovery Scanner is mandatory unless the pilot is flying in a Wing. The final Class 1 slot could then be reserved for an AFMU for FSD servicing following Neutron Jumps, or for a Detailed Surface Scanner for Jumponium prospecting, or shielding for awkward landings, or extra fuel tanks for navigating brown dwarf fields.
There are other possibilities of course. And there will be opportunities to reoutfit ships at some of the earlier waypoints as far as the
Flaming Star Logistics Centre in the
Orion-Perseus Gap. For example:
Xeno Sidey (unnecessary after the Pleiades Nebula)
2A Fuel Scoop
2A Shield Generator
1E Research Limpet Controller
1E Corrosion Resistant Cargo Rack
Survey Sidey (for prospecting for Jumponium)
Fuel/Repair Sidey
2A Fuel Scoop
2G SRV Hangar
1C ADS
1C DSS
Fuel Sidey (Rescue)
2A Fuel Scoop
2E Fuel Tank
1D FuelRepair Limpet Controller
1E Cargo Rack
Repair Sidey (Rescue)
2A Fuel Scoop
2E Cargo Rack
1C ADS
1D Repair Limpet Controller
Neutron Sidey (Pathfinder)
2A Fuel Scoop
2G SRV Hangar
1B AFMU
1C ADS
These are just guidelines, not definitive loadouts. It is for each prospective Expedition Member to choose their own configuration. A jump range of less than 33L-y is not going to be adequate for this voyage without Jumponium, so a supply of Jumponium is absolutely essential to the Expedition. Also a maximal jump range is essential, so a Grade 5 Increased Range FSD is also a prerequisite. For example:
The maximum possible jump range of any engineered Sidewinder is nearly 37L-y, but such a ship will carry no SRV or Scanners, and is entirely reliant upon Wingmates for exploration data, and upon their own supplies for Jumponium. Without engineering the maximum jump range of such a ship is more like 24L-y.
The maximum possible jump range of a fully-engineered Sidewinder with SRV and ADS is more like 29L-y. Without engineering, it is more like 19L-y.
Therefore as a rough guide, an Expedition Sidewinder should have a maximum jump range of 27L-y at the very least, and a practically inexhaustible supply of Jumponium, either pre-acquired or available for acquisition by SRV.
The Expedition will require at least 20 Commanders to be viable, with at least 2 Commanders serving as advance Pathfinders for the Expedition, particularly beyond the early Stages. This Expedition is not for the faint-hearted. It may be possible that the Expedition cannot be completed. But any Commander who is unswervingly dedicated to the Sidewinder Mk. I should consider it a privilege to commit to it regardless. With enough support and dedication, the Expedition could prove the most significant since DWE.
STAGE ONE - THE PLEIADES NEBULA
The first stage of the expedition sees the first great rally of Sidewinders in the game, as Sidewinder pilots from around the Galaxy gather to see off those Members of the SAS committed to this epic Galactic circumnavigation, from SAS HQ at the site of the former
Onrira Orbital Shipyards where the Sidewinder Mk. I was first manufactured. It continues by reconnoitring
Thargoid sites in the vicinity of the
Pleiades Nebula, before retiring to
Moni's Hub in the
Maia System.
1 - 0 - 0 -
Ham Terminal,
CD-35 9019 [
Onrira]
2 - 477.23 - 477.23 -
Pleiades Sector JC-U b3-2 1 21.93, 96.98,
Thargoid Barnacle Site
3 - 69.45 - 546.68 -
Pleiades Sector AB-W b2-4 9A -26.37, 97.70,
Thargoid Crash Site
4 -75.25 - 621.93 -
HIP 19026,
Thargoid Surface Site
5 - 94.93 - 716.86 -
Hyades Sector AQ-Y d81 C2 9.2924, -153.9815,
Thargoid Barnacle Forest
6 - 119.49 - 836.35 -
Moni's Hub,
Maia
TOTAL - 836.35L-y
STAGE TWO - THE FORMIDINE RIFT
The second stage of this mission sees the beginning of the expedition proper, with the SAS leaving the outskirts of the
Bubble and venturing deep into the
Formidine Rift, investigating a number of
mysterious ammonia-worlds and
human relics, before traversing the entire length of the
Rift to the
Far Bridge in a voyage made all the more intrepid for being undertaken by a fleet of Faulcon DeLacy Sidewinder Mk. Is!
1 - 0 - 0
Moni's Hub,
Maia M-BM-O-RS-RF-RP
2 - 621.45 - 621.45 -
Mic Turner Research Facility,
California Sector BA-A e6 M-BM-O-RS-RF-RP
3 - 790.39 - 1411.84 -
Flaming Star Logistics Centre,
Flaming Star Sector LX-T b3-0 M-O-RS-RF-RP
4 - 949.44 - 2361.28 -
Trifid of the North Nebula,
Trifid of the North Sector HR-W d1-8 LANDING SITE TBC
5 - 1701.11 - 4062.39 -
Oyster Nebula,
GCRV 2334 LANDING SITE TBC
6 - 1225.77 - 5288.16 -
The Sleguae Terrestrials,
Sleguae XT-A b20-11 LANDING SITE TBC
7 - 1697.09 - 6985.25 -
Altera's Eye,
IC 1805 Sector DQ-Y e3 NO LANDING SITE
8 - 1312.35 - 8297.60 -
Farsight Expedition Base,
Heart Sector IR-V b2-0 M-BM-RS-RF-RP
9 - 832.01 - 9129.61 -
Formidine Rift Abandoned Settlements,
Eafots LZ-H b10-0 D1 -23.08, -174.89
10 - 1945.84 - 11075.45 -
Triptych in Bronze,
Myoideau JI-K d8-4 LANDING SITE TBC
11 - 714.38 - 11789.83 -
Formidine Rift Depot,
Phrio Hypa TF-L d9-0 LANDING SITE TBC
12 - 1459.56 - 13249.39 -
Zurara,
Syreadiae JX-F c0 NO LANDING SITE
13 - 2695.72 - 15945.11 -
Rho Cassiopeiae NO LANDING SITE
14 - 10094.15 - 26039.26 -
The Far Bridge,
Pria Eup TD-T d3-8 NO LANDING SITE
STAGE THREE - WAGAR'S REACH (Mount Glenn) Hypi Bra CH-M d7-85
(To be determined)
STAGE FOUR - THE GALACTIC APHELION (The Nest) Pyriveae FK-C d14-72
(To be determined)
STAGE FIVE - BEAGLE POINT
(To be determined)
STAGE SIX - BEES PATTHAR (Penguin's Rest) Gooroa GY-F d12-7
(To be determined)
STAGE SEVEN - VOID'S BRINK Chanoa QK-C d14-0
(To be determined)
STAGE EIGHT - ETA CARINAE
(To be determined)
STAGE NINE - ONRIRA CD-35 9019
(To be determined)
If enough interest is forthcoming, the Expedition will go ahead before the beginning of AD3304 with the SAS Exploration Wing determining a full itinerary for the entire circumnavigation, subject to change once the Expedition is actually underway by agreement between Expedition Members. In the meantime The SAS welcomes any new Members, particularly those who wish to join the SAS Exploration Wing Galactic Circumnavigation Expedition.
Right on /\/\ Commanders o7