PSA: ED Beyond is not a season and is not paid for season nr 3

Season is just another way to get people to pay again for the same game. Marketing gimmick.

I don't get bogged down by all the extra and useless terminology game developers use these days. For me, you have the game, and then you have updates.

You pay for updates containing new features additionally. Or you don't understand how supply and demand works?
 
Why call it anything, beyond what exactly? Its a series off updates, adding what were told is going to core updates, and I guess some more QOL and bug fixies.

Elite what should have been in there in the first place but instead we added some half flashed out features now were going to get around to fixing them parts one to four coming 2018ish.....
 
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The way i see it:

1. What we saw in the expo about whats coming to elite is about 40% or more allready developed.
2. At March of 2018 when Q1 goes live or even much earlier, main development stops for ED until 2019 and the game gets into maintenance mode. All stuff announced will be finished by then easily and only releases will happen till the end of the year. Thats 5 full months from now, plenty of time for getting done some ships.
3. Most developers of the team will work in the other company projects for the rest of the year.

Benefits:

1. Playerbase gets to cool down after the so badly implemented grind-orizons, and FD gets to be the good guys that finally listened. The grind served its goal for 2 years and thats success in the company's book.
2. The "good guys" release FREE content for horizons users but forgot to mention that this will "force" non horizon users to.. spend money to buy horizons because each step to that direction makes the game more and more unplayable if you dont own horizons. Thats income so no freebies here.
3. Extra man power that drop ED development for a year will seriously boost other projects so thats serious income and publicity.

All in all, ED is in a very stable path but clearly rests in its glory and always drops only the absolute neccesary bones to keep the dog "happy".

No complaints though, i would do the same thing probably.
 
a season is a part of a year so Horizon did sell to us for a year long in four parts 2.1 2.2 2.3 2.4, spring summer autumn winter, 2.4 would have come in the winter of 2016 therefore they said often winter is coming on the lifestreams
 
a season is a part of a year so Horizon did sell to us for a year long in four parts 2.1 2.2 2.3 2.4, spring summer autumn winter, 2.4 would have come in the winter of 2016 therefore they said often winter is coming on the lifestreams

No, not really. Someone once asked David Braben if there will be Thargoids and he just replied with "winter is coming", this term was often used in the series Game of Thrones to describe upcoming danger. It was never related to the real winter. IIRC he never said it during a live stream. The term Season is not related to a year, it's a term commonly used in video games to describe a series of updates, or in television to describe a series of episodes. That they initially aimed for 1 year was pure coincidence, and if it would be related to it they would've called it Seasons instead of Season.

They never told us that 2.4 will be about Thargoids and they never said that it will be released in winter (although it was a very logical conclusion).
 
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No, not really. Someone once asked David Braben if there will be Thargoids and he just replied with "winter is coming", this term was often used in the series Game of Thrones to describe upcoming danger. It was never related to the real winter. IIRC he never said it during a live stream. The term Season is not related to a year, it's a term commonly used in video games to describe a series of updates, or in television to describe a series of episodes. That they initially aimed for 1 year was pure coincidence, and if it would be related to it they would've called it Seasons instead of Season.

They never told us that 2.4 will be about Thargoids and they never said that it will be releases in winter (although it was a very logical conclusion).

Thargoids did turn on in winter though, so I am not sure why people keep questioning that.
 
I still don't think seasons are coming back. 2018 is free, but I have a hunch that going forward most updates will be free. Instead Frontier will sell new feature access on the Elite Store from 2019 on, things like:

- Gas Giant landing permit
- Atmospheric landing permit
- Possibly selling new ship access after 2018
- Player surface station construction permit

And so on. Just my hunch though. I'm betting that Frontier would rather sell smaller features individually at lower price points than lump a whole year's worth of updates into one big package which locks them in to a schedule with little room for change along the way.

That, plus you can ask more. I mean, I would probably have paid way more for Horizons if it had been sold in bits.

Planetary landings? E20
SLF: E7
Passengers: E5
Holome: E7
Multicrew: E5
Engineering: E7
Thargoids: E7

Heck, I am pretty sure most would appreciate each feature more than a ship kit...
 
I thought they'd said they were moving away from the 'seasons' model. I assume they will move to a subscription model to allow them to build a proper server-client infrastructure to be able to deliver meaningful guild content.

I do hope not that would pretty much kill the game for me. Guild heavy MMOs just arn't my thing.
 
I still don't think seasons are coming back. 2018 is free, but I have a hunch that going forward most updates will be free. Instead Frontier will sell new feature access on the Elite Store from 2019 on, things like:

- Gas Giant landing permit
- Atmospheric landing permit
- Possibly selling new ship access after 2018
- Player surface station construction permit

And so on. Just my hunch though. I'm betting that Frontier would rather sell smaller features individually at lower price points than lump a whole year's worth of updates into one big package which locks them in to a schedule with little room for change along the way.

That, plus you can ask more. I mean, I would probably have paid way more for Horizons if it had been sold in bits.

Planetary landings? E20
SLF: E7
Passengers: E5
Holome: E7
Multicrew: E5
Engineering: E7
Thargoids: E7

Heck, I am pretty sure most would appreciate each feature more than a ship kit...

I don't have a problem with that. Heck, I'd have paid for another year of the Beyond content even; I certainly don't expect a free ride. I don't mind paying, as long as the quality is there.
 
You pay for updates containing new features additionally. Or you don't understand how supply and demand works?

Horizons originally cost as much as a brand new AAA game, on top of what ppl already paid for the original ED base game, which was $80.
You don't understand the difference between new game price and DLC?
 
Horizons originally cost as much as a brand new AAA game, on top of what ppl already paid for the original ED base game, which was $80.
You don't understand the difference between new game price and DLC?

Horizons originally included base game, that's why it cost full price. FD made a mistake not selling it seperately.

Also good fact - there's no moral obligation for you to pay for updates. But devs arent contracted to provide them for free neither. It is all about the choice.
 
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It is important to get facts right:

* 'season of upgrades' was marketing term used to describe product FD sold before fully releasing it. It certainly turned out to be very unpopular move, so this group of patches aren't season; FD never called patches for 2018 a season and they have said they have retired concept;
* This group of patches has a name 'Beyond', and just like that;
* It is free for Horizons users - you can view it as extension of Horizons;

TLDR So it is Beyond and it is free for Horizons users. It will have four major patches. That's all.

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I think there may be an expansion next year to do with atmospheric planets or other stuff. Samarco said the stuff they revealed isn't everything their showing us - and since all of the content updates in "Beyond" are free to Horizons owners, I do wonder if that's because they need to add the extra depth to the game to support an upcoming expansion coming next year?

One can only hope.
 
I still don't think seasons are coming back. 2018 is free, but I have a hunch that going forward most updates will be free. Instead Frontier will sell new feature access on the Elite Store from 2019 on, things like:

- Gas Giant landing permit
- Atmospheric landing permit
- Possibly selling new ship access after 2018
- Player surface station construction permit

And so on. Just my hunch though. I'm betting that Frontier would rather sell smaller features individually at lower price points than lump a whole year's worth of updates into one big package which locks them in to a schedule with little room for change along the way.



While I don't see Beyond as a season, as FDev have said they will no longer use that format it is not "free". It's more accurate to say it is free to all Horizon players. I can't really see Beyond as an expansion either as it's too limited to be called such.


Which beggers the question..if it's not a season or expansion and focuses on core gameplay it should also be free for base game owners since core features is essentially a fancy word for base features of the game...

I say this because they did say it was free to "horizon" players, they did not say it was free for everyone.


And just for good clarification: Beyond is different to a season. It is a series of updates for ED and Horizons players which is focusing on core enhancements, continued narrative and new features that compliment them.

Are you saying Beyond is free for those that only have the base game?
 
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If that's the case, then I don't understand why the marketing change - it is effectively indistinguishable from what a hypothetical 2.5 and 2.6 would have been.

I agree it seems an odd way to describe a simple continuation of Horizons.
 
Is it Horizons? Or does it go to everyone? I haven't been doing a great job of keeping up.

I don't think you're going to need Horizons to enjoy certain parts of it, such as enhanced c&p or planetary visuals which can viewed from space, for example. They were pretty vague with the particulars, though, so it's anybody's guess which parts of Beyond will require Horizons.
 
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