PvP This is why the incoming law enforcement buff and penalties can't come soon enough.

[CplVlademir]

To be honest, I doubt most people actually care about your little pee-vee-pee group. I suspect perhaps Frontier might care if you're repeatedly popping beginner players in one of the starter systems which Frontier place them in when they first load up the game. Be careful you're not poking the wrong hornet's nest my little internet tough guy

To be honest, there was so few traffic, we did more in-house fights than killing any new players. I killed more SDC last night than anyone below competent rank. I'm not a though internet guy, I'm just a man with an idea.
If you don't really care about us killing people, why are you on a thread about a C&P Buff/Nerf against CMDR Killings arguing against me? I feel that "noone cares" attitude is just fake.

 

[Kaocraft]

If only all carebears logged into open. They would realise they outnumber both nomads and sdc by thousands. Then they would start to bounty hunt. Then we would have a nice multiplayer game. But i guess they want to play in pg and solo in order to play the game the way they want to do. I've said this in the reddit post too. All a PvPer wants is a fight. Give it to them. Stand up to your oppressors. Start bounty hunting players.

Dumb. Your advice boils down to "Drop whatever you were doing and dedicate yourself solely to playing the game on someone else's terms." That's not a solution that's a cop-out. Total non-starter.

 

[Tadeus72]

I can assure you the police has no problem with killing pvp ships in other games in high security space. It just has "special equipment" which means it cheats

But I guess Fdev isn't ready for it, so it will probably start with them being very annoying and disruptive to pvp operations. We will see.

And the whole thing with a pvp operation in a newbie system is simply all kinds of lame. People don't really care if you promise to kill more or less newbies or what your convoluted motivation is. You aren't hurting us, you are directly hurting the game and are reducing the number of future potential targets in Open. It's just stupid. I know the term griefing is overused by all the carebears, but this is as near as it gets, and should be, IMHO, regulated by the game rules. And this is not salt. It's simply caring about the game.

 

[JosiahD]

Ignoring the problem won't make us kill less sidewinders. If that doesn't bother you, you can stay in Solo/PG. I was talking about Open play, there is no point in arguing open vs solo/pg. If open play doesnt really interest you, you don't really have to comment anymore under this thread.

For the record I play in open regularly, except when I want to avoid jerks.

Look, what you're asking for is non-PvPers to use PvP to take on the PvPers. Might sound like a fine idea in theory but assymetric PvP (which is what open PvP is) is predicated on one side having an advantage over the other. In that context, non-PvPers will ALWAYS be at a disadvantage against hardcore, regular or pro-PvPers, gankers and griefers. Simply because non-PvPers naturally want to dedicate their gametime to non-PvP activities, so will never spend the necessary time optimising a ship for PvP or optimising their skillset. What you're really asking, in effect, is for non-PvPers to play at being prey and why on earth would non-PvPers voluntarily do that if they're not interested in PvP to begin with? They're the ones who will chew through their credit balance with rebuys, not the PvPers, by and large. I don't know about others, but I'm Billy, not silly.....

 

[Chaparral]

PVP / PVE servers is the only real solution to this unending conflict. Why is this so complicated? So many MMOs have figured this out. Organized PVP zones and WVW zones are a functional and rewarding solution. C&P is a band aide at best, and clever players will figure out the loop holes. This whole solution feels lazy and cheap at best.

 

[cTravisty]

To be honest, there was so few traffic, we did more in-house fights than killing any new players.

Oh! Well so long as it wasn't that many new players.... /s

 

[CplVlademir]

Dumb. Your advice boils down to "Drop whatever you were doing and dedicate yourself solely to playing the game on someone else's terms." That's not a solution that's a cop-out. Total non-starter.

That is what you should do if you want griefing "gone". If you want griefing not happen to you, you can use Solo/PG, there is no arguing against that.

For the record I play in open regularly, except when I want to avoid jerks.

Look, what you're asking for is non-PvPers to use PvP to take on the PvPers. Might sound like a fine idea in theory but assymetric PvP (which is what open PvP is) is predicated on one side having an advantage over the other. In that context, non-PvPers will ALWAYS be at a disadvantage against hardcore, regular or pro-PvPers, gankers and griefers. Simply because non-PvPers naturally want to dedicate their gametime to non-PvP activities, so will never spend the necessary time optimising a ship for PvP or optimising their skillset. What you're really asking, in effect, is for non-PvPers to play at being prey and why on earth would non-PvPers voluntarily do that if they're not interested in PvP to begin with? They're the ones who will chew through their credit balance with rebuys, not the PvPers, by and large. I don't know about others, but I'm Billy, not silly.....

I am more than willing to advice & oversee any anti-griefing wing that needs my opinion on how to defeat griefers. Am I asking for too much? Hell yeah. I'm talking about a full-on revolution, man. If you're not interested in PvP at all, my offer will not interest you one bit. But then again, if you're not "interested" with PvP, you shouldn't talk about how we need more C&P against it, which beats the purpose of coming and commenting under this thread.

I can assure you the police has no problem with killing pvp ships in other games in high security space. It just has "special equipment" which means it cheats

But I guess Fdev isn't ready for it, so it will probably start with them being very annoying and disruptive to pvp operations. We will see.

And the whole thing with a pvp operation in a newbie system is simply all kinds of lame. People don't really care if you promise to kill more or less newbies or what your convoluted motivation is. You aren't hurting us, you are directly hurting the game and are reducing the number of future potential targets in Open. It's just stupid. I know the term griefing is overused by all the carebears, but this is as near as it gets, and should be, IMHO, regulated by the game rules. And this is not salt. It's simply caring about the game.

Why do you want the game to not get hurt? I have an answer to that, it hurts you indirectly. If you think that what we are doing is stupid, and we should be stopped, you're more than welcome to join any effort that's trying to stop us. I don't sense any salt in your comment, don't worry. I'm not under this thread to farm salt, I'm here to start a revolution. BUT, it sound to me that you're conflicting yourself by saying that "noone cares about you killing newbs", "you killing newbs is killing the game", "i care about the game". when you say those three, you simply care about us killing newbs.

 

[Pumabear8]

I am a member of Nomads, one of the blockader wings. If you actually read what I say, I am telling the opressed CMDR's to come together and fight together. There are ways to kill everything in this game. You just have to come up with the right plan and approach. I can go in detail if you want, but trust me, we can be defeated too.

Nah, what I think you're looking for, is canon fodder, not enough folk to shoot because they've moved to solo or private servers, and the only difference I've seen between Mobius and Open, is I get to go about minding my own business without some hothead deciding they want to PVP me just because they can.

 

[Ian Skippy]

PVP / PVE servers is the only real solution to this unending conflict. Why is this so complicated? So many MMOs have figured this out. Organized PVP zones and WVW zones are a functional and rewarding solution. C&P is a band aide at best, and clever players will figure out the loop holes. This whole solution feels lazy and cheap at best.

Probably because what you want is WoW, not Elite. Elite is supposed to be dark, grim, unforgiving. Listen to DB describe the universe, read the novels. Way worse stuff happens in there than blowing up a sidey. This 'solution' you like so much is what is lazy and cheap, and creates an artificial constraint on the universe. Heck, what even is the problem here, besides some ruffled feelies? Did you lose a sidewinder to something when you started? Did it matter? "Oh no, I have to grab a new free sidewinder which costs exactly 0cr", said noone ever. People just starting out wont even know it is a human, never mind have heard of SDC. Or care. They get blown up. They restart and try again. You know where all the whining and moaning about poor sealclubbing happens? In the DD forums. You know where it doesnt happen? The newcomer forums. Guess why?

SDC is annoying on general principle, but in the end they are just a small group of losers with effectively zero impact on anyone. Outside of forums, that is.

 

[CplVlademir]

Nah, what I think you're looking for, is canon fodder, not enough folk to shoot because they've moved to solo or private servers, and the only difference I've seen between Mobius and Open, is I get to go about minding my own business without some hothead deciding they want to PVP me just because they can.

Do you think I hate this game? I love this game! I want to be sent to hell by CG Patrol Wings! I want to fight! I am more than willing to advise&oversee any efforts against us. As long as people are really interested and positive towards me. Don't call me a liar, that is not fair. I am sick of being treated unfair.

 

[GoStu]

People praying for the Crime and Punishment system to save them from a PvP gank won't ever be happy with the results.

No NPC in this game is ever going to arrive in time and do enough damage to save a newbwinder from some bored pilot's frag-Clipper or gankVette. No reasonable NPC is even going to be a serious deterrent; PvP pilots are (for the most part) prepared to take on other fully-engineered and well-piloted ships - do you think any NPC bounty hunters are going to slow them down? The amount of heat you'd have to give to the NPCs would have a side-effect of making any other bounty a complete death sentence. Hope you never get caught smuggling and don't pay, or accidentally boom an NPC in a RES or something.

I'd rather see Frontier provide more PvP-focused content to keep people busy, rather than trying to implement so much punishment to deter some kinds of gameplay. Powerplay and CQC are both seeds of a good idea but need some more love in order to prosper.

 

[JosiahD]

SDC is annoying on general principle, but in the end they are just a small group of losers with effectively zero impact on anyone. Outside of forums, that is.

For the record, I for one have been on the receiving end of that 'zero impact' you speak of....in-game. It was anything but zero impact at the time......

 

[Tadeus72]

Sure it hurts me. I play only in open and like to see players in game I also like having gankers out there that's why I would prefer Fdev wouldn't nerf them into oblivion, but it might as they had the ingenious idea to target newbies right now when Fdev thinks about the C&P changes. I don't want this game to become safe carebear land but it might if you guys 'provoke' too much.

Edit. To the guy above who thinks NPC can't be an effective police - you clearly haven't played many other online game's. They can, they will just play by their rules

And CQC will never be popular. Simply because it's totally separate from the main game. They would have to let you fly your normal ship with equipment and add some playable group scenarios - but it would probably still be a waste of time. People want open world content.

 

[Pumabear8]

Do you think I hate this game? I love this game! I want to be sent to hell by CG Patrol Wings! I want to fight! I am more than willing to advise&oversee any efforts against us. As long as people are really interested and positive towards me. Don't call me a liar, that is not fair. I am sick of being treated unfair.

Do I think you hate the game? no, and I never even hinted at it, but people who don't play it the way you suggest, I think you might have an issue with them, look, you get what you want out of the game, others will get what they want out of the game, and we all live happily ever after, but please don't dress up PvP by saying we shuld fight back, that's PVP! the thing we don't want to do, get it now?

 

[Stigbob]

Didn't mobius get ganked themselves at one point.

Real safe....not.

You need to know your ED drama, SDC once did a Mobius mode invasion and a vengeance wing of naughty carebears stomped SDC's minor faction so hard they asked FDEV to remove it. It's back in the game now but never rises above 2%, and probably never will.

 

[JosiahD]

Do you think I hate this game? I love this game! I want to be sent to hell by CG Patrol Wings! I want to fight! I am more than willing to advise&oversee any efforts against us. As long as people are really interested and positive towards me. Don't call me a liar, that is not fair. I am sick of being treated unfair.

Talks about sick of being treated unfair. Participating in enforcing martial law in newbie system. Oh the irony....

 

[CplVlademir]

Do I think you hate the game? no, and I never even hinted at it, but people who don't play it the way you suggest, I think you might have an issue with them, look, you get what you want out of the game, others will get what they want out of the game, and we all live happily ever after, but please don't dress up PvP by saying we shuld fight back, that's PVP! the thing we don't want to do, get it now?

There is no other way to defeat griefing. No matter of NPCs will stop anyone from blowing people up. If you don't care about people getting blown up, why are you under a C&P thread about CMDR killings?

Elite: Dangerous has 3 ranks. Combat, trade, exploration. These ranks and topics are never completely seperate from each other.

Talks about sick of being treated unfair. Participating in enforcing martial law in newbie system. Oh the irony....

I didn't lie. Everyone that came to the system has broke the martial law. That's the difference.

 

[Fendalton]

https://www.reddit.com/r/EliteDange...te_blockade_destroyednomads_and_sdc_partners/

Blockading of a system isn't new. Blockading a CG system isn't either. But this is a newcomer system for cryin out loud.

FDEV, you're killing Open play every second harsher penalties and buffed cops are delayed.

But I supposed I should thank SDC for highlighting the game's issues for more exposure to the developers. So thanks.

Did you even read it? SDC wiped the floor with AA, that is all. Nothing to do with new players.

 

[jasonbarron]

Why hasn't this thread been shunted off to the PvP subforum yet? Yet another thread where a few top PvPers are offering to help teach and advise and a whole bunch of PvEers screeching and flinging excrement in between a chorus of "Just go to Mobius where the bad people can't hurt you anymore!"

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Unfortunately, one has to PvP in order to stand up to the PvPers. There is no other way. If you don't want to stand up, just don't. But then, don't cry about PvPers on forums/reddit too. There is no point in just crying and doing nothing about to solve the problem. There is no magical thing that will make PvP go away. It has to be a player initiative.

Private Group and Solo work pretty good.

And I don't have anything against PvPers. There's a couple of cowards killing sidewinders, but they also cut with the dull end of the knife. Best not let pillocks like that influence my game.

Ignoring the problem won't make us kill less sidewinders.

Ah, I see. Now it's "us". No You're right. That would take decency. Not seeing that happening either anytime soon.

If open play doesnt really interest you, you don't really have to comment anymore under this thread.

Watch me

I am sick of being treated unfair.

Oh boo hoo. I'm sure many Sidewinder CMDRs will shed a tear over how mean those forum daddies are to poor little you