PvP This is why the incoming law enforcement buff and penalties can't come soon enough.

[Pumabear8]

Ignoring the problem won't make us kill less sidewinders. If that doesn't bother you, you can stay in Solo/PG. I was talking about Open play, there is no point in arguing open vs solo/pg.

The guilt trip method, really? [haha]

If open play doesnt really interest you, you don't really have to comment anymore under this thread.

While this is a private forum, it's still open to it's members to give their opinions.

 

[CplVlademir]

Private Group and Solo work pretty good.

Ignoring something is not standing up.

The guilt trip method, really? [haha]

Eh. I came here today with an idea in mind. Thanks to prejudiced people like this, i leave heartbroken.

I don't use any methods to make people listen to me or anything. I'm just speaking my mind.

 

[Ian Skippy]

Why hasn't this thread been shunted off to the PvP subforum yet? Yet another thread where a few top PvPers are offering to help teach and advise and a whole bunch of PvEers screeching and flinging excrement in between a chorus of "Just go to Mobius where the bad people can't hurt you anymore!"

Lol, wut? Can you quote this amazing top-quality advice for me Jason?

 

[Pumabear8]

Ignoring something is not standing up.



Eh. I came here today with an idea in mind. Thanks to prejudiced people like this, i leave heartbroken.

I don't use any methods to make people listen to me or anything. I'm just speaking my mind.

No, you were asking folk who do NOT want to PVP, to PVP, I'm not sure you're getting this.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Lol, wut? Can you quote this amazing top-quality advice for me Jason?

Give him a break. It's not easy nailing yourself to a cross.

 

[Ian Skippy]

Ignoring something is not standing up.

Look, mate, you are confused. ED is a game. If people dont wanna play with you, they dont wanna play with you. Its really that simple, and most people learn that in kindergarten. People stand up to important stuff in real life. This isn't real life, and you aren't important. So people dont 'stand up to you'. Instead, they play a game. And then go on with their lives.

 

[CplVlademir]

No, you were asking folk who do NOT want to PVP, to PVP.

I was saying in order to stop griefing, you need to PvP. NO NPC is going to stop people from doing that.

I also said that I would love to see that happen. I didn't ask anyone anything.
I'm just saying what you should do if you want a problem gone.
there is no other way.

 

[Chaparral]

Probably because what you want is WoW, not Elite. Elite is supposed to be dark, grim, unforgiving. Listen to DB describe the universe, read the novels. Way worse stuff happens in there than blowing up a sidey. This 'solution' you like so much is what is lazy and cheap, and creates an artificial constraint on the universe. Heck, what even is the problem here, besides some ruffled feelies? Did you lose a sidewinder to something when you started? Did it matter? "Oh no, I have to grab a new free sidewinder which costs exactly 0cr", said noone ever. People just starting out wont even know it is a human, never mind have heard of SDC. Or care. They get blown up. They restart and try again. You know where all the whining and moaning about poor sealclubbing happens? In the DD forums. You know where it doesnt happen? The newcomer forums. Guess why?

SDC is annoying on general principle, but in the end they are just a small group of losers with effectively zero impact on anyone. Outside of forums, that is.

So from your point of view we should drop solo an PGs. That would be the logical extension of your reasoning. You can have a dark and dangerous game through dangerous NPCs. The game serves more than your population. Dollar for dollar, IMO PVE'rs contribute more to the franchise. Is there a dedicated PVP group the size of Mobius or Mobius PVE? No. I don't think the player population data supports your playstyle as the most financially important to the success of this game. You like Elite, so do I. I want it to grow and attract new players. The current PVP/PVE mess keeps players out of open and makes the game unattractive to new players.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

I was saying in order to stop griefing, you need to PvP. NO NPC is going to stop people from doing that.

I also said that I would love to see that happen. I didn't ask anyone anything.
I'm just saying what you should do if you want a problem gone.
there is no other way.

Because when people go PvP, all the griefers magically disappear.

Solid logic your honour

So from your point of view we should drop solo an PGs. That would be the logical extension of your reasoning. You can have a dark and dangerous game through dangerous NPCs. The game serves more than your population. Dollar for dollar, IMO PVE'rs contribute more to the franchise. Is there a dedicated PVP group the size of Mobius or Mobius PVE? No. I don't think the player population data supports your playstyle as the most financially important to the success of this game. You like Elite, so do I. I want it to grow and attract new players. The current PVP/PVE mess keeps players out of open and makes the game unattractive to new players.

Guys. Can you please be a little less transparent?

Please? For me?

 

[relayer]

All a PvPer wants is a fight. Give it to them.

What's in it for me?

'Zactly. It seems that they need me to be thier content.

Oh, well. "So sorry, p.u.s.s.y.c.a.t."

EDIT: I guess you can't say "p.u.s.s.y.c.a.t." on the forums

 

[CplVlademir]

Because when people go PvP, all the griefers magically disappear.

Solid logic your honour

You get less griefing of newbs, that's for sure. Nothing will "disappear". Do you think this is an easy thing? It's not. It has to be earned hard. Very hard.

 

[jasonbarron]

Lol, wut? Can you quote this amazing top-quality advice for me Jason?

I said "offering advice and help." Obviously people are more interested in the screeching and throwing fecal matter than going anywhere constructive with it. I'll offer a piece of advice of my own: all you players who don't like the blockading should band together and go do something about it--even a herd of Zebras can be pretty scary when they all stampede in the same direction

 

[Pumabear8]

I was saying in order to stop griefing, you need to PvP. NO NPC is going to stop people from doing that.

I also said that I would love to see that happen. I didn't ask anyone anything.
I'm just saying what you should do if you want a problem gone.
there is no other way.

I think many would like to see just Open, but until they implement a PVE/PVP flag that can only be set at the start of a session, that's not going to happen, I can't speak for anyone else, but from my perspective as a Mobius user, the griefer's are welcome to Open, I'm not gonna lose any sleep over a game or them.

 

[CplVlademir]

'Zactly. It seems that they need me to be thier content.

Oh, well. "So sorry, cat."

If you want less newb/trader/explorer killings, that is what you should do. Noone is whining when a BGS group lockdowns someones station from PG. To solve that, you have to do some BGS. To solve griefing, you have to do some PvP. This is the game.

 

[EvE4evah]

…please bring me my wine…

… just can't kill the beast…

…warm smell of collitas…

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Noone is whining when a BGS group lockdowns someones station from PG. To solve that, you have to do some BGS.

No. PvPers wouldn't dream of crying about PvEers working the BGS. Never happens.

 

[Ian Skippy]

I said "offering advice and help." Obviously people are more interested in the screeching and throwing fecal matter than going anywhere constructive with it.

Really Jason? [ugh]

So from your point of view we should drop solo an PGs. That would be the logical extension of your reasoning. You can have a dark and dangerous game through dangerous NPCs. The game serves more than your population. Dollar for dollar, IMO PVE'rs contribute more to the franchise. Is there a dedicated PVP group the size of Mobius or Mobius PVE? No. I don't think the player population data supports your playstyle as the most financially important to the success of this game. You like Elite, so do I. I want it to grow and attract new players. The current PVP/PVE mess keeps players out of open and makes the game unattractive to new players.

I think you are looking for the hotel. Not staying there myself.

 

[relayer]

I suspect most of those will simply pick Solo next time they log on.

♪
Oh solo meooooooooo ♫
Oh solo you-o.... ♬

 

[jasonbarron]

Really Jason? [ugh]



I think you are looking for the hotel. Not staying there myself.

Hey sleutelbos, I filled out my post to offer some advice of my own

 

[EvE4evah]

If you want less newb/trader/explorer killings, that is what you should do. Noone is whining when a BGS group lockdowns someones station from PG. To solve that, you have to do some BGS. To solve griefing, you have to do some PvP. This is the game.

Buddy, you're trying to climb a mountain with a Hard Rock in yoyr shoulders. Won't happen. Majority of the playerbase currently does not fancy PvP, and I don't see how this will change anytime soon unfortunately.

…let it go,
Let it go…