I agree but unfortunately this is the forum most of the nerfettes whirl their Pom poms and chant their catchy songs! This is their stage where they put on their disgusted faces and try to shame the Braben and his people by misquoting and ridiculing them!
Every update simply makes progression more tedious, past exploiters have found religion.
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I agree but unfortunately this is the forum most of the nerfettes whirl their Pom poms and chant their catchy songs! This is their stage where they put on their disgusted faces and try to shame the Braben and his people by misquoting and ridiculing them!
LOL. Did it take you long to think up that pointless response.....or did you have help? Every post so far has used *facts* to dismiss the OP's ludicrous comments, a novel concept to exploiters like yourself. Now where is that ignore button?
"Nerfettes wavin their bloody pom poms" Not in my day - no such things as "Pom Poms" - Bricks we ad, bloody great hefty things the were an all. We didn't hav no "Catchy Songs" either - hymns we ad, bloody good un's as well. I remember those days round christmas time, standing in front of some neighbours house singin "Silent Night" with 2 bricks, 1 in each 'and in 8ft of snow.
Bloody greatful we were an all - built character.
V2k.
Ah the ignore button is the internet equivalent of putting your fingers in your ears, rolling around on the floor while kicking your feet screaming la la la “I can’t hear you”! Lol.
i’v been exploiting, well I mean playing for two years now on Xbox, PC and PS4 so my progress, sorry exploitation of mechanics has given me hundreds of hours of entertainment and more importantly for Frontier and even you,I must have spent about £400 on the games and skins ect across all the formats! So everyone is has done quite well out of it really! Like you and others in this post I have an opinion. Have you seen the signatures of some of the self proclaimed “veterans” on this site?
You still haven't made a single poiont in your ramblings - other then that you don't care for logic of course.
^^^^This!
Also every time Frontier slows a players progress to getting into a new ship they are also lowering their income potential. If people can’t buy a new ship then they won’t be buying paint or ship kits for it with their real money!
Or maybe ppl buy a second paint job for their current ship bc they will have to stick with it longer....
Also the whole discussion is moot. Every update so far has verifiably heightened earning possibilities ( exploits aside )
I have played for just under two years on three formats!
I have not become bored with the game by quickly getting into big ships!
I have spent a lot of real world cash that will have helped fund updates for all involved!
I do not demand Frontier do anything as I am just a nobody who plays their video game but I do have an opinion so I will voice it!
I’m triple elite on Xbox and PS4 and have a cutter, vette and conda on both! I ain’t no “snowflake” so why would I care if other people get them quicker than I did?
There are a few points for you.
I agree OP.
So i assume i'm a black knight.
I used Quincy (scan missions) to ugrade my conda that was bought with "legit" credits.
Do i feel bad for exploiting the game? NO, NOT AT ALL!
I do not enjoy grinding credits, so if i can skip one part of the endless grinding it's more than wellcome.
Let's put it down this way, if the game itselfs put the goals i gave myself (for now i am intreted in the more alien things, exploring and points of intrests like the big ships) then i would get frustrated and after that i would move on to the next game.
Elite is a nice game, but there are hundreds others and as a working family father my freetime is near the absolute 0.
I Enjoy elite, i even like to fly from system to system aimlessly just to see what points of intrest could be in the next one, i help my friends out how i can (not that you can do much beside aiding combat or deliver them few bucks of cargo).
Grinding credits is defenitely not one of these things.
So i assume i'm a black knight.
I used Quincy (scan missions) to ugrade my conda that was bought with "legit" credits.
Do i feel bad for exploiting the game? NO, NOT AT ALL!
I do not enjoy grinding credits, so if i can skip one part of the endless grinding it's more than wellcome.
Let's put it down this way, if the game itselfs put the goals i gave myself (for now i am intreted in the more alien things, exploring and points of intrests like the big ships) then i would get frustrated and after that i would move on to the next game.
Elite is a nice game, but there are hundreds others and as a working family father my freetime is near the absolute 0.
I Enjoy elite, i even like to fly from system to system aimlessly just to see what points of intrest could be in the next one, i help my friends out how i can (not that you can do much beside aiding combat or deliver them few bucks of cargo).
Grinding credits is defenitely not one of these things.
In which way do these points refute or address any of the arguments made? Especially the one that every update makes it easier to gain money ( bugs/exploits aside )
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Join reality mate.
You want a server to play on or not. Fdev sure as hell aint making money on alredy sold games, their dev cycles, pathetic as they are cost money for employee's and servers definitely are not free.
You NEED us, as in millennial grind adverse people, who in buying this danm game fund the development and servers.
The steam rating is complete trash and average play time is also trash on steam. The grind loving space rubberneckers are milked dry, fdev need greater appeal and hello bankruptcy if they dont get it.
You might not like appeasing the impatient generation (like me and half of steam) but you better hope steam gets appeased and fast because we all know offline play play was big lie that incidentally makes gaming with no server quite difficult.
Faster grind isn't going to achieve anything, especially not with how much we've already sped it up.
With a little knowledge of how the game works 30M+ an hour is quite achievable, and income from normal gameplay has gone up with every update. That's enough to buy my FAS, in just one hour. Two more and you'll be done outfitting it. Not the rebuy, the entire ship. Imagine if in WoT you could get a tier 6 tank in just one hour of gameplay and have it maxed out in three, that's our current income rate. People with limited time per week technically don't have to devote as many in-game hours because CGs can double or triple their per-hour income spread over the week, ensuring any time they do commit can be used with extreme efficiency.
And that's not enough? What is? What will be fast enough for you? How many FAS should I be able to buy per hour? How quickly do you want to buy and outfit an Anaconda?
We have plenty of income, what we need is something to do with our ships after we've bought them.
Edit: You know what, I'll tell the story of how I introduced one of my friends to Elite to illustrate.
He wanted to pew pew, so obviously I told him the first order of business would be getting him a viper. Turns out he had the package with a free viper, the MkIV isn't as good as the MkIII in my opinion but close enough, mission accomplished.
So then I told him "right, slap some lasers and multicannons on that thing, follow me to this system that has a war, and accept all the massacre missions from this faction. Then just shoot whatever I shoot so we both get credit."
Two or three hours later we turned those missions in and he was weighing his options between a Vulture and an FdL. He went with the FdL, needed to go to another system to pick up an A rated FSD, and promptly got himself stranded because although I had warned him about the small tank and need for a fuel scoop, I had forgotten to explain how to find scoopable stars on the map.
So I grabbed my python, loaded up on fuel and limpets, and rescued him. He decided he wanted something with more jump range. Two days later, he had an Anaconda and was learning how to park it the hard way. Fortunately, he had remembered my advice about rebuys so he still has an Anaconda.
How's that for quick?
With a little knowledge of how the game works 30M+ an hour is quite achievable, and income from normal gameplay has gone up with every update. That's enough to buy my FAS, in just one hour. Two more and you'll be done outfitting it. Not the rebuy, the entire ship. Imagine if in WoT you could get a tier 6 tank in just one hour of gameplay and have it maxed out in three, that's our current income rate. People with limited time per week technically don't have to devote as many in-game hours because CGs can double or triple their per-hour income spread over the week, ensuring any time they do commit can be used with extreme efficiency.
And that's not enough? What is? What will be fast enough for you? How many FAS should I be able to buy per hour? How quickly do you want to buy and outfit an Anaconda?
We have plenty of income, what we need is something to do with our ships after we've bought them.
Edit: You know what, I'll tell the story of how I introduced one of my friends to Elite to illustrate.
He wanted to pew pew, so obviously I told him the first order of business would be getting him a viper. Turns out he had the package with a free viper, the MkIV isn't as good as the MkIII in my opinion but close enough, mission accomplished.
So then I told him "right, slap some lasers and multicannons on that thing, follow me to this system that has a war, and accept all the massacre missions from this faction. Then just shoot whatever I shoot so we both get credit."
Two or three hours later we turned those missions in and he was weighing his options between a Vulture and an FdL. He went with the FdL, needed to go to another system to pick up an A rated FSD, and promptly got himself stranded because although I had warned him about the small tank and need for a fuel scoop, I had forgotten to explain how to find scoopable stars on the map.
So I grabbed my python, loaded up on fuel and limpets, and rescued him. He decided he wanted something with more jump range. Two days later, he had an Anaconda and was learning how to park it the hard way. Fortunately, he had remembered my advice about rebuys so he still has an Anaconda.
How's that for quick?
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This all hyperbole. Sure you can earn credits, IF you do the same thing over and over again. The question is really.. Is it Balanced? And no, it's not, at all.
Mining.. Sit for hours and mine a rock. If that's you happiness mode. Great I have no quibles with it.
HazRez farming. Unbalanced, and nerfed to make it way more harder than it used to be. No it' not a money maker.
Passenger Missions: Again, same over and over again. And, the money only comes in after spending hours earning the same faction. Which means, you have to stay in the same system.
Trading: No quibbles,, if you want to go from a-b-c-b-a all night. Then great.
Exploration: Have no problem with this except the bugs and silly 'Unknown Permit' garbage.
Engineers: A grind fest for a random reward.
MultiCrew: Good when it works..
Holo-Me: Garbage
Thargoids: Mini game ladybird story in a USS. Meh, not worth the visit.
Every release is shoddy code, and shoddy implementation. I dare anyone to disprove this!
Elite: Bugs & Grinds
Mining.. Sit for hours and mine a rock. If that's you happiness mode. Great I have no quibles with it.
HazRez farming. Unbalanced, and nerfed to make it way more harder than it used to be. No it' not a money maker.
Passenger Missions: Again, same over and over again. And, the money only comes in after spending hours earning the same faction. Which means, you have to stay in the same system.
Trading: No quibbles,, if you want to go from a-b-c-b-a all night. Then great.
Exploration: Have no problem with this except the bugs and silly 'Unknown Permit' garbage.
Engineers: A grind fest for a random reward.
MultiCrew: Good when it works..
Holo-Me: Garbage
Thargoids: Mini game ladybird story in a USS. Meh, not worth the visit.
Every release is shoddy code, and shoddy implementation. I dare anyone to disprove this!
Elite: Bugs & Grinds
They might need you if they were publishing a phone game. Luckily they make other full-on video games too, so your monies aren't as vital as you think if they come with this level of entitlement attitude. Nobody needs to appease your impatience with yet another Skinnerboxfest.
The core problem with appeasement of any impatience is that nothing truly stops it, like a swarm of locusts. No game will hold that impatience much longer than any other new shiny, because it is a function of that mindset, not the game. It's a fool's errand to chase after that market because it is by its nature swift and unstable, seeking only to consume and move on.
Well, this is a little progress at least: so now we've determined that the problem is not a lack of ways to make money, it's that you don't enjoy any of the game's most profitable activities.
Unfortunately, out of everything on that list there are only three things missing: piracy, combat zones, and PvP. Out of those, only piracy and PvP are actually unprofitable (the bonds in CZs are low but the attached mission payouts easily make up for it, even with the nerf to stacking).
So, it seems more likely then that the problem is you only enjoy piracy and/or PvP, and *those* are unprofitable. Considering your previous complaints about keeping up with rebuys, I'm going to guess PvP because that's basically the only activity in the game where rebuys are a significant expense.
In which case I'd suggest you're playing the game wrong, as PvP is the exact opposite of profitable for a reason.
it does not stand to reason they would pump money from a different project into an old project if it is not making money.
if they are making phone games, and if those games make money i doubt they would be nice enough to channel that into elite "IF" it is non-profitable or not selling. again, i am not saying this is the case.
as for chasing a playerbase with appeasement. depends on your definition of appeasement.
games such as fallout (even tho they are single-player) have a huge player-base who will happily sink thousands of hours into it. same goes for all manner of games both single and multiplayer, borderlands perhaps being a perfect example.
the defining feature of a lot of the popular ones is that while getting to the god-tier is still thousands of hours, there is a constant and noticeable improvement or progression throughout.
in elite getting into a A-rated vulture is not too hard, but from then on out if played as the game is meant to be played the grind is huge, and there is very little along the way to give a sense of improvement or progression, aside from intermittent upgrades to ship-parts.
you don't need to stop people from having to work for it. but the cold and unyielding grind for people who like to improve as opposed to aimless flying for fun is not something i see appealing to a big market for long.
not after enough of said market has gotten upset and left a negative review that is.
Truth is easier than
All wrong my friend
I have every ship, all A-Rated and engineered the way I want. I never play in open and never ever do PvP.
I spend my time mostly in the HazRez, then go on an exploration trip, then check out the barnacle sites or crashed ships etc. I have my own fun. I don't need credits. I think I'm 1.2bn in liquid assets, A Conda, 2 Cutters, a vette, 3 Pythons, an FDL Vulture, Cobra, Courier and a partridge in a pear tree.
Thing is; I find the rest boring.. Bring passengers to this port, carry cargo to somewhere else.
The 'galaxy' for sure is huge, the problem is; once you've done some things more than 1000 times, they tend to get boring AF.
There is no balance, nothing to look forward to. FDev continually strive to make everything as difficult as possible for as long as possible. And everything is random based.
Engineers would be oh so more acceptable, if you know that you are going to get the reward. But you don't. It's a dice roll or 20.
E.D. is what you the player makes of what you're given. I think it's a bad implementation and framework, but that's what we have. Like I said I make my own fun. After 2000 odd hr in the game, it has to be that way.
I love what I can do in E.D. I hate the way they've implemented it. And find myself alwayss thinking 'do these guys have any actual clue or roadmap' as to what they want E.D. to be. It's not a game, it's not a sim, it's not a sandbox. It's a bunch of 'stuff' thrown in, in a haphazard fashion. And nothing in the 'beyond' video has made me sit up and think 'yes! at last'. It sad part of it all for me is, that I feel, judging by past Fdev performance, whatever they do, they'll mess it up, and deliver it buggy as heck.
Will it stop me playing? Hell no.. At least not until something more interesting comes along.
All wrong my friend
I have every ship, all A-Rated and engineered the way I want. I never play in open and never ever do PvP.
I spend my time mostly in the HazRez, then go on an exploration trip, then check out the barnacle sites or crashed ships etc. I have my own fun. I don't need credits. I think I'm 1.2bn in liquid assets, A Conda, 2 Cutters, a vette, 3 Pythons, an FDL Vulture, Cobra, Courier and a partridge in a pear tree.
Thing is; I find the rest boring.. Bring passengers to this port, carry cargo to somewhere else.
The 'galaxy' for sure is huge, the problem is; once you've done some things more than 1000 times, they tend to get boring AF.
There is no balance, nothing to look forward to. FDev continually strive to make everything as difficult as possible for as long as possible. And everything is random based.
Engineers would be oh so more acceptable, if you know that you are going to get the reward. But you don't. It's a dice roll or 20.
E.D. is what you the player makes of what you're given. I think it's a bad implementation and framework, but that's what we have. Like I said I make my own fun. After 2000 odd hr in the game, it has to be that way.
I love what I can do in E.D. I hate the way they've implemented it. And find myself alwayss thinking 'do these guys have any actual clue or roadmap' as to what they want E.D. to be. It's not a game, it's not a sim, it's not a sandbox. It's a bunch of 'stuff' thrown in, in a haphazard fashion. And nothing in the 'beyond' video has made me sit up and think 'yes! at last'. It sad part of it all for me is, that I feel, judging by past Fdev performance, whatever they do, they'll mess it up, and deliver it buggy as heck.
Will it stop me playing? Hell no.. At least not until something more interesting comes along.
Then you have no reason at all to complain about credits, as you clearly have plenty of them and they are quite easy for you to acquire. To say that you're drowning in credits, that they're easy to acquire, and then claim the problem is you can't earn credits fast enough? That's barking right up the wrong tree.
Which then goes back to what I said before: we don't need more credits, they're plenty easy to get. We need something to do with the ships after we've bought them, something that will be fun whether it earns credits or not.
I think you don't undestand what he are trying to say;
Like me, he have credits, but this don't have turned him in a sadomaschist that like to see another people working 10 days to make what HE does in 2.
I know you "slow progression" guys don't care about anyone beside yourselfes, i'ts a waste of time by my part trying to argue this but he is right, nobody deseve to work 10X harder that i already have worked just because im blionarie right now.
We (i think he too) want that this game GROW and get more players, we don't want to make people leave/avoid so, for sure we don't like to punish new players!