And.. It's never going to happen, or at least, not in any meaningful future timeline. And do you know why? Because it'll mss up the entire VR system. Meaning.. If they add FPS walking they'll have to add the whole thing to VR. And nobody right now, has managed to create a system where you can walk around naturally in VR.
Why Are Space Legs and Atmospheric Landings Such a Hot Topic?
- Thread starter Gamatech
- Start date
And.. It's never going to happen, or at least, not in any meaningful future timeline. And do you know why? Because it'll mss up the entire VR system. Meaning.. If they add FPS walking they'll have to add the whole thing to VR. And nobody right now, has managed to create a system where you can walk around naturally in VR.
Rather than extol the merits of NMS, I'll just ask when the last time you played it was.
We already have places on planets to go, facilities on planets, protected facilities on planets - never tried to Shut Down the Settlement Generator? Never looked for CIF?
There certainly is a place for walking about in Elite, and for Atmospheric Planetary Landings.
And you can Not Want it as much as just as many other people Didn't Want Space Pew Pew and see what you get in the end.
I said it elsewhere, I'll say it again here - it's not up to us. Frontier will develop and release what they develop and release, and when then develop and release it.
People didn't want multicrew. We have multicrew.
People didn't want Ship Transfer. We have ship transfer.
So we're going to get what they give.
Therefore it cannot be done.
You know some other things that couldn't be done?
Man couldn't fly. Still waiting in line at the TSA.
Man couldn't venture to the bottom of the ocean - hello submarine.
Man couldn't walk on the moon - hi Neil Armstrong's foot prints.
Man couldn't travel in time - didn't I just have this conversation?
I can assure you, as a Rift user, what you're saying is incorrect. Plenty of VR games handle ambulation just fine.
I am not obsessed about atmospheric landings. In fact I'd propose Frontier remove landings on some non-atmospheric landings currently we have in the game.
For example, none of our ships should have been able to land on anything >0.5g. Even in our planet with only 1g we require huge rockets and fuel storage to send a "ship" the size of a hong kong bathroom to leave the atmosphere, and that's with an atmosphere supporting its back side (denser air at its bottom, lighter air at its top). It wouldn't make any sense that Cobras, Sidewinders and Vultures or even Corvettes to be able to lift off from any planet bigger than 0.5g.
You probably would require as large a fuel tank taking off (and exhaust them all) when landing. There is no "glide" if there is atmosphere. Nothing is fighting against the gravity other than your little thrusters (you use your large thrusters to lift off yet use only tiny underside thrusters to land??? what is this? fantasy game??)
But Space Legs would be much welcomed. There is absolutely zero sense in picking up missions from a mission board. You got to leave the ship and meet the people and seek missions, especially shady ones. How could shady missions popup in an official power controlled Mission Board? You got to leave your ship to operate cargo and to operate the cargo levers, or inject synthesis into your modules or sort out minerals and ore mined. (What? do all the ore cut from mining lasers are of the same exact size that they can be sorted by automated refinery bins? This is absolutely immersion breaking and is ruining the game!)
And then let's talk about the positives. It would be the first game where we can have zero-G travel in our own ships either to the cargo bay or to the beds or to the engines. Or we could orbit around a large planet and take advantage of its gravity to walk around our own ships on our feet. Or we could set the ship to auto roll so as to generate enough centripetal force that it would feel like gravity and we'd be able to walk on our ships. THere are so many things we could explore in this sandbox, stuff that even the science fiction world hasn't thought of.
And that's why I am obsessed with Space Legs.
For example, none of our ships should have been able to land on anything >0.5g. Even in our planet with only 1g we require huge rockets and fuel storage to send a "ship" the size of a hong kong bathroom to leave the atmosphere, and that's with an atmosphere supporting its back side (denser air at its bottom, lighter air at its top). It wouldn't make any sense that Cobras, Sidewinders and Vultures or even Corvettes to be able to lift off from any planet bigger than 0.5g.
You probably would require as large a fuel tank taking off (and exhaust them all) when landing. There is no "glide" if there is atmosphere. Nothing is fighting against the gravity other than your little thrusters (you use your large thrusters to lift off yet use only tiny underside thrusters to land??? what is this? fantasy game??)
But Space Legs would be much welcomed. There is absolutely zero sense in picking up missions from a mission board. You got to leave the ship and meet the people and seek missions, especially shady ones. How could shady missions popup in an official power controlled Mission Board? You got to leave your ship to operate cargo and to operate the cargo levers, or inject synthesis into your modules or sort out minerals and ore mined. (What? do all the ore cut from mining lasers are of the same exact size that they can be sorted by automated refinery bins? This is absolutely immersion breaking and is ruining the game!)
And then let's talk about the positives. It would be the first game where we can have zero-G travel in our own ships either to the cargo bay or to the beds or to the engines. Or we could orbit around a large planet and take advantage of its gravity to walk around our own ships on our feet. Or we could set the ship to auto roll so as to generate enough centripetal force that it would feel like gravity and we'd be able to walk on our ships. THere are so many things we could explore in this sandbox, stuff that even the science fiction world hasn't thought of.
And that's why I am obsessed with Space Legs.
Name one game that allows me to walk more than the designated floor area that the sensors can reach? I'd be interested in checking it out.
Are you implying that For us to walk around our ships they have to be 12 feet (4mtr) long at most?
This game takes place in 3303 (currently). Completely different propulsion systems.
Er, no. You would walk around using a controller or (less ideally) a keyboard.
Last edited:
The world in 3303 would still be bound by the laws of physics.. to beat gravity you'd need to eject enough mass at speed in the opposite direction.
Yes, clearly we have some very powerful sci-fi thrusters.
Ian Phillips
Volunteer Moderator
Only if you are using mass (rocket propulsion) as your propulsion method.
OR, if you are using mass ejection as the propulsion system, just move it faster than our current chemical rockets can manage.
Last edited:
I would consider that, an entire waste of development time. Would I like to see the inside of my ship? Sure? How many times? em.. Once would be enough...
A better option would be to show the interior as you used relevant parts. Taking on Ammo? Show the arsenal. Taking on goods? Show the cargo area. Etc etc.. Why you need to walk around?
Here's a thing. Right now I have VR. I can see the entire bridge and all behind me. Not once have I said oh.. I wanna walk thru those doors.
The only part of the ship we need to be interested in is the front
I do not agree with you.
But that´s that.
Jenner
I wish I was English like my hero Tj.
Last edited:
Yeh I can get on board with that. But I can't see FD doing it. They can't get the basics right...
Ian Phillips
Volunteer Moderator
Oh I don 't know - they managed to get planets into the game, and you need them to walk on!
![[VR] Frank_G](https://forums-cdn.zaonce.net/data/avatars/m/59/59394.jpg?1553527111){kind=avatar}
Why?
Take a look at minute 5:55 and following from this video dated back to 2013: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6WmsnwNq98
And this statement at 3:00, also on a video dated back to 2012: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EM0Gcl7iUM8
So maybe that is the reason why... and i am along these people, that are waiting, but i am not one of those forcing. As said in the videos, i want it to be done right.
Cheers!
Take a look at minute 5:55 and following from this video dated back to 2013: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6WmsnwNq98
And this statement at 3:00, also on a video dated back to 2012: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EM0Gcl7iUM8
So maybe that is the reason why... and i am along these people, that are waiting, but i am not one of those forcing. As said in the videos, i want it to be done right.
Cheers!
Can't figure out how to attach an image from Google drive here, but here is the link
https://photos.app.goo.gl/LkYqsn3gnN6Ma92J3
First option on the left is basic but would result in a big headache as the forces acting on the leg (further from central point of rotation) is larger than the forces felt on the head of the pilot.
Second option on the right requires the spaceship to rotate around a fixed point in space from a distance "r" away from it which is a function of the speed (function of thruster power vs mass of ship) of the artificial orbit around this fixed point.
I would propose the 2nd option of generating artificial gravity on a ship. Forget magnetic boots and all those things - magnetic boots wouldn't let you walk normally.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/LkYqsn3gnN6Ma92J3
First option on the left is basic but would result in a big headache as the forces acting on the leg (further from central point of rotation) is larger than the forces felt on the head of the pilot.
Second option on the right requires the spaceship to rotate around a fixed point in space from a distance "r" away from it which is a function of the speed (function of thruster power vs mass of ship) of the artificial orbit around this fixed point.
I would propose the 2nd option of generating artificial gravity on a ship. Forget magnetic boots and all those things - magnetic boots wouldn't let you walk normally.
I would consider that, an entire waste of development time. Would I like to see the inside of my ship? Sure? How many times? em.. Once would be enough...
A better option would be to show the interior as you used relevant parts. Taking on Ammo? Show the arsenal. Taking on goods? Show the cargo area. Etc etc.. Why you need to walk around?
Here's a thing. Right now I have VR. I can see the entire bridge and all behind me. Not once have I said oh.. I wanna walk thru those doors.
The only part of the ship we need to be interested in is the front
Actually, I've always wanted to walk through those door. That's part of what VR does to me.
I walk around in X Rebirth VR.
You're probably right that both would be a major undertaking. For my part, I couldn't care less about space legs. But, now that we have non-atmospheric landing, it would be a little ridiculous not being able to land on planets with atmosphere. Maybe Frontier can do it in stages, first on planet wilt light atmospheres, then full on. Of course, they could also progressively introduce different and varied weather patterns over time, maybe not all at once. Remember we are still waiting to see comets in the game!