Wow. First time in 3.5 years I think: That´s it for Elite: Dangerous

[Theodrid]

I din't say anything about bug fixes. Also you don't know what fixing that bug implies. In game where there are basically layers upon layers fixing one small bug means big consequences.

As for CIG they story is different - fact they struggle to fix issues is not itself a problem. Problem is they struggle to do that for way too long time. Story is very different there.

My points have been about listing things like bug fixes and presenting them as additions - read back if you need to do so........and geez, you can't stop can you? - you don't know any more than I do what the consequences or not of fixing a bug in Elite Dangerous are exactly, I never claimed any such knowledge anyway, so to be frank I'm not sure what your point is there.

 

[babelfisch]

My points have been about listing things like bug fixes and presenting them as additions - read back if you need to do so........and geez, you can't stop can you? - you don't know any more than I do what the consequences or not of fixing a bug in Elite Dangerous are exactly, I never claimed any such knowledge so to be frank I'm not sure what your point is there.

Again, I didn't present them as additions. The purpose of the list was to show that the claim "they added 0 improvements" is wrong. I didn't think that someone would really believe that every item of that list is a feature. It was enough to show that the claim is wrong, the goal was not to say "look, they added 1500 new features" when 900 of them are bug fixes.

PS
And it's also completely unrelated to the original argument.

 

[Theodrid]

Again, I didn't present them as additions. The purpose of the list was to show that the claim "they added 0 improvements" is wrong. I didn't think that someone would really believe that every item of that list is a feature. It was enough to show that the claim is wrong, the goal was not to say "look, they added 1500 new features" when 900 of them are bug fixes.

And, for the third time you are right in that there have been more than zero improvements, but presenting that essay IS slightly disingenuous, you said you couldn't edit it because of time, fair enough, but it would have arguably taken less time, or at worst a similar amount to list some key additions rather than dumping that essay as 'proof'.

 

[babelfisch]

And, for the third time you are right in that there have been more than zero improvements, but presenting that essay IS slightly disingenuous, you said you couldn't edit it because of time, fair enough, but it would have arguably taken less time, or at worst a similar amount to list some key additions rather than dumping that essay as 'proof'.

I just copy&pasted that from Barking Mad's blog. Just posting some key improvements wouldn't work. If I say "well they added passenger missions" someone will answer "passenger missions aren't a new feature because they are just reskinned cargo missions". And that would be the case with EVERY improvement I could post. So the only way to make a point is to post a list that is so long, that nobody will be interested in challenging every point on it. But ultimately I just didn't expect to end up in this stupid discussion with you when I posted it

 

[Theodrid]

I just copy&pasted that from Barking Mad's blog. Just posting some key improvements wouldn't work. If I say "well they added passenger missions" someone will answer "passenger missions aren't a new feature because they are just reskinned cargo missions". And that would be the case with EVERY improvement I could post. So the only way to make a point is to post a list that is so long, that nobody will be interested in challenging every point on it. But ultimately I just didn't expect to end up in this stupid discussion with you when I posted it

Hehe, thanks........the feeling is more than mutual I assure you........., considering you've ended up in that boat anyway with this stupid discussion perhaps you should have tried it and at least prevented this one?

 

[Alderius]

$800 per ship, hope you get an Iphone with that "Alpha" investment

Sure, you can pay a ton of money for these SC ships, I think they had a package worth $15k!. I'm looking at the $65 option, which is less than I paid for ED all in. And of course, it's in Alpha, but having said that in some aspects it already has more depth than ED. I'm not answering the post to start an ED vs SC discussion (there used to be a thread about that somewhere), I'm just clarifying it's not "$800" per ship, and even though it's in Alpha, sometimes ED seems like it's in Beta.....

 

[zarrazee]

OP. Sorry you feel that way. I'm on my 3rd playthrough to Elite rank, now in VR. Loving it still.

 

[Ignition]

Right. Thats why they have just held their first Frontier Expo and presented their roadmap for ED for the coming year.

Are you available? I hear there is a T.rex that needs feeding.

And didnt show anything of the future of the game, only a few concept art pictures. Did you see the Star Citizen con? I expected something like that for Elite.

FD showed videos for their other, its clear their focus is not Elite anymore.

Are you Braben’s son?

HAHAHAHAHAHA

 

[Ignition]

My points have been about listing things like bug fixes and presenting them as additions - read back if you need to do so........and geez, you can't stop can you? - you don't know any more than I do what the consequences or not of fixing a bug in Elite Dangerous are exactly, I never claimed any such knowledge anyway, so to be frank I'm not sure what your point is there.

For some people Bug Fixing is new gameplay content.
The actual new additions for each changelog are a few lines, 99% of the changelog are fixes and non important stuff for a gamer pov.

 

[Dbrn47]

[video=youtube;jmQNKjkkWIQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmQNKjkkWIQ[/video]

Development has always been slow. I'm giving them till the feature announcements after beyond before I move on completely. Gives them plenty of time, but yea, I'd say it hasn't been easy waiting for the new things to come along.

 

[GraXXoR]

But but but ten year plan etc

For the love of everything held holy and sacred, THERE IS NO TEN YEAR PLAN...

oh hang on, I see what you did there ;-)

 

[babelfisch]

And didnt show anything of the future of the game, only a few concept art pictures. Did you see the Star Citizen con? I expected something like that for Elite.

FD showed videos for their other, its clear their focus is not Elite anymore.



HAHAHAHAHAHA

No, it's not. And they showed more than concept art.

For the love of everything held holy and sacred, THERE IS NO TEN YEAR PLAN...

oh hang on, I see what you did there ;-)

Actually there is plan to support the game for 10 years, there are just a few individuals like you who don't understand what it means.

 

[GraXXoR]

Hardly .
Specially after spending some 200+ USD in cosmetics like I have.

FDev actually gets lots and lots and lots of money from the Store. There's simply no justifying the slow-to-a-crawl implementation of fixes/new content we're seeing.

Edit: mobile is Grammar enemy

Of course there is justification... They are a public listed company.

They answer to their shareholders. The other two franchises PC and JW are far more popular and will offer a much better ROI than ED.
So it's almost a legal obligation that they invest that money in the other games. Most of us paid on the kickstarter. We are former, past, ex customers of theirs who have already opened and more importantly closed our wallets. ED was basically DB's baby but it's far more emotional and personal than a major money spinner that JW is going to be.

Look at how one can usually get a cheaper monthly mobile bill if one quits their current provider and moves to a different one... Looking at it from another point of view... Look at how a loyal customer gets a worse deal that some new whippersnapper joining and getting 3 months for free.

 

[babelfisch]

Of course there is justification... They are a public listed company.

They answer to their shareholders. The other two franchises PC and JW are far more popular and will offer a much better ROI than ED.
So it's almost a legal obligation that they invest that money in the other games. Most of us paid on the kickstarter. We are former, past, ex customers of theirs who have already opened and more importantly closed our wallets. ED was basically DB's baby but it's far more emotional and personal than a major money spinner that JW is going to be.

Look at how one can usually get a cheaper monthly mobile bill if one quits their current provider and moves to a different one... Looking at it from another point of view... Look at how a loyal customer gets a worse deal that some new whippersnapper joining and getting 3 months for free.

They actually made more income with ED than they made with PC so far, so I am not sure if you have a valid point. Any source?

It actually looks like ED is way more important than PC to them.

 

[Antinull]

....(like mining in DDF sounds like pretty much what FD hints for Beyond)....

A little off topic, but I must have missed any hints about mining, just that it is on the list for a much needed second pass.
What hints?

Cheers.

 

[Ignition]

No, it's not. And they showed more than concept art.

You're right, they showed a community video, the "galnet audio" , 3 picture of planets, and like 4 concept art pictures.

Should we be excited by this?

3.0 was supposed to be about the game, the complete overhaul of the core game placeholders which are mining, trading, exploration, bounty hunting, smuggling.

We got nothing of that [where is it]. The only thing we got was a promise of improving those features and we know how FD manage their promises , remember in 2015 how spectacular was going to be multicrew? [haha] 1 week lasted and then buried in the "unexciting expansion pile".

 

[Cmdr Eagleboy]

Of course there is justification... They are a public listed company.

They answer to their shareholders. The other two franchises PC and JW are far more popular and will offer a much better ROI than ED.
So it's almost a legal obligation that they invest that money in the other games. Most of us paid on the kickstarter. We are former, past, ex customers of theirs who have already opened and more importantly closed our wallets. ED was basically DB's baby but it's far more emotional and personal than a major money spinner that JW is going to be.

Look at how one can usually get a cheaper monthly mobile bill if one quits their current provider and moves to a different one... Looking at it from another point of view... Look at how a loyal customer gets a worse deal that some new whippersnapper joining and getting 3 months for free.

Yet they took shareholders money and invest for another 1 year of development of ED.

Go figure.

They actually made more income with ED than they made with PC so far, so I am not sure if you have a valid point. Any source?

It actually looks like ED is way more important than PC to them.

PC is important for FD of course - it is another nice game which has high ROI. However, in any hints indicate it right, FD is very happy with cosmetics sales for ED. They don't expect to sell that much addons for PC.

 

[Cmdr Eagleboy]

You're right, they showed a community video, the "galnet audio" , 3 picture of planets, and like 4 concept art pictures.

Should we be excited by this?

3.0 was supposed to be about the game, the complete overhaul of the core game placeholders which are mining, trading, exploration, bounty hunting, smuggling.

We got nothing of that [where is it]. The only thing we got was a promise of improving those features and we know how FD manage their promises , remember in 2015 how spectacular was going to be multicrew? [haha] 1 week lasted and then buried in the "unexciting expansion pile".

Mining is hinted as complete overhaul. FD is light on details because THEY DON'T KNOW IT FULLY THEMSELVES how it will turn out. Gosh. Same of exploration.

edit: I asked Sandro for details about mining and he said basically they they are going back to DDF designs and it is about finding motherload in unhabited systems, prospecting asteroid belts, and finding big catch. They will build in-depth layer around it. I asked do concept indicates that we we will be able to block rocks, and he said yes, they showed what they aim for.

Don't be excited, no one requires you to be. I personally am.

 

[babelfisch]

You're right, they showed a community video, the "galnet audio" , 3 picture of planets, and like 4 concept art pictures.

Should we be excited by this?

3.0 was supposed to be about the game, the complete overhaul of the core game placeholders which are mining, trading, exploration, bounty hunting, smuggling.

We got nothing of that [where is it]. The only thing we got was a promise of improving those features and we know how FD manage their promises , remember in 2015 how spectacular was going to be multicrew? [haha] 1 week lasted and then buried in the "unexciting expansion pile".

I didn't say that you should be excited, I just said that you are wrong.

 

[Aslinkal]

Thargoids story line will continue for all 2018.

Seriously, do only few people read FD PR?

So you're saying we got the last slice, but we're just getting portion of that now? How much more slice, per slice of a slice are they gonna slice? And plz dont tell me they're gonna dice the slice.