At the moment I'm grinding rank, and I can do that more effectively when I'm avoiding other players. But usually I'm playing the BGS, which again I can do more effectively when I'm avoiding other players. I understand that some people prefer Open, or Groups, or Mobius, and good for them. I'm glad that all these options exist, but for myself I'm happy playing Solo.
Why the hate for playing in open?
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At the moment I'm grinding rank, and I can do that more effectively when I'm avoiding other players. But usually I'm playing the BGS, which again I can do more effectively when I'm avoiding other players. I understand that some people prefer Open, or Groups, or Mobius, and good for them. I'm glad that all these options exist, but for myself I'm happy playing Solo.
I’m not afraid of rebuy. Have tons of credits. I’m not very good at combat or fiddling with offensive or defensive systems, nor have time for it. I get that others are, but trading & exploration are my thing and I can do that without griefers. Bottom feeders of gaming society. I don’t enjoy their harassment so I avoid it in PG, and go about my business, probably a trade CG at Maia without their Neanderthal thuggery.
I don’t need sad spawn camping cowards who weren’t hugged enough as children interfering with my gaming experience, so I’ll stay out of it. Not my cup of tea.
I don’t need sad spawn camping cowards who weren’t hugged enough as children interfering with my gaming experience, so I’ll stay out of it. Not my cup of tea.
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Personally I don't give a frell what mode you play. This game is instanced anyway. Even if you play in Open, you won't see everyone who is playing in Open because network, block function and platform choice.
I'm okay with this limitation. There are other games that provide a more populated MP experience. I have the means to play those games. But there's a reason I don't.
FWIW I play in Open, but that's 100% a personal choice.
I'm okay with this limitation. There are other games that provide a more populated MP experience. I have the means to play those games. But there's a reason I don't.
FWIW I play in Open, but that's 100% a personal choice.
stormyuk
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For reference, at least here on PS4 block does nothing to stop instancing.
I'm in Solo most of the time, simply because I prefer to play alone. It's more fun for me, personally, so that's what I do.
PVP doesn't interest me these days. So there's no draw there for me.
Really the only time I'm in Open is when I'm doing a Buckyball Race that requires it.
If I did need to actually interact in-game with another player for some reason, I'd go for a Private group. I'd rather not deal with strangers unless I have to
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There are 3 modes for a reason. Use the one(s) that give you the most fun.
PVP doesn't interest me these days. So there's no draw there for me.
Really the only time I'm in Open is when I'm doing a Buckyball Race that requires it.
If I did need to actually interact in-game with another player for some reason, I'd go for a Private group. I'd rather not deal with strangers unless I have to
. There are 3 modes for a reason. Use the one(s) that give you the most fun.
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If we had a PvP toggle, I'd happily jump into open, but that's not the case. I have no desire to be attacked anytime/anywhere, because I know it'll ruin my experience. If I were in an anarchy system or other lawless area, I would expect it, but then the reverse would need to be true of "high security" systems and it isn't. So, for now, I'll plod along happily in my PGs.
I play in all modes (usually depends what board I hop to when running missions, it’s like russian roulette) I’m just more careful in open.
It still makes me chuckle reading the ‘mode wars’ discussions we have here. My experience of playing in ED open is that players have three choices:-
1. Say hello/07
2. Ignore you
3. Kill you
This has always been enough for me to understand why some people don’t play in open, there’s not really anything in it for them but grief.
The question “why don’t you play in open” is far less interesting than “why do YOU want US to play in open?” because I’m pretty sure it’s not just to wave 07 to a few more people. It’s not like you’re going to want to come “help” me deliver my data and 2t of fish....
It still makes me chuckle reading the ‘mode wars’ discussions we have here. My experience of playing in ED open is that players have three choices:-
1. Say hello/07
2. Ignore you
3. Kill you
This has always been enough for me to understand why some people don’t play in open, there’s not really anything in it for them but grief.
The question “why don’t you play in open” is far less interesting than “why do YOU want US to play in open?” because I’m pretty sure it’s not just to wave 07 to a few more people. It’s not like you’re going to want to come “help” me deliver my data and 2t of fish....
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I do play in open, but I do find it very frustrating when PvP CMDR’s troll during CG events preying on people trying to deliver goods, and they basically hang around the station entry point.
I just close application and restart in solo.
I just close application and restart in solo.
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I do play in open, but I do find it very frustrating when PvP CMDR’s troll during CG events preying on people trying to deliver goods, and they basically hang around the station entry point.
I just close application and restart in solo.
Open is meant for interaction, either positive or antagonistic. It's expected that some players will antagonize traders trying to deliver stuff to the CG. The countermeasures are a plenty:
1. Hire escorts.
2. Silent run.
3. Be tanky.
4. Kill your speed, not your credit balance.
5. Hire people to distract them.
All of these work pretty well.
Still, people want to play in CGs in Open as if they were in S/PG, still complain about antagonic CMDRs. It's like complaining because it's raining today, please gods stop the rain.
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It's a choice, when I want a more challenging time I do CGs in Open. It can be fun, it can be annoying. If I can't be bothered with all that and just want to play I change modes. The beauty of Elite.
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I understand all of what you're saying. The griefing is hard to understand just cuz I don't understand why people feel the need to grief. But I get the reason to avoid that. maybe I just happened to be influenced by what I have read lately by people stating they won't play open or refuse, that solo is the only way to go. They seemed to have such a distaste for open I wondered why that was or what had caused them to have that disdain.
As for me, would I prefer people in ope? Yes. I think it just opens up more possibilities of events to happen to me and other commanders. As for my play style, it's kind of all over the place. I have always played in open as a trader, combat, criminal activities you name it. Lately I have been doing NPC pirating and smuggling because I always wanted to be more of rogue in anarchy space controlled by Delaine. I don't really see a desire to pirate players.
One thing I had that was fun was when I had a 300k bounty from accidentally killing a security member while res hunting. Then I decided to try Rhea becuase I needed some quick cash, so I ran out there with cabins in my Clipper. I picked up a guy that was hunting my bounty, well could have been griefing but it was enjoyable dodging his interdictions and the one time he got me, my heart racing as I scrambled to get away.
The ability to meet more commanders out there in the bubble would be fun.
I like open PVP games and like Open in ED, but CG's in Open are really lame. You can see it's not a game designed by people doing PVP and they don't really understand how it works. Doing a server-wide event that requires all players to come to the same system, drop at the same star and slowboat to the same one station where you have to squish in into the same small slot? It's like designed for carnage.
PVP risk is fun, but this is just meh.
I know they want to see a lot of players in one place but this will never work in the Open PVP mode, even with super cops. They should at least make it so, that you can bring the commodities/bonds to any station where the faction that runs the CG has a presence and not ONE.
But coming back to topic. PVE servers are more popular than PVP servers... in most games. And this game has an even older demographic that enjoys relaxing space content. So yeah, pretty obvious for me.
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I would love to play in open if the game still made sense in the open. As a simulator of somewhat believable world. Regretfully, it is currently broken in open. It would be really fun to have some humans around, including dangerous criminals if they lived life real criminals do. That is were always under threat of law enforcement, afraid to appear in public places, etc. As is, playing in a world consisting mostly of psychos who think you gave them consent to kill you because you left your house - no, thanks.
stormyuk
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Anyone who tells you that is taking cobblers, equally anyone who says that about Open is talking the same cobblers.
For the same reason I use the ignore function at the slightest provocation in the forums here. Bluntly, "Hell is other people." in some settings, there is an expectation of likemindedness and pleasant interactions - like fans of the same band attending a gig and so on, but in almost every situation, other people are bad news.
You think that we should play in open, and if we don't, we are going against what the game means. Well, of course you do. That would mean there were more people for you to kill... and yes, we are going against what the game wants. because the game wants us to be cannon fodder for people who want to kill others, or turn into killers ourselves.
I love playing this game - I enjoy exploration, and had an absolutely brilliant time flying S&R missions in the last CG.. but I don't suspend my morality when I pull on my VR helmet... Open is a hideous environment. The Universe of Elite is a deeply unpleasant dystopia, and this is by design. The game authors reject a noble Star Trek version of humanity in space, and instead have built one where people behaving like the Reavers from Firefly are rewarded rather than punished. In that scenario, the most sane thing to do is simply avoid everyone.
I have had maybe one or two interactions with other humans in ED that have been surprisingly pleasant. The number of murder hobo encounters I have had outweighs that many, many times over, hence, I no longer play in open.
stormyuk
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This is just not true on PS4. Not sure what platform you are on but on PS4 while there are murderhobos it's generally pretty civilised. Long may that continue. Bottom line is always don't tell others how to play regardless of what mode you support. Where did Curvemn17 even suggest he wanted to kill you?
It’s not a direct distain for the game mode, but 0.5% of the population therein. The game mode itself, has fantastic potential.
Those (very few) knuckle draggers paint the rest of the mode, a soiled shade.
Those (very few) knuckle draggers paint the rest of the mode, a soiled shade.
Long may it continue for you! I play on PC, and this is my experience.
I see Curvemn17's advocating for Open the same as CMDR MayMo did - and, indeed, on the forums here, the loudest voices saying people should come into Open use comments about us being "afraid of the rebuy"...
I started in Open back when everyone was friendly and on an even footing. Later the griefers pulled way ahead of me, and I lost a ship or two to them when rebuys really hurt the wallet, so I joined Mobius. These days I have credits to spare, so I'm not as worried about griefers, yet Solo is still my predominate mode of play.
Why?
Performance. I often take a hit on framerate and various transition times when instancing with other people, and since the novelty of hollow icons has worn off, I just play Solo unless I'm specifically looking to wing up or do PvP (or want to watch people dock, which can be entertaining).
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stormyuk
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That's actually a great point and easily as you know my biggest bugbear with Elite Dangerous on the PS4. I so wish the networking was better.
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