Neil, can't help you there me ole mucker. All i can suggest is play the game as you normally would, so it saves you hunting for one, but when jumping into a system have a quick shufti at the Sys Map and look for Icy (White) ringed planet. System population, i am led to believe, leads to a better NPC experience in said Haz Res.
i7 8700K looking good!
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Neil, can't help you there me ole mucker. All i can suggest is play the game as you normally would, so it saves you hunting for one, but when jumping into a system have a quick shufti at the Sys Map and look for Icy (White) ringed planet. System population, i am led to believe, leads to a better NPC experience in said Haz Res.
If I am, we are so up a creak and I'm not bringing the paddle this time.
All I have is mostly opinions, and some personal testing that leads me to have this theory.
I have for instance recorded game play and CPU\GPU stats, surprisingly my cpu is running rather low mostly. 50%-60% utilisation per core.
But here is what I see in my recordings, I have high fps, and higher gpu use, I see a bump in cpu use, and FPS throttles to 45, GPU drops, CPU also drop a little but ASW doesn't disengage until CPU goes well below 45% on all cores.
I personally don't have the knowledge, skill and tool set to prove or disprove my theory.
It could be something not entirely CPU bound either, for instance I had a noticeable bump when I just upgraded RAM from 1600mhz to 2400mhz.
And a faster chipset would mean all parts communicate quicker and thus, less delay.
As for a specific place, just any resource site and after a few minutes I see my performance degrade in a more permanent manner, it will stay locked in ASW more and more until I leave.
There is absolutely no question the 4790k isn't a good cpu, and honestly I don't really think it is the cpu's problem, but rather FD's implementation.
Other VR games does not have these problems, Project cars 2 or Lone echo etch I have been able to crank settings and SS higher, with far less artefacting than in Elite.
It's to my limited knowledge that networking, and P2pP networking players in ED are handled, take a guess. On the cpu.
I can actually drive an SRV around the thargoid sites and have stable 90fps with my settings, but add one wingmate and it's locked to 45fps in the exact same area.
Now commanders who are docked and landed are treated as a bit of a special case, as in they are not moving, will not move and just sit in a static manner, their ship is possible treated like a static object locked to the station\pad and has nowhere near the same performance impact as a bunch of commanders 'in the wild'.
When there are half a dozen or so commanders in a station environment chances are most of them are sitting at a pad.
Anyhoo, I got my kit sitting on the kitchen table now, but I need to get some food.
I was also trying to refresh my USB win 10 install drive for later but for some reason that tool can't reach the server with the EULA on it, and refuses to continue.
(It pointed to a HEX error code and this was the only reply to it)
I have tried on two computers so far and same error.
The image on the drive should be fine though, albeit a few months old.
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the MCT just started working.
Guess someone kicked the server and fed the hamsters.
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I don't play the game anymore/at the moment... I don't mind flying to a known location to try my CPU/GPU usage, but I can't be bothered to fly around in the hope...
Any nearby settlement and res has yielded the same results as far as loads go.
Settlements stress GPU, and resource sites stress cpu after ten minutes or so.
Oh so that suggest a code issue then!?
Hard to say why exactly but Elite in my opinion likes fast core speed. In fact a lot of games thrive with high clocks. I have seen excellent performance with my upgrade I7 4770k 4.4Ghz DDR3 2400 to I7 8700k 5Ghz DDR4 3000. The 4770k just dragged in high res ext... and at certain points where the 8700k just plows through without even blinking. Same video card both cpus 1080ti.
Background simulation, Instanced zones, Game engine, peer to peer network, take your pick probably a combination of something.
Elite is unlike many games out there.
Indeed and why I am choosing Intel again and the i7 range instead of the i9 x series.
it give me a boost in cores and a boost in speed for all cores.
I'm going to put the thing together today.
Thanks guys, and indeed my own findings again from a monitor and rift session in ED, showed great improvements in smoother game play in these areas, allowing me to up my rift settings (Monitor settings already totally Maxed out to ULTRA Everything!).
I am not expert, other than what my eyes and brain tell me having upgraded to the 8700k + the 40% overclock
It's got significant coding issues after three years?
If your 4770 was having issues in a RES, that tells me there's a problem with the RES coding IMHO... Especially when earlier in the thread someone meantioned the problem occurs after time, as if a memory leak or something is occuring?
It's got significant coding issues after three years?
If your 4770 was having issues in a RES, that tells me there's a problem with the RES coding IMHO... Especially when earlier in the thread someone meantioned the problem occurs after time, as if a memory leak or something is occuring?
The memory leaks has mostly been sorted.
What I think is causing most of the slow down is AI code.
in RES they have to avoid collisions and fight for the most and add on extra physics from debris which honestly stay alive in the area for to long.
I can or even used to tell the difference of when my slf pilot was deployed or not on frame rate, or how trigger happy the spacewarp got.
yes absolutely the main issue is the coding.
you can either adjust settings, by new kit or quit all valid options.
Granted I most likely taken the least sensible option but I really hope I won't have to buy any new kit for at least the next three years, and I have more uses for it than just ED.
Regardless of ED.
And I doubt FD is going to fix it all until actually rewrite most of the game engine from scratch or to at least add support for dx12+.
I'm not holding my breath for that, I am just to addicted.
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Yeh, path finding would be a good candidate! Having written some myself, I can vouch how easy it is to disappear into a black hole of loops (& that was 2D path finding)!
But why the suggestion the problem seems to get worse over time? Or is that not the case?
ps: I am right in saying I for example could not upgrade my 4790 to a 8700? ie: It requires a new motherboard?
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Neil, can't answer the first bit of your post, but with regards to the MoBo requirement for the 8700k, It can only be run on the New Z370 chipset....Blame Intel. Even the MoBo manufactures where up in arms about this as us the consumers are asking why are you MoBo manufactures making us buy yet another new board, when it is Intel!!
If i did not hate AMD so damn i would likely be running a Threadripper setup now!
Yeh, seems a shame, but maybe there's a reason why a new chipset is required for it!?
But I bought the 4790 nigh on three years ago and it's still more expensive now than it was back then, and IMHO I've still not found a game that even pushes it significantly, so it's been an epic buy
I'm still keen to witness this CPU usage issue in ED, so if someone want to just say, try ________, I'll happily blow the dust off the game and give it some experimentation etc...
Yeh, seems a shame, but maybe there's a reason why a new chipset is required for it!?
But I bought the 4790 nigh on three years ago and it's still more expensive now than it was back then, and IMHO I've still not found a game that even pushes it significantly, so it's been an epic buy
I'm still keen to witness this CPU usage issue in ED, so if someone want to just say, try ________, I'll happily blow the dust off the game and give it some experimentation etc...
As it happens, i found a nice Ice ring Haz Res last night in Ltt 4487, just north of Shinrarta Dezhra (I know there is no North, but on the GM it is up!!) not sure what planet, but i think the Haz Res showed up on the Nav panel from jumping in on the Star, so less than a 1000Ls away from star. Word of warning, only outpost in system, so if you want to land then no big ships!
Cool... I'll take my Python along and just fly around it and see what happens...
Do you believe there's any issue with the excessive CPU usage and if a monitor or Oculus is being used?
I'm still rocking the i7 4770k... My previous CPU was the Pentium 4C 2.8GHz... I honestly think I struck timing gold with those two processors. My pentium is running a 128GB SSD @ 1TB HDD, Mint Linux Cinnamon with 3Gb RAM and an AGP NVIDIA 6800GT Winfast with 256MB RAM which I picked up for a song. It has aged very, very well (except the case which has turned a nasty shade of yellowy beige.)
My i7-4770k (OC@4.1GHz) is rocking 32GB RAM, dual 256Gb SSDs (from before the price went stupid) and a 1080TI. I think I got it just at the right time and I see absolutely no need to update it until single thread performance doubles and/or number of cores and performance double. This has seen me through a 780 -> SLI then a 970 -> SLI, then a 1080 and now a 1080TI and shows no sign of bottlenecking except on a heavily modded 25 tile map in Cities Skylines where it can get a bit chuggy with populations over 100k.
I'll be sticking with this for the foreseeable future.
My i7-4770k (OC@4.1GHz) is rocking 32GB RAM, dual 256Gb SSDs (from before the price went stupid) and a 1080TI. I think I got it just at the right time and I see absolutely no need to update it until single thread performance doubles and/or number of cores and performance double. This has seen me through a 780 -> SLI then a 970 -> SLI, then a 1080 and now a 1080TI and shows no sign of bottlenecking except on a heavily modded 25 tile map in Cities Skylines where it can get a bit chuggy with populations over 100k.
I'll be sticking with this for the foreseeable future.
Yes i7 4770k is a great cpu and it's great for vr also. The i7 8700k just out classes my old cpu. Higher clocks more cores 4 generations newer and it shows in the performance in VR (VIVE) and on my 4K monitor.
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Not even considered overclocking my 4790K, as more interested in super quiet/cool performance than a potential extra 10% CPU performance TBH...
Out of interest how do my temps compare to yours... Here's me sitting in Jameson station (my CPU/case fans don't even speed up till 50 degree is hit):-
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Looking good for a station. I'm using an Corsair H110 water block. I've set my fans to come on at 40. My CPU sits at about 45 in a station and the fans are slightly above idle.
I have a rather mediocre medium tower Corsair case.
I just OC'd the thing because of Cities Skylines... 3.5GHz → 4.1GHz gives a decent 15-20% boost to frame rates since that program is heavily CPU bound.