The adder speed has a nerf-cap at 674m/s .

As an adder lover, I took it upon my self to supercharge the adder (previous discussion now locked?)

So I took my adder out to combat the thargoids, 3 (or was it 4) rebuys later, me and my wing killed a goid. I did so much heavy lifting, but it's first time I was with a 'Goid fight until the bitter end, although my sacrafice to take out the final swarm meant i missed the killed blow, but my wing let me keep the heart for my troubles.

Basically it was my smugglers build, but with military armour, class3A shields, and a AX flak cannon.

My idea was to fly after the swarm, keep up, and deliver some damage, so the bigger ships could stay ontop of the cyclops itself.


In my smugglers build I have top boost speed 674m/s and unladened FSD range of 39lys, but I was sure I've seen it go faster in previous builds of the game.
But I started to learn a few tricks.
So I tanked out my adder as best as I could, and the speed had dropped off (naturally) so my boost was around about 540m/s with 3 weapons and full shields, military armour.

FSD's and fuel tanks are not needed if you aren't going to leave the system.

Class1 fuel, and class 2d fsd, (not to mentioned a mass reduced sensor package). I'm used to fiddling with the fuel capacity but never the FSD.
and OMG that made a world of difference, the speed increased, then I could "tank out" my Adder and still maintain the thrust.

But as I fiddled with my mass, and started to empty the ship of weight and add it back on, i noticed there became an upper level with how fast she could travel.
I could watch my FSD range increase, as I shed weight, but my Thruster boost REFUSED to increase past 674m/s
Infact there became a threshold where I had 674 boost speed, and I could add and remove things like BOTH my class 1 weapons,(fsd range fluctuating with the mass change) but not the Thrusters.

So there is a ceiling, a cap to how fast FDev are willing to take the adder,

Now I understand the iCourier is lightly armoured but can deliver a bigger payload. (pro's and cons, and my first outing with the iCourier to take on the swarm left me rebuying like crazy)
An eagle is faster still but with limited armour and weapons. (pro's and cons)
We've all seen determined shieldless sidewinders with OP'ed Railguns who can take on big ships like an anaconda and keep out of weapons range.

Imagine the gamebreaking horror to have a shieldess adder, since she is one of the most heavily armoured small ships, with 3 rail-guns and could boost well over 700m/s.
 
Once you are below certain weight limits (Based on thruster setup/engineering) you don't get any further speed increase. It's the same for all ships not just the adder.

on a side note I'm interested in the adder again and would love some fitting/eng idea to make it somewhat useful if you have them :)
 
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Check the engine profile: https://eddp.co/u/dtu6ksCr

There is always a plateau. And with over 666 m/s boost you've got a good one.

This also means you've got a certain amount of free mass that doesn't lower your speed.
 
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As other people have said, mass reduction below the minimal mass of your thrusters doesn't give you more speed gains. The Adder's actual hard cap on boost speed with current engineering is 727m/s.
 
Imagine the gamebreaking horror to have a shieldess adder, since she is one of the most heavily armoured small ships, with 3 rail-guns and could boost well over 700m/s.



LOL... "Adder" and "Heavily armored" in one sentence. Aren't those the pesky wingman ships you ignore in hazres, that behave like popcorn once you finally point any weapon at them after taking care of the real ship?
:D

"Under attack" "targetting" pew-pew-pew "Ship Destroyed" <300cr bounty received>
 
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I didn't know about the roof caps on all ships.

A few years down the line and this game still teaches you something new.

727 m/s, I'd like to see that ;)

Hitting the docking ring at 450 m/s under full thruster control is a little harrowing at times.
 
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How are you getting these boost speeds? Obviously, the "Best" on coriolis is not populating the actual best values for engineering mods. I don't see the adder going over 467m/s there, so what are the actual "best" numbers possible for the G5DD tuning?

Edit

Ok, so I didn't know that "Enhanced Performance" 2A & 3A thrusters were a thing, so that accounts for about 200m/s of the difference.
 
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How are you getting these boost speeds? Obviously, the "Best" on coriolis is not populating the actual best values for engineering mods. I don't see the adder going over 467m/s there, so what are the actual "best" numbers possible for the G5DD tuning?

Edit

Ok, so I didn't know that "Enhanced Performance" 2A & 3A thrusters were a thing, so that accounts for about 200m/s of the difference.

Indeed, they are faster but very sensitive to mass.

edit: 727 would be a maximum DD5 primary roll in Optimal Multiplier with an additional 12% increase from the secondary roll. I've seen this hardcap quoted a few times but only by players, I'm not sure if there is a definitive source on maximum secondaries.
 
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For any ship capable of using enhanced performance thrusters, I find them to be much faster than regular thrusters in practice – even with the further optimal mass reductions from DD5.

Both the Adder and the iCourier (that have the same hull mass) can reach 50% of optimal mass (i.e., the point where decreasing weight no longer increases speed) with DD5 enhanced performance thrusters, even with full shield and weapons loadout (given lightweight-modded weapons and modules). At the same mass, the iCourier is considerably faster than the Adder with the same thrusters (which seems strange, but that is how the game works).

The iEagle can be faster still, but its heavier hull means the loadout must be rather minimal to reach that maximum speed. So the iCourier is probably the fastest ship when fully outfitted.
 

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LOL... "Adder" and "Heavily armored" in one sentence. Aren't those the pesky wingman ships you ignore in hazres, that behave like popcorn once you finally point any weapon at them after taking care of the real ship?
:D

"Under attack" "targetting" pew-pew-pew "Ship Destroyed" <300cr bounty received>

I made a Corvette combat log once using an adder.

Admitedly, there were 4 of us in the beasties.....
 
I just pulled the dust cover off my Adder as well recently.
But not for fighting, but rather what it was built for - heading down to planets, scanning data points and picking up goodies.

3 CIF, 4 tons of Taaffite and 3 chucks of polonium later, I put it back in the hanger until next time.
 
Indeed, they are faster but very sensitive to mass.

edit: 727 would be a maximum DD5 primary roll in Optimal Multiplier with an additional 12% increase from the secondary roll. I've seen this hardcap quoted a few times but only by players, I'm not sure if there is a definitive source on maximum secondaries.
Is that figure from Coriolis? Please correct me if I'm wrong but I think the max optimal multiplier for enhanced thrusters is ~157%, which is the starting 115% plus the ~42% achievable on standard thrusters. I think Coriolis multiplies rather than adds. If I'm right it would mean the max speed of an Adder would be close to 700.
(This is based on a ridiculous number of DD5 Enhanced Drive rolls giving 1 drive with 157% and 1 with 156% and Coriolis showing ~163% needed for an adder to do 727. Maybe after all that effort I've never gotten a true god roll :eek:)

For any ship capable of using enhanced performance thrusters, I find them to be much faster than regular thrusters in practice – even with the further optimal mass reductions from DD5.

Both the Adder and the iCourier (that have the same hull mass) can reach 50% of optimal mass (i.e., the point where decreasing weight no longer increases speed) with DD5 enhanced performance thrusters, even with full shield and weapons loadout (given lightweight-modded weapons and modules). At the same mass, the iCourier is considerably faster than the Adder with the same thrusters (which seems strange, but that is how the game works).

The iEagle can be faster still, but its heavier hull means the loadout must be rather minimal to reach that maximum speed. So the iCourier is probably the fastest ship when fully outfitted.
iCourier for the win [up] Love that ship.

I made a Corvette combat log once using an adder.

Admitedly, there were 4 of us in the beasties.....
o7 :)
 

Goose4291

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Is that figure from Coriolis? Please correct me if I'm wrong but I think the max optimal multiplier for enhanced thrusters is ~157%, which is the starting 115% plus the ~42% achievable on standard thrusters. I think Coriolis multiplies rather than adds. If I'm right it would mean the max speed of an Adder would be close to 700.
(This is based on a ridiculous number of DD5 Enhanced Drive rolls giving 1 drive with 157% and 1 with 156% and Coriolis showing ~163% needed for an adder to do 727. Maybe after all that effort I've never gotten a true god roll :eek:)

iCourier for the win [up] Love that ship.


o7 :)

Steed!

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How you doing old chap?
 
Is that figure from Coriolis? Please correct me if I'm wrong but I think the max optimal multiplier for enhanced thrusters is ~157%, which is the starting 115% plus the ~42% achievable on standard thrusters. I think Coriolis multiplies rather than adds. If I'm right it would mean the max speed of an Adder would be close to 700.
(This is based on a ridiculous number of DD5 Enhanced Drive rolls giving 1 drive with 157% and 1 with 156% and Coriolis showing ~163% needed for an adder to do 727. Maybe after all that effort I've never gotten a true god roll :eek:)

163% to do 727 is correct. I tried searching out the screenshot just now (not my own, ofc) and I did find it, courtesy of CMDR fruitbat. However, I actually did make a mistake as his roll was on 42.4% (on normal drives) which actually makes for 164% or 729m/s in an Adder with Enh. Perf. Thrusters:

UkSy5a.jpg


My own personal best is 153% on my iCourier. I'm sad now :(
 
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163% to do 727 is correct. I tried searching out the screenshot just now (not my own, ofc) and I did find it, courtesy of CMDR fruitbat. However, I actually did make a mistake as his roll was on 42.4% (on normal drives) which actually makes for 164% or 729m/s in an Adder with Enh. Perf. Thrusters:

https://i.cubeupload.com/UkSy5a.jpg

My own personal best is 153% on my iCourier. I'm sad now :(

I did enjoy rolling that!

Its kinda sad that It's pretty much certain I'll never be able to do that for my courier as well. I have tried...
 
I did enjoy rolling that!

Its kinda sad that It's pretty much certain I'll never be able to do that for my courier as well. I have tried...
It's some roll o7
If you ever leave the game can I has it ;)

(and are you always summoned when your name gets mentioned ... :) )

163% to do 727 is correct. I tried searching out the screenshot just now (not my own, ofc) and I did find it, courtesy of CMDR fruitbat. However, I actually did make a mistake as his roll was on 42.4% (on normal drives) which actually makes for 164% or 729m/s in an Adder with Enh. Perf. Thrusters:

https://i.cubeupload.com/UkSy5a.jpg

My own personal best is 153% on my iCourier. I'm sad now :(
I honestly thought I'd gotten close to the maximum, I really haven't :(

Someone linked this build on reddit, in my dreams. Got a lot of rolls in hand but don't think I could face the disappointment of not getting something close.

https://coriolis.edcd.io/outfit/imperial_courier?code=A0p5tzF3l3dds8f11s1s1s07070707B42t01--24.AwRj4zTYg%3D%3D%3D.CwRgDG4dMVxA.H4sIAAAAAAAAA23Qu0oDURAG4Mll4ya7m9U1iUcwrjGroJXYpRAbQRARS0ttba20Eyx8BEuxySOIhZWVNmn0BSytvIC3JOf3HyFhBZsfDvMxM2cydlVE%2BhlGrT4iErb6gGtyIsjampYcRnVvVKR50xAxbb7D5S5QeaKEY1sDVIoDkVmNeY3i4zfQ2KacMz1K1%2B4MZM9nOKfjIoVbI5J%2FeAfMCXndt0BzZovTi%2F%2Fys4j8WPlC9w8vpXhuyK898oMPYCLgD81veemTy3h2fcDNXVnEs3mRsUtGohGufAHx4jQb%2BymZrVAGBUqNRCPc5x7REbsjSMkpl7KjPTUSjfCcg%2BMX3hTllFzjnt6G9uw4KvW8F7piaDeHaPeN9z7kvaPJZ1auXoHqPQvADyPF0BDAAQAA&bn=The%20Boomstick

Difficult year getting much better so I'm good thanks, you? Who, and when, you flying with these days?
 
It's some roll o7
If you ever leave the game can I has it ;)

(and are you always summoned when your name gets mentioned ... :) )

Yep, I'm like bettlejuice.

Seriously though, ive probably done around 600 dd5 rolls, have that one you have seen, a 40.7, 39.8, two 38's and several 37's.

If you take a 100 rolls with you, you would be unlucky not to get 37/38.

39 plus requires good fortune.
 
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