Partially Discovered/Explored Systems

Verson Geterix

Verson Geterix
Hello Fellow Explorers,

I'm on only my second exploration expedition and three questions have come to mind which I'd like to clarify with you experts.

1) On entering a system I typically (at the moment anyway) find that most of the bodies are attributed (first discovered by) another explorer. But only some of them. And this is what I don't get. If the first explorer arrived in the system and honked, how is it that all the bodies are are not attributed to him/her? Typically I see it's always the furthest bodies that are not attributed or bodies that are orbiting a body that he/she discovered. The only guess I can make is that he/she had a BDS rather than an ADS and so it was a range thing. Is that it?

2) On entering a system, and honking, can I be certain that there are no more bodies further out than my ADS can detect? Or is there any milage (no pun intended) in my cruising to the edges of the system?

3) I am making detailed surface scans of all bodies I encounter. Even the ones already attributed to previous explorers. Is this a waste of time?

Looking forward to reading your advice.

Regards
 
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Strangepork

Strangepork
Verson Geterix said:
Hello Fellow Explorers,

I'm on only my second exploration expedition and three questions have come to mind which I'd like to clarify with you experts.

1) On entering a system I typically (at the moment anyway) find that most of the bodies are attributed (first discovered by) another explorer. But only some of them. And this is what I don't get. If the first explorer arrived in the system and honked, how is it that all the bodies are are not attributed to him/her? Typically I see it's always the furthest bodies that are not attributed or bodies that are orbiting a body that he/she discovered. The only guess I can make is that he/she had a BDS rather than an ADS and so it was a range thing. Is that it?

2) On entering a system, and honking, can I be certain that there are no more bodies further out than my ADS can detect? Or is there any milage (no pun intended) in my cruising to the edges of the system?

3) I am making detailed surface scans of all bodies I encounter. Even the ones already attributed to previous explorers. Is this a waste of time?

Looking forward to reading your advice.

Regards
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1st discovery requires a close up scan of the body not a honk, also a detailed surface scanner.

An advanced discovery scanner has unlimited distance in a system.

Its worth scanning in detail certain bodies even if you are not 1st discoverer.

For cash,

Earthlikes
Water worlds
Teraformable planets and ammonia worlds
Gas giants with water based slime.

Have fun.
 
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Skip Rockbounder

Skip Rockbounder
When you arrive in the system and honk... all you get is the info of the occupied orbits and a rough idea of what's there, only when you do a surface scan will you have your name taged to that body (provided you're the first to discover it)

I think, In the early days a shed load of would be explorers were trying to get to grips with the way things worked Honking with the cheap unit and then with the mediocre one (sorry I don't have the names of the units to hand and it doesn't really matter) which will show in some cases most of the system but not all, the Best one does the whole lot...every time and there would be players scurrying back and forth with snippits of info and occasionally tripping over each other scanning inside what we now know as the bubble, also sometimes groups might scan bits of one system giving many different players first claims on bodies in one system.
then there are the Glory hunters that only want to 'waste time' on ELW's, WW's and Ammonia worlds for a pile of cash...
Then there's other guys that want to explore the whole lot and some that haven't even come back from the first trip years ago.

Scanning someone else's discoveries: this is a benefit for you now because if you scan an ELW for example that's already been done you'll still get some 600k, that's probably much more that the first guy got... and it ll counts with your rep!

Personally I only scan the lot or none at all, as in, if I'm passing through I leave it all for someone else, occasionally I might finish off a system that someone else has started and left, but, with the exception of maybe the early days when I was learning the ropes I take it all... and I like to have a drive round (where possible) in every system I'm first with.

Good luck out there There's a shed load of fantastic sights to see and post up about![up]

John willy Ninja'd me :)
 
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iain666

iain666
Verson Geterix said:
3) I am making detailed surface scans of all bodies I encounter. Even the ones already attributed to previous explorers. Is this a waste of time?
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If you're having fun doing it then you're not wasting time. If you want to move faster than about 1,500ly/week then you might decide to become more selective in the future but it's up to you - it's all generating credits assuming you get back in one piece to sell the data.

john willi said:
1st discovery requires a close up scan of the body not a honk, also a detailed surface scanner.
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Scanning the body is required for a first discovery bonus/tag. Doing it with a DSS is not necessary, you can still get the tag without. (You do get about half the UC payout and therefore half the bonus that way, but you do get the tag).
 

Sapyx

Sapyx
On the third question, whether one scans every single object in a system or just the "interesting" things is a matter for personal taste. There is no "right way" or "wrong way" to do it.

Some self-confessed OCD sufferers can't stand leaving an Unexplored planet behind and "gotta catch em all". Some explorers seeking to attain maximum credits (or maximum Exploration ratings points) in the minimum time will only scan the known valuables (ELWs and Ammonia worlds) and even then they may not venture over 100,000 Ls out to a secondary star with an ELW around it. Some stop to scan the primary star, others do not (I have found at least one ELW where the ELW was previously scanned, but the star was not); Anaconda explorers are notorious for only scanning things that their slow, cumbersome ships just happen to be already pointing at. Some explorers just scan planets more or less at random, or even like to play little games with those who come after them (I found one system where all the inner planets had been already Tagged, but not the primary star nor an ELW in the system - I can only assume that that was deliberate; now, anybody else visiting that system will believe that I was first to arrive and had cherry-picked the ELW and nothing else).

There's also immediate personal needs to consider. Imagine an explorer urgently seeking specific synthesis materials (for extra jumponium if they've run out, or to restock their AMFUs for emergency repairs). These people will scan landable after landable until they find what they need, often bypassing other more valuable planets in the process. In such a system you might find the waterworlds and HMCs skipped over, but all the (landable) ice moons scanned.

Personally, I've got a billion credits in the bank and already have Elite status in exploration, so I'm exploring purely for the fun. And for the glory of having my name Tagged on ELWs and other interesting places throughout the galaxy.

Whenever I explore, I deliberately try to leave some semi-valuable planets Untagged. That way, if anybody else comes along after me, they can (if they wish) say "Yeah, that Sapyx guy was here first, but I was here second". I will likewise try to Tag at least one object in a system that is already partially Tagged, even if it's just a worthless iceball I wouldn't normally bother scanning. I think a system that has a dozen or more CMDR names claiming different Tags would be an interesting piece of history, a permanent record of the CMDRs who passed that way.
 
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Jackie Silver

Jackie Silver
I'm doing it for the science, so what I scan will usually be dictated by that. In addition I'll always scan Earthlike worlds, and sometimes for pure devilment I'll scan (for example) the second-to-last icy moon in an otherwise untouched system.
 

disorganise

disorganise
Jackie Silver said:
sometimes for pure devilment I'll scan (for example) the second-to-last icy moon in an otherwise untouched system.
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This :)

I'll generally scan ELW and AW and when do that I scan the star too for the science folks. I *usually* scan water world's but not always.
When I'm not in a hurry I'll scan the star and anything in the habitable zone.

And sometimes I'll scan a moon.....400k ls away so I can imagine someone following asking 'what the?' (or worse)

And in between I just scan the 1st body. No rules really.
 

Skip Rockbounder

Skip Rockbounder
Obsessive Compulsive Disorder!

Sapyx said:
On the third question, whether one scans every single object in a system or just the "interesting" things is a matter for personal taste. There is no "right way" or "wrong way" to do it.

Some self-confessed OCD sufferers can't stand leaving an Unexplored planet behind and "gotta catch em all".
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Having worked in the Mental Health Industry for a decade I feel it right to say that this damming prognosis of Obsessive Compulsive Disorder should be ignored as clap-trap unless Dr Sapyx has met the subject and has a personal study record

The correct term is in fact meticulous
 

Cpt Shadow Wolfe

Cpt Shadow Wolfe
I am one with OCD thing, if it is undiscovered, I will go scan it, no matter how far away it is, I currently have 49200 first discoveries logged, but am still inputting data from my last batch, about another 2000 or so, and that's not counting the 1200 potentials I have gathered on this leg, probably will have over 10k potential first discoveries before I find a dock again, going for a record, the most first discoveries I ever got in one trip was bout 7000, but on the way to Beagle so will have many more than that I'm sure. I don't bother too much with the objects that are already tagged, I am already Elite in exploration on both accounts, and ain't hurting for cash on either account, so its not a money thing, although it is nice, its the locating of exotic systems, and to be the first to find it is always nice. I have already discovered a system with 94 objects in it, all first discoveries, took me over an hour to scan all of it, now I am looking for one that exceeds that number, have come across one that had more, but was partially already found, so that don't count for me, has to be a 'Virgin' system.
 

Major Klutz

Major Klutz
I generally only scan the bodies that are interesting or worth scanning.
If I scan anything, I will always scan the primary star and then the landables, ELWs, WWs, AWs.
I never bother with ice balls in far out orbits. They are not worth enough for the time needed to scan them, and nobody is ever gonna look at them again anyway.

Sometimes if it's an interesting system as a whole, and I'm have time to kill, I'll go ahead and scan everything. Most of the time I cherry pick because I don't have the time to scan everything in every system I pass through.
If I did that, I'd never get where I'm going.
 

Skip Rockbounder

Skip Rockbounder
Cpt Shadow Wolfe said:
I am one with OCD thing, if it is undiscovered, I will go scan it, no matter how far away it is, I currently have 49200 first discoveries logged, but am still inputting data from my last batch, about another 2000 or so, and that's not counting the 1200 potentials I have gathered on this leg, probably will have over 10k potential first discoveries before I find a dock again, going for a record, the most first discoveries I ever got in one trip was bout 7000, but on the way to Beagle so will have many more than that I'm sure. I don't bother too much with the objects that are already tagged, I am already Elite in exploration on both accounts, and ain't hurting for cash on either account, so its not a money thing, although it is nice, its the locating of exotic systems, and to be the first to find it is always nice. I have already discovered a system with 94 objects in it, all first discoveries, took me over an hour to scan all of it, now I am looking for one that exceeds that number, have come across one that had more, but was partially already found, so that don't count for me, has to be a 'Virgin' system.
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94, wow, I've seen an 87 but that was somebody else's, I think the most bodies in a system discovered by me is in the 70's
Those other figures are impressive too, I don't have a clue about what numbers I have regarding specific bodies but it's nowhere near your numbers.[up]
 

Orvidius

Orvidius
Skip Rockbounder said:
Having worked in the Mental Health Industry for a decade I feel it right to say that this damming prognosis of Obsessive Compulsive Disorder should be ignored as clap-trap unless Dr Sapyx has met the subject and has a personal study record

The correct term is in fact meticulous
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Yeah, "OCD" has become a colloquialism, right or wrong. I've been guilty of using it that way before, and I'm trying to fix that. Thanks for the reminder.
 

marx

marx
Well, everybody knows that true real proper explorers scan every body in a system because they aren't lazy, and leave some unscanned for others, because they aren't greedy.

Joking aside, personally I'd recommend fully scanning only the most interesting systems you come across. You might want to have that data later. For example, to construct an orrery with Elite Galaxy Online.
 

Straha Yeagar

S
Orvidius said:
Yeah, "OCD" has become a colloquialism, right or wrong. I've been guilty of using it that way before, and I'm trying to fix that. Thanks for the reminder.
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Sort of like the ease with which the term Narcissist is thrown about. Anyone who has been in a relationship with a true, diagnosed Narc knows that it is a living hell that most other people can't even imagine in their worst nightmares...not something to be casually laid out there, that all too often is.
 

Cpt Shadow Wolfe

Cpt Shadow Wolfe
Skip Rockbounder said:
94, wow, I've seen an 87 but that was somebody else's, I think the most bodies in a system discovered by me is in the 70's
Those other figures are impressive too, I don't have a clue about what numbers I have regarding specific bodies but it's nowhere near your numbers.[up]
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My first exploration trip to the 'black', went to Barnards Loop via the Witchhead Nebula, was in an Orca before the big jump increase, got to Witchhead, and couldn't go any further, the distance between the stars was a lot greater then the ship had at the time, around 26 or so, and I didn't want to have to find another way, so just went back to the bubble, got in my AspX and went all the way to Barnards and back, the whole trip was to locate my first first discovery, did not find a single one in the several hundred systems that I jumped through until I was about 600 Lys from home, then I found 2 systems that somebody left 10 ice balls in, so that first trip made an impression and those were my very first, I started keeping track of all my first discoveries from that point on. I developed a spreadsheet program that tracks every system and every object, so I know where they all are, cept when the spreadsheet crashed and I lost 11835 first discoveries at that time. I had to rebuild the whole spreadsheet, took me months going back through every system and reverifying the first discoveries, and I was able to find all but 202 of that batch of lost first discoveries, which were pre 2.4 update where it shows "visited" systems, so I know they are still out there and will take the time someday to see if I can locate that trip,

So now, I take a screen shot of every first discovery with my name on it, and then convert it to jpg format, saves on space, and I save them in 2 places. Currently have over 12 Gbs of screenshots. Then put the pertinent data into the spreadsheet so I can keep count of how many of the different types of objects I have found, for instance I have over 16k icy rocks, only 22 earth likes, 35 Black Holes. I have my name listed in just over 4400 different systems. And it takes time to do all this, but that is what I do while out exploring, while travelling between the different objects, I am taking screenshots of all the potential first discoveries from the last turn in, then renaming all the screenshots and putting them into the spreadsheet. Have about 200 folders left to do from the last turn in, so will keep me busy for awhile. Will be done long before I reach Beagle though.
 

Redfox

Redfox
Cpt Shadow Wolfe said:
I take a screen shot of every first discovery with my name on it, and then convert it to jpg format, saves on space, and I save them in 2 places. Currently have over 12 Gbs of screenshots. Then put the pertinent data into the spreadsheet so I can keep count of how many of the different types of objects I have found,
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renaming all the screenshots and putting them into the spreadsheet.
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Sry for off-topic, but: Respect, from a fellow spreadsheeter :) One thing you could (if interested) save time on though is on the converting and renaming: EDDiscovery can automatically convert any screenshot you take and name it to you liking with timestamp, system name and some other options. This means more time for spreadsheets ;)
 
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