Ok, so take me down that road. How long had it been with no hostilities? I'm actually not knowledgeable about this part. But how many years since an encounter let alone a hostile one.
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Ok, so take me down that road. How long had it been with no hostilities? I'm actually not knowledgeable about this part. But how many years since an encounter let alone a hostile one.
Goose4291
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I'll give you the abridged version, as far as the current lore stands.
Under the current timeline we were at war with the 'goids circa 3125. Mycoid is deployed in 3151, destroying them (temporarily, it now seems) as a spacegoing power. Without their FTL capabilities they were unable to continue the fight.
The moment they got their FTL capability back, which is sometime prior to 3300, they were back to their human dissecting ways (as we saw in Mostly Harmless), sending out probes to see what we were up to. From there, it was only a.matter of time before they would be back to full.scale attacks.
Goose4291
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Its referenced in mostly harmless, which is set in 3300. The main characters 'employer' from the midway point is described as being in their 40s/50s and the sole survivor of a thargoid attack on a research outpost his parents worked on, where he saw them tearing apart his parents in a manner similar to dissection (whilst they were alive).
Hmmm well that is for sure no bueno. I will say that, while that is not a good situation it is by no means any indication of a larger Thargoid interest in behaving similarly. In fact I would say the lack of similar reports from others actually goes in their favor.
And the time lines sound rather long to just assume hostilities even if there was no conclusion to the war.
And the time lines sound rather long to just assume hostilities even if there was no conclusion to the war.
This from a species that engages in corporate mass murder, assassination, piracy, enslaves its own species, and regularly preys upon weaker citizens just getting their start in space. Hooray for humanity. It won't be long before you see some human wings fighting along side the bugs. Things could and should get more morally obscure-- interesting. The Thargoids just might have a point.
Lol Humans are a nasty lot. Not all of them, but I am wary of groups of humans...
See, if a German can laugh at it's countries past actions, why is it others take things far too seriously.
Goose4291
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What do you think they're doing with all the escape pods they're abducting?
I have no idea. What do you think they think we were doing taking all the artifacts and probes?
If the Thargoid we see in game were actively hostile to humanity, they would, well, be actively hostile.
Instead, I can pop into any number of non-human signal sources and the Thargoid will come over, scan me, and then just ignore me.
Given the relative power imbalance we've been told of, the human death toll would be far, far higher well.
The reality is, we do not know what the Thargoids consider hostile to them. We only know what we consider hostile to us. We can't assume they have a human mind and the two understandings of hostility are comparable.
We see ships, megaships, and stations attacked by them, yes. We do not know why they attacked. So it's incorrect to assume that we therefore do know, and the answer is malice - there are also many un-attacked ships, megaships, and stations, even in the Pleiades.
People who claim the Thargoids are hostile to humanity ignore some very simple facts: A Thargoid will come up to my ship, scan it, and leave. I am a human. That was not hostile. The logical conclusion is Thargoids are not hostile to all humans.
We should be focusing our efforts to determine what the trigger point is that makes them hostile. The only triggers that turn them hostile that I've observed are hostility, carrying their tech and not releasing it (and the period between "carrying" and "not releasing" reaffirms their non-hostile intent), and carrying Guardian tech.
This implies they are apparently hostile in reaction to hostility, theft/kidnapping/dissection (depending how they define us taking their artifacts), and Guardians. Not "humans" in a general sense, but "humans who do these things".
Instead, I can pop into any number of non-human signal sources and the Thargoid will come over, scan me, and then just ignore me.
Given the relative power imbalance we've been told of, the human death toll would be far, far higher well.
The reality is, we do not know what the Thargoids consider hostile to them. We only know what we consider hostile to us. We can't assume they have a human mind and the two understandings of hostility are comparable.
We see ships, megaships, and stations attacked by them, yes. We do not know why they attacked. So it's incorrect to assume that we therefore do know, and the answer is malice - there are also many un-attacked ships, megaships, and stations, even in the Pleiades.
People who claim the Thargoids are hostile to humanity ignore some very simple facts: A Thargoid will come up to my ship, scan it, and leave. I am a human. That was not hostile. The logical conclusion is Thargoids are not hostile to all humans.
We should be focusing our efforts to determine what the trigger point is that makes them hostile. The only triggers that turn them hostile that I've observed are hostility, carrying their tech and not releasing it (and the period between "carrying" and "not releasing" reaffirms their non-hostile intent), and carrying Guardian tech.
This implies they are apparently hostile in reaction to hostility, theft/kidnapping/dissection (depending how they define us taking their artifacts), and Guardians. Not "humans" in a general sense, but "humans who do these things".
It was rather a smirk than a laugh I felt when I wrote that (dark humour with a bit of irony, something like that).
I guess being English, I find things funnier than they might be to others, but, and yes I'm stereotyping, I don't often expect the German to be the jokey one.
I'm just glad someone else is like me and decides not to take things too seriously. Too many serious people in the world nowadays.
Way to take a point of not knowing the hearts and minds of people and then hijack it with a broad brush for what I can only assume is a jab at the United States.
Do you realize the entire Hemisphere consits of The America's?
While I'm at it can you please inform me of the enlightened country from which you hail?
I'll just leave this here. I'm not sure I'm tracking you.
I know what you mean, but sometimes stereotypes can be true. For example I never met an englishman who did not have a sense of humour, while there are indeed many people found around here who seem to not have any. Sometimes it makes me wonder, do you folks learn that in school (reading, writing, mathematics, joking)?
Also I think, just because you can see a funny side of something does not necessarily mean you don't take it seriously in general.
Not to stray too far off topic, but I just took the "America"-bit to be a nod to the fact that Americans (I'm a US citizen, and I assume you are too, or at least are working towards being, based on your name) are in the most decisive position of all on this planet right now, being a pretty heavily militarized global superpower. For better or worse, we have a huge sway over the future of the planet. Given that significantly-greater-than-standard power, there's an extra duty to wield it responsibly - an irresponsible 21st century United States can cause a lot more damage than an irresponsible 21st century Luxembourg, for instance - and ensure those here in decisive positions are the right one to be sitting at those levers. With that in mind, I don't think it's a jab at the US specifically - we just happen to be the major power at this time - the direction is not at the US, it's at power, and we just happen to be the most significant wielders of such power right now.
Additionally, it's drawing a connecting line between the tendency of those in-game to see threat rather than seek understanding, and those who seem to do the same in the real world. I've been thinking much the same, watching this all unfold in game (not even to mention reality...). The parallels to me are kind of fascinating.
So I don't really blame a non-US citizen if they seem to be a little morose and harder on the US - because we're the current global superpower, we wield a very outsized global influence, and at times it has to be frustrating to live in that shadow where, as a non-citizen, they don't really have much of an influence over the actions of the superpower. It's like an adult, raised in the understanding they were part of a global community and a citizen of a democratic nation, being reverted to a child-like role where someone else dictates everything and you're just along for the ride. That seems like a perfect recipe for some heavy existential despair, and I'm sure that despair exists at some level regardless of who specifically is in political power at whatever specific nation is most powerful at the time. So it's not specifically about us, our country, or our political leaders - it's about the lack of self-determination - we just happen the be in the power-seat right now, so our actions can have the most influence at magnifying of lessening those feelings.
/tried really hard not to veer into direct politics
I think it's just been passed down generation after generation. I got my humour from my dad, and he got it from my nan, or at least that version of humour. My sister definitely takes after my mum in the sense of humour department.
And yes, I get that you can still care AND have a sense of humour, but I'm more saying, and maybe I notice more coming from a country renowned for humour, that less and less people in my country are as jokey as our ancestors, or at the very least, are afraid to make a joke in case it offends somebody. Humour is slowly being thrown away in the name of "decency". It scares me because, and again, being English might be a factor, I find, if you can't laugh at something, then all you have is either sadness and anger, and having just those emotions, isn't very healthy, at least in my opinion.
Now, time to make a fart joke.....
I trust AEGIS as far as I can throw them and all their stations...
And I also love the controversy between the content that is offered and the ambivalence. I mean, we all know governments are corrupt, and suddenly, when there's a non-human threat, we are supposed to trust them to do the right thing? I think not.
For all I know AEGIS and the Superpowers could be resonsible for any trouble we so far had with the Thargoids and since they are such sweethearts I also think it's totally possible that the bait and provoke them on purpose to attack their stations to show the rest of humanity how bad those mean xenos are... AEGIS stinks. A lot.
And I also love the controversy between the content that is offered and the ambivalence. I mean, we all know governments are corrupt, and suddenly, when there's a non-human threat, we are supposed to trust them to do the right thing? I think not.
For all I know AEGIS and the Superpowers could be resonsible for any trouble we so far had with the Thargoids and since they are such sweethearts I also think it's totally possible that the bait and provoke them on purpose to attack their stations to show the rest of humanity how bad those mean xenos are... AEGIS stinks. A lot.