We give up...
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There has been new clues since the guardian discovery ?
I tried hacking at them for weeks to no avail upon discovery, but if there has been new clues that I missed since, I'm all ears
By ram tah files you mean the history/tech/social snipets you get from the obelisks right ?
If so, while there are possibly clues but IMO most are pure fluff.
Take the obelisk patern sequence :
1) there is no repetition in the cycle => frequency analysis is useless.
2) the number of triangles (36) is way to low to form any meaningfull pictogram (as suggested by ram tah files)
3) AND/NOT/XORing the relic pilar partial patterns lead to nothing usefull
4) the relic pattern itself seems to match nothing of note in the sequence
Obscure elliptic clues like the Formidine ones make for unsolvable puzzles (like Formidine was, it was only solved by FD adding beacons with encrypted messages).
The best puzzles so far where the Unknown artifact & Probe.
I'm convinced there is a puzzle in them, but it is beyond our standard comprehension. The Ram Tah clues themselves point at specific thing that make sense when you analyze the numbers.
While there is no repetition in the cycle. Every glyph unit also activates only once. Which goes to some measure of thought process for something that is just supposed to be for aesthetics.
Also if you devide each glyph and make them into six equal triangles, none of them go back to their full status again except two.
All of these 6 sections also go full on in their active glyph units at some point in their cycle.
No. I don't believe it is fluff. Unfortunately we have too many players who believe it is so, and I just won't be able to solve it alone or with a handful of others who are still making attempts at deciphering the glyphs.
I do believe the community could solve this IF it is a puzzle. But the first thing we need is an outward acknowledgement by the FDEV team that there is or there is not a puzzle contained within the glyphs and we have all we need to solve it.
I truly believe that is all we would need to solve this, just a confirmation that it does indeed exist and all clues have been given.
Unfortunately they remain silent on this issue and I'm tired. I just want confirmation or to be able to move on. But I can't (personality or mental disorder) move on without a valid resolution.
My last attempt comes out of an odd inspiration of old school 3D glasses, but I have none and I'm about 80% positive nothing will come of it.
While there is no repetition in the cycle. Every glyph unit also activates only once. Which goes to some measure of thought process for something that is just supposed to be for aesthetics.
Also if you devide each glyph and make them into six equal triangles, none of them go back to their full status again except two.
All of these 6 sections also go full on in their active glyph units at some point in their cycle.
No. I don't believe it is fluff. Unfortunately we have too many players who believe it is so, and I just won't be able to solve it alone or with a handful of others who are still making attempts at deciphering the glyphs.
I do believe the community could solve this IF it is a puzzle. But the first thing we need is an outward acknowledgement by the FDEV team that there is or there is not a puzzle contained within the glyphs and we have all we need to solve it.
I truly believe that is all we would need to solve this, just a confirmation that it does indeed exist and all clues have been given.
Unfortunately they remain silent on this issue and I'm tired. I just want confirmation or to be able to move on. But I can't (personality or mental disorder) move on without a valid resolution.
My last attempt comes out of an odd inspiration of old school 3D glasses, but I have none and I'm about 80% positive nothing will come of it.
The red/blue ones? Most craft stores should have colored cellophane or tinted glass that could work.
Well, I think there is a puzzle here too. I'm pretty sure it involves the relic pattern, the relic pillar markings and the obelisk pattern
(simply because it looks very deliberate, and it looks too much like a puzzle not to be one).
The main problem is that there is little to go on beyond brute force hacking.
It's not like when I decoded the Unknown Probe signal content where the signal one got was clearly changing accroding to which body one was orbiting
=> check against the body properties => decoding. Here the signal does not change with sites, so it's hard to try to correlate it to possible relevant variables to figure it out.
And I got burned out too much from elliptic/obscure litterary/mythological clues with the Formidine Rift to go back in this swamp.
If there are clues you think that might be of importance in the files, tell me which and maybe I'll make me think of something new.
Here is what I concluded from the sequence :
1) Likely not text (no repetition)
2) Plays in a loop
3) No obvious match with the relic pattern and pillar pattern. XOR/ANDS/NANDS/OR 'ing do not help.
4) If it's an image, or a schematic, the res is very low => one would have to make prior guess or have a reference to figure it out.
I too do not think it is text. For the randomness in what I guess would be a sentence structure. Thinking of what could be a verifiable solution, you have to think of how WE interact within the world. That is very limited: Shoot, Scan, Pick Up, Observation, Find.
Shooting will not give us an answer though it might have provided a piece of the puzzle in the relic.
Scanning gives us data.
Picking Up assists us in getting data.
Observation has led us to a few things within the ruins such as obelisks correlating to data, and finding more clues.
Finding within the game consists of a location of sort.
For the glyphs themselves if there is a location, it would be in some sort of x,y,z system I reckon. Two challenges with that. One what they considered their zero point, and two their measure of units. As humans we count to 10 and begin "anew" for them it might be different possibly cycling at 8.
The other possible answer to the puzzle could be A) either some sort of admin password to the ruins. Perhaps with each type having their own. Or B) Just a verifiable "picture" that everyone can say... yup that's a rabbit, dog, etc. ie something that is not left to interpretation that maybe has some meaning to the obelisks.
Just another add-on so you know my definitions on stuff. This is part of an ongoing research paper I've been working on.
I. Definitions:
A. Guardian Obelisk Glyphs/Guardian Glyphs/Glyphs – Holographic patterns displayed on the functioning obelisks located throughout the ancient ruins. From this point on to be referred to as just glyphs or by position of the glyph (top (T), middle (M), and bottom (B)).
B. Left/Right Glyph Sides – The partitions of the glyphs detonated by the center vertical break on the glyphs. These identifiers are by an observer’s left or right hand.
C. Glyph Sections – The partition of the glyphs defined by this document, as an even triangular cutoff of the glyphs each containing 6 glyph units. Each glyph section will be identified by the enumeration of 1-6 starting from the top side of the Left Glyph Side, working evenly counter-clockwise until the top of the Right Glyph Side which ends the enumeration at 6.
D. Glyph Units – The individual triangles within the Glyph Sections. Since there is no known value to these, they have been labeled by this document as; A, B, C, D, E, F. It is recommended the reader consider these as variables more than hard labels. As no discerned direction or method has been established by which the Guardian race writes, these will be labeled from the “center” of the glyph “down” and left to right. With down being the direction of which the glyph section goes from the top of the triangle at the “center” of the glyph to the base of the triangle at the “outer” edge of the glyph.
Glyph Unit Identifier – The identifier of an individual glyph unit for ease of tracking, cataloguing, and research. Composed of the letters GU(for glyph unit), glyph position, glyph section, and glyph unit label. GU(T/M/B)(1/2/3/4/5/6)(A/B/C/D/E/F). Example: GUT1A equals Guardian Unit Top Glyph, Section 1, top most triangle unit from center of whole glyph.
Am I right in thinking that all the patterns on all the obelisks in all Guardian sites are the same? as represented here:
https://ixalon.github.io/elitedangerous/
https://ixalon.github.io/elitedangerous/
Looks like the "loading icon" on the mission board to me...
By jingo he's cracked it.
Yes. I verified them in Skaudia. Location does not matter.
Yes you are correct as far as I can tell.
I thought at some point that each pattern in the sequence was the coordinates of a system with a guardian site.
If you take the picture you posted and lay it over the spiral galaxy,
mark the location of the systems with alien ruins is there any correlation?
mark the location of the systems with alien ruins is there any correlation?
As far as I can tell, no. Mainly because the resolution of the glyphs is very low, which means that each triangle is like a few K lyr in size.
I was thinking more along some coordinate encoding, however we have no idea on what the zero, units and coordinate system* would be.
The only positive hint is that the pattern is made of three "blocs/exagons", so it could support the coordinate idea in principle.
*Either carthesian or one of the possible polar choice.
I double checked on the loading icon animation for the BB pre 2.0 and at 2.4,
it has not changed.
But the shape does fit, as does the chevrons there.
Could it be that there is a populated system in the bubble where the loading sequence is
different?
Is there a hint on a location checking the BB?
I personally don't think that this is a puzzle or riddle,
but a hint on where to look for clues.
I'd say check populated systems and the BBs for weird missions.
This is weird, Guardians, Thargoids, conspiracies.
Are the guardians the "club" below our civilization,
using us as a shield, trying to fight their enemies we
know as thargoids?
Desperate measures: someone determined could shot at 3 "stones" around the relic on the tower. On all towers on the same site. Relics should not be touched, they must stay into their position.
The lights on the obelisks are in sync with the relics light (its orientation and elevation - it is verified).
Cannot play now, RL.
The lights on the obelisks are in sync with the relics light (its orientation and elevation - it is verified).
Cannot play now, RL.
It would be nice if Ram Tah piped up and let us know what he's currently working on...
Hint Hint Fdev, Christmas pretty please...
Hint Hint Fdev, Christmas pretty please...