Modes Elite Dangerous - An inside look at BGS PVP (SAW Parody)

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Again - it's the need for control that made a whole mess of both Open and the Powerplay mechanics.

Players weren't happy in not having agency, so some of them deliberately pledged to some Power and went around shooting other members of the same Power for "reasons". Not too many people were particularly fond of that.

Then FD decided to attempt to give the pew-pews some glorious action and delivered unto them CQC. It was supposed to satiate the pew-pews so that they wouldn't bother the general population of the game and incentivise Open, as all the mad-nutter-psych-kill-freaks would all be busy slaughtering each other in the Arena.

It didn't work out that way. I wonder why :D

CQC is not ED
 
CQC is not ED

Sure it is. It's Elite: Dangerous Arena.

It's a bit arcadey for me, I don't really want it on my dashboard but it's part of the game, like it or not. However, you don't have to play it. But not being ED isn't the reason. What is the reason you don't play Algomatic?
 
90'S what are you going to do when all the hot air you've been blowing fades away into the nothingness it is? Sue Fdev for not kowtowing to your "brilliance" and making the game you want and screw the rest of the people who've bought the game for what it really is?
 
So after all this we all agree that the way the modes are designed is working well and as intended and it's ludicrous to opt that content is removed from any of them or made exclusive to one of them?

Well, I'm glad that's settled. We've had a productive discussion people. Well done everyone.

See you next thread! :)
 
CQC is not ED

Yes it is, it is right there as the 4th rank down on your right hand panel. It also opens up a special station for you in the main game that has all modules and 10% off everything.

So Elite: Dangerous Arena (Close Quarter Combat) is as much part of ED as any other type of PvP is. Whether you like it or not is irrelevant.
 
So after all this we all agree that the way the modes are designed is working well and as intended and it's ludicrous to opt that content is removed from any of them or made exclusive to one of them?

Well, I'm glad that's settled. We've had a productive discussion people. Well done everyone.

See you next thread! :)

Far from it. But nice try.

To outfit your ship for open Vs other commanders. You need defenses for the job you're doing. Because the people you are fighting against in a war is based off PVP activities.

Or you can go into solo and private. Strip all defenses. Get 2 times the amount of cargo for transport, Faster travel time, ect. Not have to worry about your adversaries you are at "war" with. While fighting over the same objective.

Removing the need for direct PVP. Which is why the PVP hub was created. Instead of using what Frontier has given us that was meant for direct PVP. If they didnt they wouldnt have went though the trouble to "fudge the crime response" when it comes to powerplay.

The modes have defeated the purpose for what they have intended direct PVP to be for.

Remember you're not arguing my words here people. You're arguing Sandros. All I did was point out where he was right about the modes being unstable, and why its taken away a part of the game that was meant for that type of interaction.

Again, the player base would rather meet up for CG's or go to the PVP hub instead of using powerplay for its intended purposes. What most of the community uses it for is module hopping. Thats it.

The modes created a META where you min/max against others because thats the safest place to be. Maximum jump range to cut time, Maximum Cargo. And you never have to worry about seeing the people you are fighting against. But people are still fighting against each other for objectives.

I prove all that in the video. One of the videos they guy even admits doing it live on stream.

You guys havent shown or given me any information that proves me or Sandro wrong in this regard.

All you guys have is regurgitated information that is tailored to suit your side of the argument. While I have been showing and proving the advantages Solo and Private have over OPEN play.

I dont want them making this same mistake with squadrons. Squadrons are meant for the multiplayer experience. NOT the solo experience.

You yourself specifically said you wouldnt be caught dead in a guild. So none of this concerns you what so ever. You literally have nothing to worry about. The rest of the game would remain the same.
 
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To recap on progress made so far by both sides:

Status-quo, all modes are equal side; Modes have remained unchanged and unrestricted since launch.
Blocking feature has been made robust to allow further customisation of who you meet in any mode.

Change it, it's not fair side; Nothing.
 
To recap on progress made so far by both sides:

Status-quo, all modes are equal side; Modes have remained unchanged and unrestricted since launch.
Blocking feature has been made robust to allow further customisation of who you meet in any mode.

Change it, it's not fair side; Nothing.

Ive literally shown video, explained with experience. And even shown this guy taking advantage of that situation,

[video=youtube;cnYXTh4TCVo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnYXTh4TCVo[/video]

The guy even admits he could be stopped.

To say nothing is a severe understatement. You guys wont be pulling the wool over Fdevs eyes any longer.
 
What purpose did Frontier have in mind for PvP, I can guess and you can guess but neither one of us can 'know', with that simple observation we all have to admit we could be wrong.

I have not seen any ship where i could get 2x the cargo by striping out defences, an improvement yes but 2x of course i am only up to a python.

You repeatedly regurgitate things that tilt things towards your opinions which is human so dont be hypocritical just accept the sides have their best interests in mind.

You repeat a subset of Sandro's words not all of them. But again that is to be expected maybe not who am I.

You see modes as the big bad while others dont. I dont see modes changing too much since they are part of the foundation of the game, I doubt the exact same mistakes will be made with squadrons but then it kind of depends on what you perceive as mistakes.

I truly do hope there are improvements that everyone can enjoy.

The difference between me and everyone else is?

I PROVE IT.

If you are going up against another engineered ship and they are chasing you down. You're going to need a bank or two go along with those prismatics. A slot for module reinforcement and a slot or two for Hull Reinforcement. That removes cargo space. And then we have shield boosters too. Resistance augmented and heavy duty.

So after removing all those items. You'll gain anywhere from 30 to 50 % more ly jump range and speed in normal space. The NPC's are no threat. We all know this. This is a player Vs player environment we are talking about here.

I am using Sandros words. ALL OF THEM, about how the risks are greater in open versus other commanders.

And I am showing why Direct PVP has no meaning in this game because of the mode selection. People are using them because of the META, people that are perfectly capable of PVPing dont. Because thats where you get most of your job done safely against your opponents. While Min Maxing your ship against NPC's instead of other players.
 
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While Min Maxing your ship against NPC's instead of other players.

Why would I want to do that?

I like tootling about in an Asp Explorer, kitted out, strangely enough, for exploration.

Why should I have to fit a flavour-of-the-week build just to please the pew-pews?
 
Why would I want to do that?

I like tootling about in an Asp Explorer, kitted out, strangely enough, for exploration.

Why should I have to fit a flavour-of-the-week build just to please the pew-pews?

Hey you want to come back and die ASAP entering enemy space. Go for it.

Oh wait, you dont have to. Just swap modes right?

However, there are groups like Iridum wing that do escorts. Our group has done it too here and there as well if they thought someone was tailing them. Or they were flying though enemy space.

Im trying to explain you have to build for survival against the people you are fighting against. I am talking about player Vs player activities here.

Ya'll gonna need a new strawman soon. Hes running dry.
 
Naah - Worzel is doing just fine, and the lulzbucket runneth over :D

Thats all you guys have here. Poking and prodding.

Ive been giving builds, clips, proof. And all anyone has done here is attack me for it.

There has been no evidence to prove me wrong. Or Sandro wrong in that matter. Jockys wall of information doesnt even come close.

Sandros Information here, https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=237822&p=3680532&viewfull=1#post3680532

Shows they can do it. Shows and explains the imbalances. And have acknowledged there are differences in risks between those modes.

We are talking about Player Vs player activities here. ALL OF THEM.

Ya'll want to go explore. Please by all means go do it. Engineer? Mine? All that personal progression stuff would remain the same.

The only thing that changes in Influences between groups that are in open. You want to PVP against someone else. Use all of the PVP features and do it with everyone.

Thats why I am here. Showing the disadvantage open holds compared to outfitting your ship for solo and private.

Ya'll ever hear of those "griefers" killing shieldless ships in OPEN at CG's cause people are min maxing for space. Then make a post here or on reddit cause they got killed? Do you ever hear of this happening in solo and private? NOPE

Wake up people.
 
Thats all you guys have here. Poking and prodding.

Ive been giving builds, clips, proof. And all anyone has done here is attack me for it.

Attacking you?

Nope - all we do is just patiently provide links and information relevant to the points you continue to bring up, and refute the baseless claims that you somehow have inside knowledge of some comping mode apocalypse.

All we, as players, can do is wait for FD to deliver updates to our machines, and see what they contain and what gameplay possibilities can be found there. Until such time, everything else is mere speculation, and a tale of sound and fury.
 
Attacking you?

Nope - all we do is just patiently provide links and information relevant to the points you continue to bring up, and refute the baseless claims that you somehow have inside knowledge of some comping mode apocalypse.

All we, as players, can do is wait for FD to deliver updates to our machines, and see what they contain and what gameplay possibilities can be found there. Until such time, everything else is mere speculation, and a tale of sound and fury.

I have no baseless claims here.

IM LITERALLY showing VIDEO of people taking advantage of those modes in PVP situations.

And I am using Sandros words to back that up. His claims are baseless as well? The risk is equal in all modes then?
 
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You are wilfully obtuse by misunderstanding me ; you aren't 'winning' the argument, you have nothing, FD have not given 1 inch on 'all modes are equal'. However, what they have given is strengthening of the block feature so that even in open people can have some control over who they play with. They show NO inclination to accommodate you.
 
I agree. You are certainly using Sandro's words to back that up.

Ah there we go,

I have one for YOU to read. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaslighting

"Gaslighting is a form of manipulation that seeks to sow seeds of doubt in a targeted individual or in members of a targeted group, hoping to make them question their own memory, perception, and sanity. Using persistent denial, misdirection, contradiction, and lying, it attempts to destabilize the target and delegitimize the target's belief.[1][2]"

(see jockeys biased wall of text) It literally starts out as, why some of these things arent possible.

While Sandro has admitted they could do it in the link provided below.

I have proven Sandros words to be correct. All this forum has done is Gaslight this conversation and like you said, willingly ignore the evidence at your feet. ITS IN THE VIDEO FOR CHRISTS SAKE.

Read this again while you're at it, https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=237822&p=3680532&viewfull=1#post3680532

You are wilfully obtuse by misunderstanding me ; you aren't 'winning' the argument, you have nothing, FD have not given 1 inch on 'all modes are equal'. However, what they have given is strengthening of the block feature so that even in open people can have some control over who they play with. They show NO inclination to accommodate you.

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=237822&p=3680532&viewfull=1#post3680532 Read that, Sandro Specifically states the risks are greater. And wanted to boost open around player vs player activities. Powerplay at that time.
 
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